i would find this more credible if it was about Tom Crean
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|6 weeks 6 days ago||Oh yeah, I bet he's fuming.||
Oh yeah, I bet he's fuming. If he can take something as dumb as a stake and make it a huge issue, what can he do with an actual slight to the program?
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Oh man, I wish I could have||
Oh man, I wish I could have seen this thread before now. Hopefully some rational people still exist on this board.
The idea that MSU is trending down is a click-bait fallacy. MSU has never been in a more stable place as a program or athletic department. We are reinvesting all our B1G Ten network money into new facilities, better coaching, and better #branding. You can see that in this past recruiting class, where we had serious interest from places like Florida, Georgia (where we've recruited well recently), Texas, and Arizona.
The idea that Michigan and PSU are going to cause the downfall of MSU is a stretch too. Penn State has was appears to be Brady Hoke 2.0 (great recruiter, terrible O-line, laughable clock management). I'll hold off on being scared of them until I see something other than complete fluke wins. Michigan finally has a coach that can take them back to the top. And I expect them to get there in the near future (probably not 2015). But Michigan being good won't make MSU bad. It will just make Michigan good. Michigan, OSU, and MSU (then maybe PSU) could all be great prorams and it would just make the B1G East a murders row.
If all three are ranked in the top 15 every single year, does that mean that MSU is failing? NO! I'll take a consistent top 15 team pushing for B1G champions every couple years in a heartbeat. I remember John L and Bobby WIlliams. I know what it can be like at the bottom, and a competitive top 15 team is more than okay by me.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||I'd guess the lack of SEC offers is more due to||
I'd guess the lack of SEC offers is more due to geographic reasons than talent ones. That league doesn't need to leave it's region to take flyers on some projects.
Most of the guys listed had tiny offer lists, but a couple of them had UCLA/Oregon/ND, which I would say are good offers for a guy on the west coast to get.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||not sure a 1-3-1 is the best solution, because I||
not sure a 1-3-1 is the best solution, because I think with Dawson/schilling you open up a few lob/easy rebound opportunities. If I'm Michigan I think I'd rather play man and force MSU to win with Dawson/schilling creating their own offense. MSU is a very good passing team, and their shooting against zone defenses has been good this year.
|9 weeks 5 days ago||anyone know what the sat/GPA sliding scale is too||
Anyone know what the sat/GPA sliding scale is to get admitted to a big ten school?
I thought all B1Gs except Northwestern have the same GPA requirements for athletes, is that true or am I making it up?
|10 weeks 3 days ago||not sure playing in the NFL is a prereq for having||
not sure playing in the NFL is a prereq for having "next level talent recognition and development." Just means you have former NFL athletes.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||The rationalization is strong||
The rationalization is strong with this thread.
Injuries aren't a made up excuse. It's like Get Jim Harbough said, when your best guys aren't their best, it hurts your team. Hurt MSU (and Michigan) last year, has hurt both this year.
|15 weeks 6 days ago||Uh, I guess because Stauskas||
Uh, I guess because Stauskas raised his game a ton in college whereas Hardaway was basically similar all three years he was in school.
Hardaway yr 1: 108.8 ORtg, 12% ast rate, 11% TO rate, 48%/36.7%/76.5% 2PT/3PT/FT
Hardaway yr 3: 106.7 ORtg, 13% ast rate, 15% TO rate, 48%/37.4%/69.4% 2PT/3PT/FT
That's not really a ton of improvement (and his role in the offense basically stayed the same). Seems more like just a guy getting older, not exactly better. But my initial rankings was more "just a gut feeling" than this actual analysis.
|16 weeks 18 hours ago||Lil bro||
HOT TAKE ALERT:
Beilein's development has so far only produced two NBA players of note: Burke and Stauskas. LeVert will join those ranks soon enough I think. But GRIII, Mitch were 5 stars who played in college like 5 stars and were drafted like 5 stars, not really any improvement (though we didn't see enough of McGary to know what he could have done). Hardaway is doing what he always did, shooting everything.
1. HOLY CRAP SHANNON BROWN HAS STARTED FOR THE HEAT. That's not a great sign for them. I'm really impressed that he's been in the league for this long. He's a 5 star type player that Izzo let ball.
2. Harris is not in a great situation right now, but he's only 20. I'm hoping he can get some playing time this year and work into the rotation. At 6'2", he'll either need to grow or become a servicable PG.
3. I wouldn't call Richardson an NBA player anymore, he hasn't played in nearly two years. but he was good while he was there.
4. Kalin Lucas is my great "what if?" He was never the same after that torn Achilles, but I'll always root for him.
5. I didn't think Green would be this good of a pro. Here's his stats from Basketball-Reference: 13.3 pts, 6.7 rebs a night in 32 minutes. Started every game for the best team in the league right now. That's a pretty good example of Izzo development. Though Green was always a smart player, he just needed to lose weight and improve athleticism (as much as you can improve something you're born with).
|18 weeks 4 days ago||the minutes||
I don't think the minutes matter as much in Michigan's sytem. If Irvin, LeVert, and Walton can take turns shouldering the offensive load (ie creating shots for themselves and others), that can give the other two a chance to sit in the corner and rest a little. Plus with 4 TV timeouts a half, plus 12 total Timeouts between coaches, you can have a lot of built in rest that doesn't involve taking them off the court.
