When will a Big Ten team win a college basketball championship?
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Never until B10 conference games are officiated like the rest of the conferences in the nation. (less physical)
Until then B10 teams will keep getting jobbed by foreign conference refs.
But to answer your question: Under b/c Michigan will win one with this current batch of freshmen :)
College basketball officials don't work by conference. Other conferences have had to deal with TV Teddy and the rest also. In any event, the B1G has no problem getting teams into the Final Four, so tournament officiating as a whole doesn't seem to be an issue.
That said, Michigan and Wisconsin did get a pretty crappy whistle in the '13 and '15 title games.
Hell, I wish the other conferences were as physical as us, but thats not realistic. Then again, I grew up imitating a wrecking ball in middle school, accounting for half the team fouls and trampling four-footers on fast breaks.
Under. The conference is probably the strongest it's been in a while and only the ACC is on par. SEC is dominated by UK, Big 12 by KU, Pac 12 by Arizona and the Big East isn't close to what it once was. The Big Ten has great balance. Keep sending a team (s) to the Final Four and one will work out.
that B1G is the strongest it has been when this year is the weakest it has been in 5 years. They're at best 4th best conference in the country. Don't let the NCAA tournament with 2 B1G in Final Four to validate your statement because it's a with one and done format that encourages randomness.
Last season is the strongest B1G conference that is head and shoulders above every other conference. There were about 7 teams who are in the top 25 with 2 other teams in the top 50.
msu and wisconsin look like they'll be worse. is osu gonna improve that much? michigan could be good but there are a lot of question marks. indiana?
Well as long as Izzo is there, how much worse is State really going to be? They will lose Trice and Dawson for sure, but there are already guys that slotted in for them. Unless they lose someone to the draft (Valentine?) which I don't see happening.
Michigan will be better and will be a tournament team. I think without a big leap from either Levert (if he stays), Walton or a Jaylen Brown type, we won't distance from the pack...but we'll push teams along. Agreed about Wisky but who knows maybe they can retain Dekker (think he'll be middle-first, maybe lottery now) and Hayes. Maryland will be solid again. Maybe IU or Illinois can break through.
That there are 3-4 potential teams to win I think speaks to the strength of the conference along with how many good coaches there are. Pac 12, it's Arizona's to lose (I guess you could argue UCLA). SEC clearly Kentucky. The Big 12 is a little more open but Kansas rules it.
IU will not break through as long as the asshat that currently runs their program is still there.
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Not Wisconsin. If Dekker leaves for the draft (which sounds likely) they lose everybody.
Bo Ryan is a good coach, but this will be the least talented team they've had in a while.
If Jake Layman comes back, and he should, Maryland is probably a top 5 team next year. MSU also has eron harris and Mcdonalds all american coming in plus a guy Beilein wanted, have to assume they will be top 20. Who does Indiana lose? Conference will be better next year.
Yeah, you nailed it. I think the coming season sure, but also the next few years, the conference is going to be very competitive. Some of the best coaches in the country and even the poor programs can be competitive too, which keeps raising the ceiling for the good teams. Next year should have many more contenders.
The ACC is a given but what are the other two that were stronger this year?
It was a down year for the Big Ten for sure, MSU either underachieved all year or was mediocre and turned it on for two weekends. Wisconsin was good the whole year. Maryland was fairly good. The middle of the pack didn't challenge Wisconsin as much as the pack has challenged the good teams in the past whether Michigan, IU, OSU or MSU in recent memory.
I think the down year was exaggerated on the national level. The ACC was definitely the best this year but the Big Ten has been right there with the ACC the last five years or so. Now that the Big East is a shadow of itself these are the two most competitive leagues and aside from the blue blood programs in the other leagues, more good players are going to wind up playing in the Big Ten.
1. Big 12 - There's Kansas as the top dog who is right up there with Wisconsin. But they have 6 teams who are considered to be top 25 quality teams.
2. ACC - You have Duke, UNC, ND, Louisville. They're all better than the 2nd best team in B1G.
3. Big East - You have Nova who is just as good as Wisconsin. Butler, Georgetown, Xavier, and Providence are all quality teams who are just as good as Maryland and MSU.
4. B1G - Wisconsin is the top dog. Maryland is a tad bit overrated but still a quality team. MSU, OSU and Iowa are quality teams. There are big drop off after Iowa IMO.
5. SEC
6. Pac 12
Interesting that you put Big 12 that high. I guess none of those teams really scare me besides Kansas, ISU and WVU (I actually thought WVU would give UK some trouble so take every think I say with about two cupfuls of Morton's.) I thought it was pretty telling that MSU was actually favored against Oklahoma in the Sweet 16. To me the ACC was far superior to any league this year (UVa having a banner year helped as well).
