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|1 week 4 days ago||The rationalization is strong||
The rationalization is strong with this thread.
Injuries aren't a made up excuse. It's like Get Jim Harbough said, when your best guys aren't their best, it hurts your team. Hurt MSU (and Michigan) last year, has hurt both this year.
|1 week 4 days ago||Uh, I guess because Stauskas||
Uh, I guess because Stauskas raised his game a ton in college whereas Hardaway was basically similar all three years he was in school.
Hardaway yr 1: 108.8 ORtg, 12% ast rate, 11% TO rate, 48%/36.7%/76.5% 2PT/3PT/FT
Hardaway yr 3: 106.7 ORtg, 13% ast rate, 15% TO rate, 48%/37.4%/69.4% 2PT/3PT/FT
That's not really a ton of improvement (and his role in the offense basically stayed the same). Seems more like just a guy getting older, not exactly better. But my initial rankings was more "just a gut feeling" than this actual analysis.
|1 week 5 days ago||Lil bro||
HOT TAKE ALERT:
Beilein's development has so far only produced two NBA players of note: Burke and Stauskas. LeVert will join those ranks soon enough I think. But GRIII, Mitch were 5 stars who played in college like 5 stars and were drafted like 5 stars, not really any improvement (though we didn't see enough of McGary to know what he could have done). Hardaway is doing what he always did, shooting everything.
1. HOLY CRAP SHANNON BROWN HAS STARTED FOR THE HEAT. That's not a great sign for them. I'm really impressed that he's been in the league for this long. He's a 5 star type player that Izzo let ball.
2. Harris is not in a great situation right now, but he's only 20. I'm hoping he can get some playing time this year and work into the rotation. At 6'2", he'll either need to grow or become a servicable PG.
3. I wouldn't call Richardson an NBA player anymore, he hasn't played in nearly two years. but he was good while he was there.
4. Kalin Lucas is my great "what if?" He was never the same after that torn Achilles, but I'll always root for him.
5. I didn't think Green would be this good of a pro. Here's his stats from Basketball-Reference: 13.3 pts, 6.7 rebs a night in 32 minutes. Started every game for the best team in the league right now. That's a pretty good example of Izzo development. Though Green was always a smart player, he just needed to lose weight and improve athleticism (as much as you can improve something you're born with).
|4 weeks 2 days ago||the minutes||
I don't think the minutes matter as much in Michigan's sytem. If Irvin, LeVert, and Walton can take turns shouldering the offensive load (ie creating shots for themselves and others), that can give the other two a chance to sit in the corner and rest a little. Plus with 4 TV timeouts a half, plus 12 total Timeouts between coaches, you can have a lot of built in rest that doesn't involve taking them off the court.
With Burke/Nik, those guys were playing 35-38 every game and needed to carry the load more than any of these 3 do. I do think getting them to 35 is probably ideal (coach B doesn't like 38-40 either I'd guess), but Beilein has never really shyed away from playing his stars all game.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||MSU has 7 right now, same as UM. OSU is at 4 I||
MSU has 7 right now, same as UM. OSU is at 4 I believe.
MSUs include Jason Richardson, who I don't think has played since 2013
|6 weeks 40 min ago||MSU seems about right||
I think you need to make a "Denzel Valentine explodes in every direction" tag on this site. You'll use it a handful of times this year. I also think MSU could be pretty good defensively, but the offense could struggle in the grind it out B1G.
Wouldn't be suprised if we lost to Purdue like 49-44 or something this year. Also wouldn't be suprised if we beat OSU and maybe Wisconsin. Probably looking at like 11-7 or so in B1G play.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||#BrandonForever||
|7 weeks 4 days ago||though I guess pretty much anyone on Michigan's||
though I guess pretty much anyone on Michigan's defense could start a lot of places, so maybe I'm not giving the D coaches enough credit.
guys like Clark, Morgan, Ryan, I'd take any of them
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Mich and MSU aren't at the same level||
While I agree that Michigan has developed their players to a level that we didn't projected initially, saying that they both develop talent might be a mistake.
Michigan State turn their low recruits into Big Ten and Rose Bowl champs. and are in consideration for the CoFoPo this year.
Michigan turn to their recruits into guys who are starting on a 3-5 team.
So the levels of development aren't really that close
|11 weeks 3 days ago||Zona isn't out yet||
I'm pretty sure MSU wasn't ranked until they were 7-1 last year. Arizona will probably be top 20 next Monday. They probably can't afford a loss though, as I think late losses will stick in the committee member's minds as they decide.
|11 weeks 3 days ago||high school Footbaw!||
that's where I'm at tonight.
|13 weeks 4 days ago||24-21 Utah wins.I actually think M wins, but||
24-21 Utah wins.
