December 8th, 2014 at 12:21 PM ^
OSU plays OSU in 2018 as well.
December 8th, 2014 at 10:49 AM ^
Book it
December 8th, 2014 at 10:50 AM ^
i'm happy for coach Hoke if it happens.
December 8th, 2014 at 11:46 AM ^
Me too. I think it would be a good fit. He can recruit well, which you need against Nike U, and he can operate a little bit under the radar.
I do hope he has learned somethnig from his time at Michigan. The hands-off CEO approach can work - it worked well for Bobby Bowden - but you need kick ass assistants that will pay attention to the details that you don't. You have to let them run the show and have clear lines of authority/decision making. That was one of the biggest problems at Michigan, nobody was ever clear on who was doing what, and so you got missed time outs, 10 men on the field, half-hearted Manball directives, and so on.
December 8th, 2014 at 10:50 AM ^
1.) Oregon State will practice really hard
2.) The players will play for each other
3.) M will have space on punt returns
4.) Clock management from OSU will be terrible
5.) MANBALL
6.) OSU will walk to Michigan.
December 8th, 2014 at 11:14 AM ^
good for OSU (NTOSU). I don't want this to sound terrible, I kind of want Hoke to not do well at his next job. Not because I don't like him (we all know how great of a guy he is), but because I would like the blame for his coaching failure to be placed on him and not Michigan. I can only imagine the nonsense that would ensue should Hoke succeed at Oregon State. Sorry for being late to the party.
December 8th, 2014 at 11:41 AM ^
December 8th, 2014 at 11:48 AM ^
Seriously. What a awful thing to say. I love sports as much as anyone, but it bothers me when peoples' fandom supercedes being a good person. There's no need for that.
December 10th, 2014 at 3:37 PM ^
My goodness, I never said he was a bad guy, I have no hate in my heart for anyone. I just want to know if it was Hoke or if it was Michigan that caused him to perform poorly. That was it, I hardly think that comment qualifies me as a bad person.
December 8th, 2014 at 11:50 AM ^
+1,000
December 8th, 2014 at 10:51 AM ^
Honestly, good for him if it works out. Like RR it obviously didn't work out here, but I honestly think he's a better coach than he looked here and at a smaller, less difficult program I could see him flourish.
December 8th, 2014 at 3:35 PM ^
I can go along with the "good for him if he succeeds," but how can you possibly believe he would "flourish" at OSU when he was a complete failure at UM? Do you really think it's easier to win in the Pac-12 than the LOL? He inherited a solid team from RR and ran it into the ground. He and Brandon have literally turned Michigan into a national laughingstock, earning an appearance in the Onion and driving fans away so effectively that DB came up with "spend $3 on Coke products and we'll give you 2 tickets to a football game."
December 8th, 2014 at 4:06 PM ^
RR's UM offenses was solid as long as the opponents defense was shitty...and as far as I can see, that's still the case even at Arizona...or maybe you saw a different 2014 Pac-12 championship game.
With USC, UCLA, and maybe even Arizona State in that same division, RR will struggle to match what he did this year.
I like RR and wish him all the best but he's pretty much the same one trick pony that he was at WVU (I will give you that it's a damn good trick).
December 9th, 2014 at 1:46 PM ^
RR had 3 years at UM to rebuild the disaster he inherited. In 2011 he would have had a second year starter at QB for the first time and finally had some quality experience on the OL. Michigan was poised to rack up yardage and points against anyone.
Arizona wasn't a smoking crater when RR got there but it wasn't a powerhouse either. RR has built it up to a point where he can start to expect consistent excellence as his RS Freshman QB and true Freshman RB gain experience.
December 8th, 2014 at 10:53 AM ^
I would be one very unhappy beaver.
December 8th, 2014 at 11:04 AM ^
any coach into their slot and feel happy about it . . .
December 8th, 2014 at 10:53 AM ^
If it happens...What's more intriguing for folks? Sept. 12 @UM or Oct. 10 @AZ?
December 8th, 2014 at 11:26 AM ^
Both games would be must see TV for me. I will say though that whatever happens in those games wouldn't matter for each faction as they are just two games. I do think Rich Rod wipes the floor with Hoke though.
It would be good for Hoke to get this second chance although it would obviously royally suck if he somehow won our game next year.
I'll admit I'm surprised Oregon State is contacting him but I'm glad he may land on his feet sooner than I thought. Good for him.
December 8th, 2014 at 10:54 AM ^
December 8th, 2014 at 10:59 AM ^
Hoke does have some pretty good seasons on his resume. Even though things didn't go well at Michigan, he had programs on upward trajectories at Ball State and SDSU.
