Walmart Wolverines - a Bump

Submitted by JeepinBen on

Seeing as it's that game week against our in-state (#2 overall) rival with an inferiority complex I thought I'd re-post a diary of mine from last year discussing our history of "Non-Alum Friends of the University" as Yost called you.

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/thank-you-non-alum-friends-university

Remember, non-alums built Michigan Stadium while sparty needed direct state support. And no matter where you went to school, your support of Michigan doesn't go unnoticed. There are quite a few life things that can prevent people from attending their "fan" university, doesn't mean you can't support it. You can also remind them that we've won 6 of the last 9 in "their" sport.

Go Blue. Beat State 

All-in-4-Michigan

October 24th, 2014 at 1:18 PM ^

Although I did not attend UofM I feel I might have as deep a connection to the University as if I had attended.  I have been a UofM fan as long as I can remember because of my grandmother, however, that is only how it started.  I owe my two wonderful children to UofM. Where others failed, my wife and I, given the slimest chance of having children were successful on two separate occasions with the help of UofM.  Leaders, best and miracle workers!

 

GO BLUE!!!

 

JHendo

October 24th, 2014 at 1:20 PM ^

Yeah, I think it's elitist.  I'm not a U of M alum.  But besides being a life-long fan and Ann Arbor resident, I worked for the university for a few years.  Do I get to say I have a deeper relationship with U of M than alumni because while they were paying to be a part of the school, the school was paying me to be a part of it?

What it comes down is that alumni are trully more apt to have a stronger bond with the school because of a tie that will never be broken.  Michigan will always be a part of you.  But just as there can be apathetic alumni anywhere, U of M is the type of school that can build such a great , undying passion in those who have no formal association with it.  When it comes to Wolerines and  fanhood specifically, never once assume your Michigan degree has created a stronger (or even equivalent) bond to Michigan than the so-called Wal-Mart Wolverine sitting next you in the stands who has made a conscious and unsolicited effort to dedicate his unassociated time, money and emotions towards this school. 

VectorVictor05

October 24th, 2014 at 4:07 PM ^

I don't think any alumni is attempting to belittle the effort, unassociated time, money and emotions, etc. spent by non alumni (unless they're an arrogant prick).  The fact is, though, you're investing all of those things in UofM sports, not the university as a whole, becauase you get something out of it.  Just like people that buy Wings, Lions, Pistons, Tigers season tickets.  I aboslutely love the Detroit Pistons and have spent a lot of money attending games when I lived in Metro Detroit, but that love is very surface level and easily put on the back burner when the team isn't giving me what I expect as a return on that investment (of time AND money) - such as the last 8 years.  I'm not accusing any non-alumni of being bandwagon fans, I'm just pointing out that alumni have so much more to fall back on with respect to the university if our favorite sports team isn't tearing it up.

I honestly don't point this out to be elitist or to belittle non-alumni fans, but I'd imagine it would be really hard to understand this point of view without attending the university and having the level of pride most alumni have in ALL of the university, and at that point, this argument would be moot anyway.

Ultimately, there's nothing wrong with being a fan of UofM if you didn't attend (most alumni I know love and embrace our school's popularity), but there is also nothing wrong with accepting that individuals that did attend the university are going to have a different/deeper bond with the school that is impossible to appreciate unless you too have it.

Brodie

October 24th, 2014 at 7:06 PM ^

Alumni can have more to fall back on if they avail of it, but there are plenty of alumni who don't fall into the whole "Michigan is a part of my person" and there are plenty of non alumni, like Horace Rackham (to cite a name that looms large on campus), who have given of themselves to the University as a whole. These things are never so cut and dry.

The fact is, though, without people who didn't go to Michigan and their surface level fandom, we'd be just another Minnesota or Indiana or whatever.

VectorVictor05

October 24th, 2014 at 11:08 PM ^

I think you're pointing out exceptions to the rule in your first point. There may be "plenty" of alumni that don't feel that way but the vast majority of people I went to school with feel that way. Horace Rackham is a vast outlier, let's be honest.

On your second point, I think you have it backwards. The surface level fandom is a result of athletic success, not the other way around. We aren't Indiana or Minnesota because we've consistently been worth the time and emotional investment for non alumni.

nowayman

October 24th, 2014 at 1:27 PM ^

Wolverines since a young age more of a fan than myself and this is despite the fact that I now bleed maize and blue and have a diploma from the school.  I was not a fan of all sports related to the University of Michigan at the age of 26 but by 27 (meh, more like 28) I was.  

I only became a fan because I attended.  I didn't intend to become one.   

However, I doubt my fervor is any greater or my connnection any deeper because I have a degree or spent some time stumbling around Rick's than a person like WD (I'm just going to ignore the foia faux pas).  Additionally, I've only been a fan for six-ish years.  That's not a long period of time.  

Moreover, I know a ton of people that have UM degrees that I wouldn't consider Wolverines.  I'm not being judgmental here (well, negatively judgmental) by saying that because they wouldn't consider themselves Wolverines either.  

