Lost recruits and their ultimate impact
I have no idea how to even begin to do this, but there are people here who've followed recruiting far more than I have and have better metrics to work off of. I wonder though if anyone has done a comparison to see what impact Michigan's highly sought after recruits have had wherever they have landed. Obviously taking into consideration coaches and the level of competition it would be interesting to see how much we have really 'lost' out on. Just something I think about when I'm driving in the horrible traffic in Atlanta.
February 6th, 2015 at 11:54 AM ^
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February 6th, 2015 at 11:56 AM ^
February 6th, 2015 at 12:24 PM ^
over at Touch The Banner does a great job of keeping up with ex-Wolverines and many ex-UM recruits (e.g. Pharoah "Eat Snowball Prof!" Brown)
February 6th, 2015 at 12:03 PM ^
Over the past 5 years, the highest touted RB names we were in on on that jump to mind were Dee Hart, Ty Isaac, Damien Harris, Derrick Green, and Brionte Dunn.
One made no impact at his first program, one has made no impact thus far, one is TBD, and M ended up with the most promising one anyway...in addition to the biggest actual Recruiting Get, Derrick Green.
Which made me remember, while I was in traffic, that recruiting is a highly speculative art, and thank we're gonna be OK.
February 6th, 2015 at 4:25 PM ^
Don't forget Devin Lucien and Jordan Payton. Those two are killing it at UCLA and we wiffed on them.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:06 PM ^
February 6th, 2015 at 12:07 PM ^
Oline improvement, much better coaching staff, etc.,, etc. will allow the backs we have, and Mr. Higdon to batter the Big Ten.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:14 PM ^
funny you brought that up. yesterday i found a box in one of my closets that had a college football preview issue . phil steeles 2009 issue. that was the year denard and forcier were recruited.
in the back is the top 500 incomeing freshman. its amaizing how many of the top players listed i never heard of. so in 6 years only a handfull ever rose above the rest.. but you see alot of stars that are way down the lists.
that is the reason this recriting is so out of hand, to rank these classes now when these players have only played against other hs players is a crap shoot.
they show the rankiings by class for 6 years back to 2004. for example michigan had the 6-5-4-9-9-9 rated classes. osu was 9-9-8-7-2-4. so maybe there is something to this coaching business.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:19 PM ^
I remember really hoping Hoke could bring back Jake Fisher (OT) after he decommited when RR got canned. Jake went on to become an AA and the leader of Oregons o-line last year. He could have provided some leadership and stability to our o-lines the last 2 years, and maybe given DG some confidence in the pocket.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:20 PM ^
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February 6th, 2015 at 2:25 PM ^
Excellent. Thanks for the links!
February 6th, 2015 at 7:52 PM ^
Ive checked these out when you posted them to the MGoBoard and I really dig em, Thanks.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:30 PM ^
Biggest misses that come to mind, given our WR and OL situation lately, is Treadwell and Josh Garnett. Da'shawn Hand definitely hurt as well.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:56 PM ^
February 6th, 2015 at 1:04 PM ^
That is him. Depending on how he does at Ole MIss, we will have to add Van Jefferson on that list.
February 6th, 2015 at 2:40 PM ^
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February 6th, 2015 at 12:32 PM ^
You could really kill yourself dwelling on players that didn't come to Michigan.
Also, for every one that didn't come there could be a really popular player who came in their place. Best approach is to recruit as best you can then roll with the players you have.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:41 PM ^
February 6th, 2015 at 12:57 PM ^
I see you're paying attention...good. The real point is to not worry about who didn't come.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:18 PM ^
February 6th, 2015 at 5:32 PM ^
couldn't have picked a better example
February 6th, 2015 at 12:40 PM ^
February 6th, 2015 at 12:41 PM ^
We wanted him as a linebacker.
February 6th, 2015 at 12:48 PM ^
that Dunn is leaving osu floating around...he certainly hasn't seen much of the field and I recall a number of us being very disappointed losing him.
February 6th, 2015 at 1:19 PM ^
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February 6th, 2015 at 1:32 PM ^
Considering UM often offers 140-200 a year and Brown Bear is willing to go back a decade this should be a quick and short project for him.
February 6th, 2015 at 1:48 PM ^
who didn't amount to anything for one reason or another.
Fr' instance, in the 2005 class we got three 4-star DLs: James McKinney, Eugene Germany, and Marcus Slocum. I think McKinney got injured, Germany got booted, and Marcus achieved a peculiar kind of fame that had nothing to do with playing on the field.
Not to mention a guy who might have helped RR greatly in 2008 had he been available: Antonio Bass.
February 6th, 2015 at 4:36 PM ^
But your point stands. And yeah, Antonio Bass is still the most painful loss I can think of.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:30 PM ^
Assume for the moment that (1) he would have been a solid citizen at Michigan; and (2) he actually was sincere about coming to Michigan (I know it is hard to wrap your mind around these assumptions): Rich Rod would have had someone to run his offense from the get-go. There would have been more wins early. Who knows where the ceiling would be but as for which one recruit miss changed things in a big way, it has to be Pryor.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:44 PM ^
if he had gotten Pryor. I suspect the bowl streak would not have ended (albeit probably 6-6) and the staff would have had a little more time to figure out how to recruit and win at a bigtime school like Michigan. I am not sure that RR would have had the success that Meyer is having at OSU, but again he probably wouldn't have had to face him as Tressel might still be at OSU if not for Pryor. (inset TP dumb and dumber money and cars gif here...)
Not that this EVER would have happened because he was always in the bag(-man) for OSU.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:12 PM ^
you anticipated my "what are you fucking kidding me?" response. He was always beholden to the bag men, and he would have never, ever come to Michigan. The whole kibuki recruiting thing was for show. Therefore, RR would not still be here, because Pryor was always headed to greener (pardon the pun) pastures.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:53 PM ^
Ryan Mallett, what might he have done at Michigan if Lloyd had stayed on another four years, or if he had been QB here during a time where we had a more traditional offense ? There is more than one way to "lose" a recruit.