December 8th, 2014 at 11:55 AM ^
Exactly. I don't know why people think that because this stint didn't work out that Hoke can't be a successful coach somewhere. We said the same thing about RichRod, that he couldn't handle the big time.
The thing is, and I love DG as a person, but if Hoke had a good QB while he was here, and maybe that falls on Borges, he would still have his job. His offense was pretty sweet with Ryan Lindley at SDSU. No reason he can't do that again with better recruits at Oregon State.
December 8th, 2014 at 12:11 PM ^
Who's we? It's crazy that people act like RR's teams were comparable to good MAC teams. WVU crushed Georgia in a BCS bowl (with a late comeback attempt by UGA that looks more like WVU laying off the gas, like MSU vs. NEB this year). They were a game away from the national championship another year. That's the big time.
"I don't know why people think that because this stint didn't work out that Hoke can't be a successful coach somewhere." It's at the very least evidence against Hoke.
Ryan Lindley is in the NFL. He was a pretty good recruit. And I believe the RB from that team, Ronnie Hillman or something is also in the NFL, or was at least drafted. Both were brought in before Hoke too I think. And DG was a much much better recruit. You can't really blame Borges considering he was the one running the offense you're complimenting at SDSU. I don't get how you solely fault DG for his performances under Hoke.
December 8th, 2014 at 12:56 PM ^
He was a freshman in Hoke's second season.
And Lindley is "in the NFL" as an emergency third--string QB because Carson Palmer is hurt. His career NFL stats to date include 0 TDs, 7 INTs and a QB rating of 46; I'll be surprised if he ever plays another meaningful down.
He was drafted largely on the basis of his success with Hoke/Borges; he's been poor since they left.
December 8th, 2014 at 8:05 PM ^
I realize he's not an all-star, but what percentage of college QBs get drafted. He must have had the physical characteristics to make him a prospect. I'm not saying Hoke and Borges don't deserve credit, but the dude wasn't some chubby short walk-on.
I may be wrong about Hoke, but until he has any sustained success at a program, given what I say from him at Michigan, I just don't see how the dude is a good HC. The rest of his career is inconclusive at best.
December 9th, 2014 at 10:14 AM ^
How many short chubby walk-ons play QB at any FBS program?
Lindley was a 3-star whose only other offer, according to Rivals, was from Idaho (UTEP, Utah and Fresno also showed interest). I'm looking for B1G equivalents we'd be familiar with and here are the QBs with the most similar recruiting ratings:
- James Stallons, Wisconsin
- David Cone, Michigan
- Marcel Jones, Minnesota
- Jacob Charest, Illinois
- Trevor Siemian, Northwestern
- Jake Rudock, Iowa
That's his peer set.
None of those guys were ever #6 in the country in YPA.
And Lindley fell off the charts in 2011, after Hoke and Borges left. That 9.1 YPA dropped to 7.1. We saw him in Ann Arbor and he wasn't particularly good...which, frankly, was already my impression when I saw him in 2010. His numbers were generated by the system just like so many Air Raid QB's. And like so many of them, it got him drafted.(It's a different system of course, so he piled up YPA instead of YPG.)
To credit Borges's success in 2010 to Lindley, who was having the only good year he ever had in his career, college or pro, is more than a little odd. You can make a case for Hillman, who's genuinely talented...but then you have to recognize that this was the staff that recognized and recruited him (he didn't have much of an offer sheet either). You can maybe make a case for Vincent Brown. But Lindley?
December 8th, 2014 at 12:16 PM ^
There is nothing in Hoke's coaching past to suggest he's more than just a plain 'ol good coach. Basically just like Mike Riley except maybe has a little more upside. He has had, what, 3 good seasons in the 13(?) seasons he has been a head coach? That looks more like he eventually just lucks into some good talent here and there than develops anything really sustainable. He does have access to a pretty good talent pool on the west coast, but he's also going to be playing in a power 5 conference that is probably better than the B1G presumably using an outdated style of football. I don't see his coaching record getting much above .500 at OSU at all.
December 8th, 2014 at 12:18 PM ^
Probably because Rodriguez was actually a coach with sustained success prior to coming here whereas Hoke's success revolves around two seasons.
You note Lindley, but Lindley was an inherited QB as well. And Borges had/has no track record when it comes to recruiting QBs.
Furthermore, SDSU finished 2nd, 4th and 4th according to the 247 composite rankings in the three years prior to Hoke arriving in San Diego. So relative to his conference he actually had much better recruits than he will have at Oregon State, where the Beavers have finished 11th, 8th and 10th in the PAC-12 over the past three seasons.