My argument against the Big East wasn't really as much this year as it is the removal of Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt etc that used to be the blue bloods of that conference. Nova was a great team this year but they still bowed out to NC State in a game that wasn't that surprising. I don't think they were as good as Wisconsin. Butler was the only other team of those ones that I think you plop in the Big Ten, they are a good bet to contend in the league.
has a lot of talent so it wasn't surprising that they upset Nova. Nova is a legit 1 seed who happen to lose to a very talented NC State. Nova was great all year.
The NCAA tournament results do not agree with your list.
doesn't reflect the strength of conference because of the randomness of one and one format. Over the season, Big 12 is a lot better than B1G
Kansas was not an elite team this year. Neither was Nova. ACC was the strongest, Big 10 second.
2nd best B1G team aren't top 25 good and the bottom of B1G sucks.
just because 6 years is a lot. But it will be hard to get past of the Kentucky and Kansas types. MSU and M have good shots if they can retain and develop their talent. I think Wisconsin is watching their prime pass them by. Maryland will be a force.
at least one big man to play at the level of junior-season jordan morgan. quite frankly i don't see that happening.
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Next year. Michigan. After we land Jaylen Brown. Says the optimist.
Edit: This isn't just me talking. Another, Michigan related Jalen has brought this up in a podcast.
Under when Michigan wins next year.
When they're playing someone other than Duke or Kentucky on the way there.
Not until they shoot more FT than the opponent in the Final Four. Refs hate the Big 10. Truth.
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Over, because other than maybe OSU, the programs in this conference don't seem particularly sleazy and consequently have a hard time landing the one-and-dones that frequently put championship teams over the top. We regularly make the title game but are usually the underdog.
gets players in any particularly sleazy way? just curious
There's been a lot of rumblings over the years about their recrutiing practices not being on the up-and-up, going back to when they landed Elton Brand and Corey Maggette.
Maybe, maybe not ...
I can certainly understand why (for example) Shane Battier would want to pick Duke in the late '90s.
When a Chicago AAU specimen (no names) who's more of a "play school" type goes there, I start wondering.
I really *do* wonder why the Chicago HS and AAU types play ball with Bill Self and Coach K. I have no evidence that anything wrong is going on, but I still wonder.
Aside: Coach K's success is a little more painful because it has -- in the form of some key players -- come at the expense of Big Ten schools. (Other conferences can obviously say that to some degree, too.)
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UNDER!! Wiscy just proved the one and dones can be done before the ONE game that matters...Duke waited 5 years between NAT Champs and that seems like more than enough time for my WOLVERINES to get er done!!!!!!! In fact, here is a direct quote from the future post-script of that Championship win in the near future: "That's right Baby (in the voice of you know who), the Wolverines, and Mr. John Beilein, have shown the world that you can play the game right, take care of your kids, and STILL bring home the Trophy!!!"
Relax...in the future, they are still called the Wolverines...
WAT?
Michigan. Duh.
I mean c'mon what kind of question is this?
Well it would help if the Big Ten actually got more than 2 teams past the first weekend. If you get 7 teams in the tourney but only 2 teams win multiple games doesn't mean your conference is strong. Having a team get a favorable run to the Final Four only to lose doesn't mean your conference is strong. I think the Big Ten is overrated every year. The year Indiana was easily the best team in the Big Ten and got dicked by a double digit loss Syracuse team in the Sweet 16 cemented that notion for me.
The year Indiana was easily the best team in the Big Ten and got dicked by a double digit loss Syracuse team in the Sweet 16 cemented that notion for me.
You mean two years ago, when we were a missed layup away from tying that IU team for the league title, and then went on to beat that Syracuse team en route to the title game? Not sure how IU was "easily the best."
Tom Crean just didn't know how to beat a 2-3 zone.
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FFS, we had two in the Final Four this year and 3 in the Elite 8 two years ago. There's been a Big Ten team in the Final four 7 or 8 of the last 10 Final Fours.
This isn't a foul
As long as the player in the other uni is coached by a Pitino or a Krzyzewski, that will always be a foul.
Fouls in basketball are for shit. Everything is a foul and at the same time nothing is.
Refs call what they expect to see. Offensive players launch themselves wildly into the nearest defender. Face slaps are not called flagrant two fouls, or even just a plain old foul do that matter.
Too infuriating to even watch anymore. Basketball has been dead to me for years.