Jaylen Brown possibly down to Cal/Michigan
If JB lands him we will make a very deep run in the tourney!
*sigh* Have an upvote.
JB also happens to be the initials for "Jaylen Brown." Coincidence? I think not.
You're talking about definite redshirts for MAAR and Wagner just based off the fact that we're not playing more than 10 guys.
Walton/Albrecht
LeVert/Dawkins
Brown/Robinson
Irvin/Chatman
Doyle/Wilson
Oooh wee!!! Put it in the air (air) (air)!!
Personally, my hope is that Robinson can defend the 4 well enough to start there. Walton/Caris/Irvin/Robinson/Doyle would be an ideal first unit, IMO (shooters putting crazy pressure on opposing defenses), with Spike/Brown or Williams or MAAR/Dawkins/Wilson in the second with the best of Donnal/Wagner/Chatman as your second guy in at the 4. That would also comply with Beilein's stated goal (a goal evidenced by recent recruiting moves as well) to get bigger/stronger as a team.
Obviously you would have a ton of flexibility and could adjust the lineup in many ways big or small (play Walton and Spike together, play Caris at the point, drop Brown to the 4 if he can defend/rebound at that spot) as match-ups dictate.
Regardless, next year is going to be a lot of fun to watch.
Caris is a consensus first round pick. Irvin was rated very highly as well (top-25 IIRC) and just put up 14+ ppg in actual D-1 basketball and has been in the system for 2 years. Brown does not start over those guys coming straight from high school, IMO. And if he joins them it means Walton and Spike are on the bench (kind of awkward) or we are playing a 6'6" guy at PF again. I don't think Beilein wants that. He also values shooters, so I think elite ones like Dawkins (a guy who put up double digit points in 8 B1G games) and Robinson are going to have every opportunity to grab minutes (Irvin wins that comparison as well).
Can we stop acting like recruiting rankings are a direct reflection of a player's ability/value, especially after what we've seen on the gridiron the last few years? I would love to have Brown in the mix, but a lot of his success on the offensive end comes from driving at opponents. How often would he get to do that with Walton/Spike and Caris operating as very effective ball-handlers? Or do you really think Caris came back to sit on the bench? And how would a player like that impact the entire system Beilein is trying to run (and has run to great success here)?
isn't taking a red shirt either, he was a starter last year, that would be nearly unprecedented. If we are still tracking both Williams and Brown and Brown has us in his final two, somebody is transfering, maybe more than one person.
I read somewhere that Spike may take a redshirt because of the hip surgeries. That makes more sence to me.
that still takes up a schollie, he would have to take a medical waiver and never play again to not take up a scholarship
Honestly, if you can find a mock draft that doesn't have him going in the first round this year or next year it would be the first I have seen.
He was in everyones 1st round, albeit a late first rounder.
The worry was that he could fall into the second round given the status of his foot.
and he's not going to commit to Michigan if he's not going to start at Michigan. He's projected as a #1 or #2 overall pick in the NBA draft. He will start.
find out who is right in the great "Would Jaylen Brown Start?" debate.
give you two upvotes if I could.
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going to start at Michigan." That might be the biggest obstacle we have in getting him to come here. Beilein doesn't promise things like that. Other coaches will and do. Also, I don't know that Cal has as crowded of a roster as we do. Still, IMO, his talent would rise to the top if he came here and he would have a much better chance to get to the Final Four than if he went to Cal.
April 22nd, 2015 at 11:13 AM ^
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April 22nd, 2015 at 12:09 PM ^
that this is JB dipping his toe in the one and done waters. He got cleaned out after the 2013-14 season. He is going to have to and is adjusting the way he views recruiting.
April 21st, 2015 at 10:03 PM ^
The 2, 3, and 4 are basically the same position in Beilein's system. The rebounding duties are spread out amongst the team. That's why Derrick Walton averaged so many rebounds his freshman year. The 4 in Beilein's system doesn't have to be big or powerful. Jaylen brown can play any of the wing spots.
The word on Robinson is that he's mostly just a shooter right now. The chances he starts are slim. There are 4 gauranteed starters right now barring something interesting happening over the summer.
Walton, LeVert, Irvin, Doyle
Wagner is a bit raw and might require some seasoning before he gets major minutes and Dawkins is a project on the defensive end of the floor. Jaylen Brown is a top five recruit. He has been projected to be a one-and-done player and a high draft pick before he has stepped on a college court. The chances he doesn't start for ANY college team are remote.