He could be successful, but pretending like there's good evidence that suggests that Michigan was the anomaly seems a little weak right now. It seems far more likely that he's just an average to bad coach who had a couple good seasons when the talent and schedule broke just right for him.
December 8th, 2014 at 12:25 PM ^
"SDSU finished 2nd, 4th and 4th according to the 247 composite rankings in the three years prior to Hoke arriving in San Diego." I assume you mean in the Mountain West. Where did you find that? When I go to those years on the 247 site it says the page can't be found.
December 8th, 2014 at 12:29 PM ^
http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Football/CompositeTeamRankings?Conference=M-West
There is this year's MWC. You have to replace the year in the URL line to get the 2006-08 recruiting numbers for SDSU. For some reason there doesn't seem to be a search for it, unless I'm missing something.
December 8th, 2014 at 1:42 PM ^
Hoke does have an 11-2 year at Michigan and the 12-1 year at Ball St.
He's also been below .500 in 6 of 12 years he's been a coach, and only won 60% or more of his games in 4/12 seasons.
He's also never won a conference championship.
December 8th, 2014 at 11:03 AM ^
December 8th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^
He's not really a turnaround artist though.
He had one good season at Ball State, where he then left and they promptly went 2-10 the next year.
He had one good year at SDSU, but he only coached two years and they had inherited a pretty good roster (note what I said about their recruiting above). They didn't freefall like Ball State did, but again: He was only there two years so its tough to really know anything.
And we all know what happened at Michigan.
He does seem to be good at recruiting.
December 8th, 2014 at 3:17 PM ^
note that I said "reputation as"
December 8th, 2014 at 10:54 AM ^
Man, the beatdowns that Arizona lays out on Oregon State over the coming years are going to be something to watch.
December 8th, 2014 at 10:54 AM ^
December 8th, 2014 at 10:55 AM ^
Here is the link. I would be really happy for him but I wouldnt be telling the truth if there wasnt a tiny part of me that is afraid that he would beat us.
https://twitter.com/joshnewberg247/status/541976624472653824
December 8th, 2014 at 10:55 AM ^
Many of you guys are ingrates and idiots.
I really do wish the man well...and so should you.
December 8th, 2014 at 12:45 PM ^
Having watched his teams get progressively worse over the last four years at a traditionally strong program losing its grip on its perch in a conference that has been weakening annually for the last ten years would suggest that the chances of any success he could possibly attain lie not in taking a job with a solidly mediocre program in the lower tiers of a superior conference like the PAC 12.
I wish him success, but he ain't gonna have it there.
December 8th, 2014 at 10:59 AM ^
I personally think Brady Hoke is done coaching for good. I see no reason why he would take the job at Oregon State when he loves Michigan more than he loves coaching. (OK, that might be debatable.) Couple that with the fact that Michigan plays Oregon State in 2015. Hoke has shown himself to not be bitter. Why would he coach against Michigan if he could avoid it?
December 8th, 2014 at 11:02 AM ^
December 8th, 2014 at 11:05 AM ^
December 8th, 2014 at 11:06 AM ^
But the guy absolutely loves coaching and impacting kids. I wouldn't be surprised if he was done for good either, but I think he really, really does love coaching.
If Oregon St did hire him, I think both Michigan and Oregon St would find a way to not play the game. I know Hoke really wanted to get rid of the SDSU game his first year (that would be a pretty odd coincidence), but this year both parties I think would be in favor.
December 8th, 2014 at 11:14 AM ^
December 8th, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^
You may be able to, but most likely you're looking at a mid-major. Unless you can find a four-team type swap, you'd have to move down.
But there just is little upside to keeping that game on if it happened, for either team. I don't think Hoke would want to play against the kids he recruited and I don't think the new coach would want his players going against Hoke. You'd find a way to not play that game.
December 8th, 2014 at 11:59 AM ^
December 8th, 2014 at 12:00 PM ^
December 8th, 2014 at 12:08 PM ^
Unless we have MNC aspirations, I don't think replacing OSU with a MAC school would hurt. But for season ticket holders who have put up with less than appealing home games the past couple of years, they should shoot for an ACC or Big 12 version of the Beavers.
December 8th, 2014 at 11:56 AM ^
Not to be a debbie downer, but I do not think that is something we have to worry about next year. That being said, I think we can have a good year next year just not a playoff type of year.
December 8th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^
so I'm not worried that weakening next year's schedule a little will have a negative impact on our playoff chances.
December 8th, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^
I would be EXTREMELY surprised if Hoke weren't coaching somewhere by 2016, if not before. He might take a year off to clear his head a little bit or just recover from the stress, but I would bet a significant amount of money that he's not done coaching.