OT: So Anyone Listen to Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp a Butterfly Yet?

Submitted by OccaM on

Saw a thread here about Tetsuo & Youth awhile ago, so I figured why not one for To Pimp a Butterfly. 

I was convinced Tetsuo & Youth was going to be the best rap/hiphop album of the year given Lupe's return to form, but holy shit did K.Dot make a masterpiece here. 

I didn't think he was going to be able top Section.80 (his best imo) and GKMC with his 3rd album but wow... this is a great blend of various musical styles, lyrics and storytelling all while being different from his prior 2 go arounds. I don't think this is even comparable to his first 2 albums. It's that different. 

Not many of the songs will stand out much after the first listen, but I think that was done by design to deviate away from his other 2 albums and standard post 2010 hip hop albums. It is a very subliminal album, and I would have a hard time picking out songs that shouldn't be on there. 

The bar has been raised for creativity. 

What did you all think?

Edit:

For all the people that don't know what I'm talking about or don't get the lingo... Rapper Kendrick Lamar or K.Dot recently released a critically acclaimed album. Thus, I wanted to know what hip hop heads on the board think of it compared to his prior work and to 2015's other great release by another rapper Lupe Fiasco named Tetsuo & Youth. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Pimp_a_Butterfly

Here's his Grammy winning single from it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aShfolR6w8

wolverineforlife16

March 18th, 2015 at 9:45 PM ^

Kendrick is the best out right now and this is a great album. However, his collab album with J.Cole is going to blow this one out of the water. Cole is the only one worthy of challenging Kendrick's status as the best. Those two together are going to be simply incredible.

gmoney41

March 19th, 2015 at 12:12 PM ^

You guys must be really young, because I am laughing very hard at the opinion that Kanye is a legend and Kendrick and J Cole are the best of today.  Kanye's best years are far behind him, and his best years are nowhere close to legendary.  I wouldn't put Kanye in my top 100 mc's of all time.  I can give him props on production, but I wouldn't put him in my top 25 producers category either.  J Cole had one good album in his last one, and Kendrick is dope but nowhere near legend status.  The hyperbole around here can be laughable at times.

Mr. Yost

March 22nd, 2015 at 7:23 PM ^

...is even more laughable.

The man has had 3 classic albums. Love him, hate him. Whether you think he's relevant today or not. It is a fact, he's had 3 classic albums.

That's more than The Notorious BIG. Is he better than BIG? Fuck no. But having 3 classic albums or at least 2 if you don't consider Late Registration in that group is one hell of a feat.

MichiganMan14

March 18th, 2015 at 9:46 PM ^

None of the other tracks really move the needle for me. Definitely not an album for radio play and you will likely not hear any of this album in any nightclub setting.

Lucky Socks

March 18th, 2015 at 9:50 PM ^

I gave it one quick run through and no songs jumped out at me as certified "5 stars" in my book.  GKMC had several - Don't Kill My Vibe, Money Trees, Swimming Pools, & The Art of Peer Pressure were immediately favorites.  Beyond that, GKMC's other songs grew on me as I appreciated the artistry and story telling.

Like I said, just one run through.  So I'm sure it'll grow on me as I'm able to "listen" more to it.  But I didn't get that love at first listen that I've had with his other projects.  I'm a longtime fan and looking forward to diving deeper into this project.

 

gmoney41

March 19th, 2015 at 12:21 PM ^

Ughh, a cypher with dudes spitting memorized written rhymes, oh wow.  LOL, those cyphers are lame.  What happened to dudes like Freestyle Fellowship and Supernatural, they were true freestylers, off the top of the dome, and spit way better than these dudes.

jdon

March 18th, 2015 at 10:34 PM ^

only listened to it twice through but I dig it.

its refreshing and feels good.

jdon

 

ps.  a good rap album is like a fine woman, you get attracted to a few highlights but as you keep listening you just get overwhelmed by how flawless the album is...  I feel like the onlly 'flaw' I've found so far is the repetitive use of the 'n-bomb', and I get why he is using it but I also think the word can be so offensive that on times it detracts from from the experience... idk, maybe its just me...

go16blue

March 18th, 2015 at 10:16 PM ^

It's an amazing album. GKMC was, for me at least, one of the all-time greats, and I wouldn't quite say the same thing about Butterfly (yet anyway). But it's still amazing. "u" had me in tears. Hearing Pac on the outro made my jaw drop. I'm just gonna repost my reddit comment on the subject:

It really is an immensely dense album. Unlike GKMC it doesn't really have one unifying theme, but many - black culture, self esteem, the "pimping" of rap artists and black culture generally by America.... If I had one bone to pick it would be that the meaning is so convoluted at times that it doesn't always land as well as I feel it should. There are some songs like u (Kendrick's best in my opinion) and Blacker the Berry that are just so raw and emotional, they're incredible. But there are others on the album that left me somewhat underwhelmed, if only because they were so difficult to decipher. This isn't necessarily a bad thing - having more to digest can be good too - but it does detract from the overall feel at times and for me it's the difference between a 9/10 and a 10/10.