The fact that this is a discussion in this thread (or at all) annoys me. His playing time is not what this thread is about.
April 21st, 2015 at 11:36 PM ^
People have mocked Jaylen Brown as the overall number 1 pick next year in the draft. That probably means, depending on he plays in practice, could start over caris next year. Also you could easily start both and displace someone else
the starting line up would be
PG: Walton
SG: LeVert
SF: Brown
PF: Irvin
C: Doyle
April 21st, 2015 at 10:25 PM ^
Walton was standing in front of me at an AAU tournament this weekend sporting his Michigan garb. He sure isnt a big guy, 6'0". He was watching his little brother and doing a little recruiting for 2016. Walton should have a big impact coming back. Jaylen Brown would be an unbelievable addition.
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Then you would be choosing unwisely. Unless JB (NTJB) is not what he is cracked up to be, that looks like the lineup. And a tasty one at that!
Actualy he has the starters 99% correct. Not the 2 deep though.
Lets how things play out before we go definite on anybody's RS. The odds of Wagner red-shirting are very slim. I think it's more likely that Chatman red-shirts than Wagner given his circumstances and soph redshirts are very rare. MAAR has little to gain from sitting the year out when he can help the team right now, even in a limited role.
Walton/Albrecht/
LeVert/MAAR/
Irvin/Robinson/Chatman/
Brown/Dawkins/Wagner/
Doyle/Wilson/Donnal
Michigan would go with a core rotation of 8 (with the primary backups being Spike, Dawkins and Wilson/Donnal) plus whoever wins the scrum between Robinson,Chatman, and Wagner for backup wing minutes. But MAAR's going to have a role almost regardless as a late half defensive stopper as will Donnal (center depth) when foul trouble strikes or matchups warrant. PG and C are two spots where you need more than 2 guys, whereas the wings are somewhat interchangeable.
But we're getting ahead of ourselves...
Been mentioned elsewhere that Spike may redshift,if not fully healthy.I think this will happen and if Williams commits takes his minutes as backup to Walton.Donnal either redshirts or transfers.
April 22nd, 2015 at 12:13 PM ^
Given foul trouble, fatigue, etc. Michigan needs a third center. Especially considering we don't know how good Wilson is yet, and if he can handle the physicality of the position.
Williams would be a great addition, but the above assumes they add Brown. It's one or the other. I really doubt Williams is coming unless Spike is red-shirting, and I don't think that decision has been made (nor is it likely IMO).
He already redshirted. Can't do it twice
April 21st, 2015 at 10:42 PM ^
MAAR is already 1 1/2 years older than Chatman.--he's old for his grade. I don't see a red-shirt there. And there is absolutely no chance that Wagner comes over from Europe to red-shirt. He'd just stay there. Further, red-shirting just limits the number of players we can add in the next few years--particularly with two big men already committed.
April 21st, 2015 at 11:07 PM ^
Funny, I thought Duke beat Wisconsin who beat Kentucky, not the other way around.
Talent wins championships. LeBron didn't have much depth to help him in Miami, nor did MJ in Chicago. The only teams with depth that have won the NBA recently are the Spurs and Pistons. College games are 40 minutes long and have numerous timeouts to rest players. Health is more important than depth.
April 21st, 2015 at 11:20 PM ^
is that you look at Kentucky (who was loaded with C's) and no one had an issue with depth, yet when we get depth all everyone talks about is "where is the playing time going to come from?" Who CARES!! Get the talent in and let the coach sort out the rest.
Booked my hotel for Houston today after Caris' announcement. Last time I did it this early, I went to Atlanta.
I love your posts. You think like me. We are twins.
No way he is coming to Michigan.
Four months ago I also convinced myself that Harbaugh is not coming to Michigan because Oakland is still in play.
The smaller the expectation the lesser the disappointment I guess.
I'm telling ya'll Michigan is truly a contender...and if Cal is the other finalist instead of Kentucky, and even though Cal has a good class coming in, I like Michigan's chances!!!
What if it is coach Cal?
I'm sure Coach Cal can get one of those girl tour guides to lick Brown's car door too.
HA!
...I'd be happiest losing out to Cal if Michigan isn't going to get him. You couldn't say the young man was blowing smoke when he said he cared about academics. And based on the few interviews I've seen him give, my guess is that he does. My impression is that he's a thoughtful kid.