I guess people that grew up Wolverines and then attended Michigan might be able to claim some sort of deeper connection, but I'm fairly confident it wouldn't be much more than a claim.

In closing, I disagree.   I'm not disagreeing because I think you're being elitist, but because I think you're wrong.  Having attended the school and experienced the campus does create a deeper connection than not having done that. 

However, that does not mean that it trumps all experiences with the Wolverines or is in any way deeper than say (making something up here) watching the 1998 Rosebowl with your father a few days before he passes away.*

*It's an extreme example and meant to be but it's not meant to be an example of a situation that is comparable to attending Michigan, so it shouldn't be taken as such.  

 

RoxyMtnHiM

October 24th, 2014 at 1:40 PM ^

Can't disagree with that. It just about has to be a different relationship. otoh, I've been Maize  and Blue since about 7 years old. Somewhere I have the Rick Leach SI cover still, stolen from my elem school library. I literally cried in a hotel room in Atlanta when we beat Wash State b/c I knew I'd eventually see that day and then, after all the near misses, Charles White's phantom TD and all that, it had come. I don't think the fandom of someone from, say, New Jersey, who never thought about UM until their freshman year, is really any more important than mine.

Baloo

October 24th, 2014 at 1:58 PM ^

Obviously alumni are going to have a different relationship with the University, but there is no inherent reason why they should have a different relationship with the football team. Attending Michigan doesn't give you a stronger relationship to a bunch of anonymous kids from around the country throwing a ball than anyone else.  In my view, particularly with the recent commercialization of the Michigan brand, the University and the Athletic Department are basically two seperate entities.

MGoBender

October 24th, 2014 at 6:49 PM ^

With all due respect, when you're a student and you live on campus, you know that the University and the Athletic Department are interwoven.  Athletics is part of campus life.  Attending a football game as a student is different than attending as a non-student because you spend hours in the UGLi or in the MLB with people that you work very hard with.  People you learn from, you teach, you tutor, you become best friends with, you date, you fall in love with.  This all happens in a great place and the cool thing is when you're all together on a Saturday afternoon, wearing the same color, chanting the same thing, it's magical. 

There is a difference, because for 4-6 years you get to live Michigan in the very real sense of living.

Brodie

October 24th, 2014 at 7:11 PM ^

but that has nothing to do with what he said, which was that not being an alumnus doesn't make you a better football fan. Athletics may be part of the larger college experience for alums, but that doesn't make your relationship wtih the football team any different than an Eastern student whohas season tickets.

MGoBender

October 24th, 2014 at 8:23 PM ^

I don't understand your first sentence...  He said being an alumnus doesn't make you inherently anymore connected to the football team.  That was the point of his that I was arguing.  There is a connection.  

Here's a more concrete connection: I had class with Mike Hart.  Zoltan Mesko played intramural softball with me. We were students together at the same time.  Alums have those experiences.  

It doesn't make them better football fans, necessarily, but there is that different connection that is limited to students of the school.

Lampuki22

October 24th, 2014 at 2:00 PM ^

 Sparties defend the Walmart mantra by saying that the fans who didn't attend U of M also make fun of their education (whether they went to a better school or not).. I can't imagine that actually happens very often.   Untimlately it's an experssion of their own insecruity:  they can't respond to the assertion that U of M is unquestionably  a better school than MSU in just about every aspect, so they attack our non-alum fans.      I have run into some non-alum fans at games etc. that I was embarassed to be around because they were soooo over the top with their fandom and also not very classy.                                                                                                                                                                     I can see why this would deeply annoy Sparties and why they needed something to make them feel better about their degree.  It only bothers me when they use it to call out people (eg online) when they have no idea whether they went to U of M or not.    

VectorVictor05

October 24th, 2014 at 4:29 PM ^

If sports were clouding judgement, I think people, at least at this specific point in time, would be a little less braggadocious.

I agree that MSU is a good school, and I have many fond memories of my time spent in EL partying with friends that went there, but it's not over the top to say UofM is an unquestionably better academic institution than MSU.  Caveats, of course, for random areas where UofM has no historic dedicated program (e.g., hospitality mgmnt, agriculture majors, and supply chain).

MSU can be a good school and still not match up to UofM.

Drew_Silver

October 24th, 2014 at 1:07 PM ^

they revolutionized the retail industry and logistics and supply chain as we know it

 

also - when someone is a non-alum free agent and they choose UofM over state I have respect for their great decision

MichiganMan20

October 24th, 2014 at 1:12 PM ^

Well I'm a student at EMU which is only 7 miles away from AA. So close enough, right? Seriously though, it shouldn't even matter, I know a lot of state fans that don't go to MSU. But I guess its only a one way street with them.

UMxWolverines

October 24th, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^

I'm sure everybody in the Lansing area went to MSU. Every single one. Nevermind that Oakland University used be part of MSU and the majority of people that go there are MSU fans.