I actually think M wins, but just like winning march madness, you gotta make the pick no one else is making.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||no he's right||
Cook won't scramble like Golson does. He does his damage from inside the pocket.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||better talent should play faster||
the more talented team should play faster. the more possessions you have the more chances you have to score. and if you score more you win. more plays increase the chance that the better team wins.
There was an article on Grantland (I think) about how Roy Williams at UNC wants to go fast because he's got more talent than most teams, whereas Bo Ryan has less and wants to value possessions so that each score has a chance to swing the game.
|15 weeks 4 days ago||Honestly probably 80% of my||
Honestly probably 80% of my decision was based on convienence.
Things I liked about MSU:
- It was close to home
- Most my close friends were going there
- I liked the dorm room setup better
- I could be in my major from the beginning
- I was a State fan growing up
Things I didn't like about Michigan:
- It felt pretty impersonal, I didn't enjoy the tour I took of campus
- I got the impression I couldn't be in the business school as an undergrad (is that even true?)
- I didn't really have any friends going there
I spent a ton of time in A2 my junior and senior years (my wife graduated from Michigan), and I now love a lot of things about Michigan and A2. Charley's is one of my favorite places to go when I'm back in Michigan.
I probably didn't put enough thought into choosing where I was going to school, but I loved my time at MSU and am glad I spent 4 years there.
|15 weeks 4 days ago||I'm a 17%er!!||
|15 weeks 5 days ago||big loss||
he's probably Michigan's best run defender, and leaving Bolden/Ryan to make the right run decisions is dicey right? I just think back to the MSU game where Langford's TD at the end was helped by Bolden darting inside too early.
|31 weeks 3 days ago||because he can either stay in Europe and get paid,||
because he can either stay in Europe and get paid, or go to Kansas and get paid. Either way, he's not going to Michigan to work for free.
|33 weeks 6 days ago||smaller rotation for sure||
look at how much Nik and Caris played last year, Burke the year before that. those guys all played a lot.
200 min available:
That's 190 min. The remainder goes to dakich et al in blowouts, Caris and Irvin in close games
|36 weeks 4 days ago||would be a cool chant||
makes me think of that new Nike soccer commercial.
I believe in Austin Hatch!
|36 weeks 6 days ago||yeah||
going off Wikipedia:
4 conf players of the year
So yes, being a successful head coach is more than just ncaa tournament success. And Izzo has had his share of success in everything else as well
|36 weeks 6 days ago||counterpoints||
took me a while to come back to this thread, I'll toss some responses here and see what happens.
When you say that michigan was wandering through the wilderness and is now back, MSU and UM dont seem to recruit the same kids. So I don't think a Michigan rise is the death of MSU. In fact, most the kids we've both recruited lately have done elsewhere (Kennard, Booker mainly).
I also think that Izzo's recruiting will pick up the next couple classes. he went all in on the big names and missed out on the middle tier the last two years.
arguing on the bench: nothing new. Payne and Dawson have always been yelling at each other and others. Dawson lit into Gauna a lot this year, but I dont think anyone on this team didn't get along and didn't understand the goals of this team were lofty
|36 weeks 6 days ago||probably Michigan||
MSU won the least important of the three achievements. I think final four is the most important achievement, but Michigan's season was too good to beat.
|37 weeks 3 days ago||Yeah but I think Shannon||
Yeah but I think Shannon Brown is only on 10 day contracts, so I referenced someone who I'm pretty sure is guaranteed. All this is on my phone, so I'm going off memory.
And I see you're right about Payne's first year. I guess during our elite eight game when the announcers said we'd been to three straight S16's, they included the current one. (I try to block out that season anyways, too frustrating haha)
|37 weeks 3 days ago||big fan of the mgoblog...||
But I'm not really buying the narrative most posters on here are selling.
The idea that Izzo is more insufferable now is less a product of him changing than it is of Michigan fans actually caring about basketball for the first time in his tenure at MSU.
Izzo took a decent but inconsistent MSU program to one of the 5-10 best in the country year in year out. Up until 5 days ago he had one of the most improbable streaks in college bball. Was some of it luck? Yeah. But your final four run last year had some breaks too, that's the nature of the tourney. Msu went S16, S16, S16, E8 the last four years, a stretch only matched/exceeded by Florida (probably, I'm not fact checking as I type this). In that time, Michigan has gone R32, R64, Champ game, E8. Duke's gone LOL. Most programs would kill for the consistency Izzo has brought to MSU.
Now there are a couple good points in the post about early entrants/NBA players. Not a lot of guys are there from the last few years. But Alan Anderson is cashing checks right now, and I think Kalin Lucas would have gone early had he not torn his Achilles (looking at me, still talking injuries haha).
Next year MSU loses a lot of scoring from this team, but I still think they can be top 4-5 in the conference. Its gonna have to be an Izzo team of old though.