Qmatic

March 18th, 2015 at 10:31 PM ^

Great album. I put it above GKMC but below Section.80 personally. Kendrick is a very, very good artist. His artistry though, in my opinion, is a bit overrated by the mainstream hip hop heads. No one ever wants to speak out against him, even when he has some pretty weak guest verses, and several songs on the album that don't really stand out/have any replay album (even in the context of the album).

I expect So Help Me God to be a better album; I will be shocked if it isn't to be honest. Lyrically Kendrick is very good, but he is no Jay Electronica or anything by any means.

taistreetsmyhero

March 18th, 2015 at 10:52 PM ^

He's following the route of Nas, getting way more political...which is great and all, but it's no longer West Coast. There are no bangable songs. It's more like some underground stuff I would listen to in middle school when I wanted to feel deep. My middle school angsty self would love "u."

Do like the demicrypts and rebloodicans line. Hood politics is a solid song. King Kunta is a solid beat.

The blacker the berry...I dunno. The more times you call yourself a hypocrite, the less I feel like your hatred and passion is earnest.

My friend summarized my feelings: "I am trying to learn to like Kendrick but he's very kente cloth and essential oils."

Danwillhor

March 18th, 2015 at 11:54 PM ^

and it's a very good album. I like all genres but loathe gangster rap, bling rap, etc. I'm more of a legit hip-hop guy (Mos Def, Kweli, etc) so it's great that most rap out now is in that mold to a large extent. People have termed it "hipster hop" (which I guess is like anothers genre's "indie" even if on a major label) but I just call it hip-hop. I like it but I'll admit that I didn't buy it. I downloaded it while I could download Sifjan Stevens new record but bought it. I like him enough to buy his albums. I'm not a big enough Kendrick fan to buy his music yet. I'd pay to see him but not drop $10 on an album. I'm a bad person.

gmoney41

March 19th, 2015 at 11:46 AM ^

Most gangster rap is so over the top, but Above the Law, Dj Quik, early 90's Dre, South Central Cartel, Spice 1 is pretty legit rap to me with far far better production than what is out today.  I used to really like Mos Def and Kweli but their music is very dull and boring nowadays.  

Sinsemillaplease

March 19th, 2015 at 1:30 AM ^

but that's about all I can say so far. I feel like I need to hear it a few more times.... which puts it a definite notch below gkmc. First time you hear that album you know what you're hearing.... a fucking masterpiece. Honestly, I dig Big Sean's new album the most of any hip hop albums I've heard this year... but it's only March and House and Techno take up most of my listening time. I've been told I need to check out Joey Badass' new joint and this is the first I'm hearing of Lupe having something new.

ken725

March 19th, 2015 at 4:13 AM ^

I thought it was a very good album. I think this is just a step above Section 80. I didn't think GKMC was that good.

I know there are lots of Lupe fans here, but I thought Tetsuo & youth was bad.

B4Da$$ is my favorite release this year.

kevin holt

March 19th, 2015 at 8:09 AM ^

I love concept albums and I loved GKMC more and more over time. So I don't think I want to say for sure just yet (and I've only listened to about half so far). I love the message though. Ask me in a year?

gmoney41

March 19th, 2015 at 11:21 AM ^

I think I am just getting old.  As a hip hop head from 83-present, the last 5-10 years have been less than stellar.  The genre has become very redundant and unoriginal.  I appreciate guys like Kendrick Lamar and Lupe Fiasco because they seem to do their own thing and they do it in a way that is original.  With that being said, the biggest issue I have with both artists is production.  While I enjoyed Lupe's latest, I was incredibly dissapointed in the beat selection.  I would give that album a 7.5-8 out of 10.  From a lyrical perpective, the album is a 9-9.5, but a lot of the beats were just meh, production gets a 6.5-7 out of 10.  Unfortunately, this problem is also Kendrick's big issue for me.  I thought GKMC was decent, lyrically on point but the underwhelming production prevented this from being a classic.  Same with this TPAB.  Lyrically, this album is very very good, 9.5-10, but damn, the beats just don't hit me, and I would give the beats a 6.5-7 out of 10.  So overall a 7.5-8 out of 10.   I see some people here really like Kendrick's crew.  I am not much of a fan of that label, and a lot of their artists are just average to me.  Isiah Rashad, Schoolboy Q and Ab Soul are average mc's, and struggle with wack beat selection.  My favorite albums of the last few years have been older artists.  Run The Jewels takes the cake for me.  It is a throwback album to the days of no holds barred lyricism with a political fire and bomb ass beats.  Also the chemistry between 2 completely different artists in el-p and Killer Mike is undeniable.  Those guys remind me of why hip hop is and has been so important to me.  Also Ghostface Killah's 2 albums 36 season and Sour Soul are ridiculously dope, and are more enjoyable than Lupe's or Kendrick's joints.