With Burke/Nik, those guys were playing 35-38 every game and needed to carry the load more than any of these 3 do. I do think getting them to 35 is probably ideal (coach B doesn't like 38-40 either I'd guess), but Beilein has never really shyed away from playing his stars all game.
|19 weeks 4 days ago||MSU has 7 right now, same as UM. OSU is at 4 I||
MSU has 7 right now, same as UM. OSU is at 4 I believe.
MSUs include Jason Richardson, who I don't think has played since 2013
|20 weeks 1 day ago||MSU seems about right||
I think you need to make a "Denzel Valentine explodes in every direction" tag on this site. You'll use it a handful of times this year. I also think MSU could be pretty good defensively, but the offense could struggle in the grind it out B1G.
Wouldn't be suprised if we lost to Purdue like 49-44 or something this year. Also wouldn't be suprised if we beat OSU and maybe Wisconsin. Probably looking at like 11-7 or so in B1G play.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||#BrandonForever||
|21 weeks 6 days ago||though I guess pretty much anyone on Michigan's||
though I guess pretty much anyone on Michigan's defense could start a lot of places, so maybe I'm not giving the D coaches enough credit.
guys like Clark, Morgan, Ryan, I'd take any of them
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Mich and MSU aren't at the same level||
While I agree that Michigan has developed their players to a level that we didn't projected initially, saying that they both develop talent might be a mistake.
Michigan State turn their low recruits into Big Ten and Rose Bowl champs. and are in consideration for the CoFoPo this year.
Michigan turn to their recruits into guys who are starting on a 3-5 team.
So the levels of development aren't really that close
|25 weeks 5 days ago||Zona isn't out yet||
I'm pretty sure MSU wasn't ranked until they were 7-1 last year. Arizona will probably be top 20 next Monday. They probably can't afford a loss though, as I think late losses will stick in the committee member's minds as they decide.
|25 weeks 5 days ago||high school Footbaw!||
that's where I'm at tonight.
|27 weeks 6 days ago||24-21 Utah wins.I actually think M wins, but||
24-21 Utah wins.
I actually think M wins, but just like winning march madness, you gotta make the pick no one else is making.
|28 weeks 6 days ago||no he's right||
Cook won't scramble like Golson does. He does his damage from inside the pocket.
|29 weeks 19 hours ago||better talent should play faster||
the more talented team should play faster. the more possessions you have the more chances you have to score. and if you score more you win. more plays increase the chance that the better team wins.
There was an article on Grantland (I think) about how Roy Williams at UNC wants to go fast because he's got more talent than most teams, whereas Bo Ryan has less and wants to value possessions so that each score has a chance to swing the game.
|29 weeks 5 days ago||Honestly probably 80% of my||
Honestly probably 80% of my decision was based on convienence.
Things I liked about MSU:
- It was close to home
- Most my close friends were going there
- I liked the dorm room setup better
- I could be in my major from the beginning
- I was a State fan growing up
Things I didn't like about Michigan:
- It felt pretty impersonal, I didn't enjoy the tour I took of campus
- I got the impression I couldn't be in the business school as an undergrad (is that even true?)
- I didn't really have any friends going there
I spent a ton of time in A2 my junior and senior years (my wife graduated from Michigan), and I now love a lot of things about Michigan and A2. Charley's is one of my favorite places to go when I'm back in Michigan.
I probably didn't put enough thought into choosing where I was going to school, but I loved my time at MSU and am glad I spent 4 years there.
|29 weeks 5 days ago||I'm a 17%er!!||
|30 weeks 17 hours ago||big loss||
he's probably Michigan's best run defender, and leaving Bolden/Ryan to make the right run decisions is dicey right? I just think back to the MSU game where Langford's TD at the end was helped by Bolden darting inside too early.
|45 weeks 4 days ago||because he can either stay in Europe and get paid,||
because he can either stay in Europe and get paid, or go to Kansas and get paid. Either way, he's not going to Michigan to work for free.
|48 weeks 1 day ago||smaller rotation for sure||
look at how much Nik and Caris played last year, Burke the year before that. those guys all played a lot.
200 min available:
That's 190 min. The remainder goes to dakich et al in blowouts, Caris and Irvin in close games
|50 weeks 6 days ago||would be a cool chant||
makes me think of that new Nike soccer commercial.
I believe in Austin Hatch!
|51 weeks 1 day ago||yeah||
going off Wikipedia:
4 conf players of the year
So yes, being a successful head coach is more than just ncaa tournament success. And Izzo has had his share of success in everything else as well
|51 weeks 1 day ago||counterpoints||
took me a while to come back to this thread, I'll toss some responses here and see what happens.
When you say that michigan was wandering through the wilderness and is now back, MSU and UM dont seem to recruit the same kids. So I don't think a Michigan rise is the death of MSU. In fact, most the kids we've both recruited lately have done elsewhere (Kennard, Booker mainly).
I also think that Izzo's recruiting will pick up the next couple classes. he went all in on the big names and missed out on the middle tier the last two years.
arguing on the bench: nothing new. Payne and Dawson have always been yelling at each other and others. Dawson lit into Gauna a lot this year, but I dont think anyone on this team didn't get along and didn't understand the goals of this team were lofty
|51 weeks 1 day ago||probably Michigan||
MSU won the least important of the three achievements. I think final four is the most important achievement, but Michigan's season was too good to beat.
|51 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah but I think Shannon||
Yeah but I think Shannon Brown is only on 10 day contracts, so I referenced someone who I'm pretty sure is guaranteed. All this is on my phone, so I'm going off memory.
And I see you're right about Payne's first year. I guess during our elite eight game when the announcers said we'd been to three straight S16's, they included the current one. (I try to block out that season anyways, too frustrating haha)