MGoCombs

October 24th, 2014 at 1:15 PM ^

Most of the UM fans I associate with who share my deep passion for UM athletics never attended the university, and honestly the thought never really crosses my mind. Then again, I'm a fraudulent alum as I only did grad school in Ann Arbor and undergrad at Dearborn, the red-headed step child of the UM family, so what do I know.

HELLE

October 24th, 2014 at 1:16 PM ^

a couple of students were surprised we didn't attend Michigan, and they really couldn't grasp the concept of growing up a fan. Mind you, these kids probably came to michigan solely for an education, but I think this says something about sports vs education in general and the difficulty we will have bringing these kids back to the stadium as adults.

Surveillance Doe

October 24th, 2014 at 1:18 PM ^

Of course, Sparty likes to call any fan of Michigan a Walmart Wolverine. I have three degrees from Michigan, and I get it all the time. I live in Chicago, and almost any time I watch a Michigan game at a bar with friends (all of whom also have at least one Michigan degree), we have some Sparty smartass question whether or not we "even went there." I've been approached randomly on the street when wearing a Michigan hat by someone calling me out on my actual affiliation. It's silly

The reality is that there is nothing wrong with having a fanbase that is broader than your alumni network. I suppose the animosity probably comes from the fact that very few people are Michigan State fans without having a deeper affiliation. It's just not a brand that draws a following in the same way. I'm sure Sparty would love to have kids growing up loving their teams. You think they would criticize and refuse the fandom of people unaffiliated with the school? It's hard to tell because not a lot of those people exist, but I'm betting they wouldn't.

gopoohgo

October 24th, 2014 at 6:28 PM ^

More friendly ribbing when you live out on the East Coast.

Have had nice conversations with all B1G alumns while living in Maryland.  

BTW there are a sh*t-ton Michigan alumns in Bethesda.  Many "Go Blues' yelled at me while decked out in Michigan gear (and my Berner with her Michigan bib) walking along Bethesda Ave.

tdeshetler

October 24th, 2014 at 1:19 PM ^

Well said.

I was a dumb 18 year old who didn't realize the true college experience is a once in a lifetime opportunity.

So, now I show my love and passion for the university the only way I know – indoctrinate my kids into the Michigan lifestyle and to continue my financial support of the athletics (tickets) and academics (donations).   

BornSinner

October 24th, 2014 at 1:24 PM ^

That big stadium wouldn't be filled every weekend without some of you Walmart Wolverines haha. So cheers from an alum.

Owl

October 24th, 2014 at 1:28 PM ^

"Walmart Wolverine" developed as a response to CMU grads (and the like) denigrating MSU academics on the basis of their Michigan fan allegiance. Or at least that's always been the explanation I've seen from MSU fans on the internet. If you're not the sort of person to belittle their education when you yourself did not attend Michigan, then you're not who they mean (according to MSU fans I've actually seen using the term).

BigBlue02

October 24th, 2014 at 4:00 PM ^

Which is why MSU students are fucking idiots. Not a single one of them see the irony in blasting a CMU education because it isn't as good as an MSU degree. When MSU students say MSU is as good as Michigan because they have specific programs that are better and that's why they chose the Spartans, they don't see how idiotic it is to then turn around and say a CMU education isn't as good as an MSU education.

evenyoubrutus

October 24th, 2014 at 1:51 PM ^

I have written my testimony here before but I went to EMU, although I grew up in Ann Arbor and half my immediate family went to Michigan.  I never chose to be a Michigan fan, my dad (also an EMU grad) got me hooked when I was a pre teen in the glorious '90s, because his dad got him hooked when  he was in high school.  My grandpa, who happens to be my son's namesake, didn't go to college because he was a little busy being deployed in the Pacific Theater in the Marine Corps 1st Division.  I have never bought any Michigan apparel from Wal Mart although I shop at M Den a lot.

What's funny to me is that I don't see any State grads complaining about all these fickle people in the state who have decided to supposedly "flip" to MSU.  

2427_Couzens

October 24th, 2014 at 2:45 PM ^

"What's funny to me is that I don't see any State grads complaining about all these fickle people in the state who have decided to supposedly "flip" to MSU." This. Since Sparty has become the better football team (ouch), I have not heard them complain about the "WalMart Wolverine" one bit. And I definitely am aware of people who have jumped on the bandwagon...not to mention some Spartan alumni I know that have suddenly experienced a renewal of school spirit!

jtmc33

October 24th, 2014 at 1:41 PM ^

I was wearing a UM winter hat at last year's tailgate; a group of MSU students walked past us and one pointed at me and yelled "I saw that same hat a Walmart!!!!" and then he and his three buddies all laughed and high-fived each other.

My mom got me that hat.  Pretty sure she bought it at Meijer's.   Maybe it was Walmart.

WolverineinSB

October 24th, 2014 at 1:44 PM ^

I have always been a fan of Michigan and I don't go to Michigan. Nice post bc I hate when people say crap to me bc I didn't go there. I got in to Michigan, but since I'm out of state I really couldn't afford the tuition. I was able to go to IU on a scholarship and not have student loans. I do cheer for both schools and when they play it is a little awkward.

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