Is there such thing as an ''Ohio State'' man?
It was brought to my attention in the ''Don't overlook the cradle of coaches thread'' that Tressel was actually an assistant under Earle Bruce which I did not realize.
So, since that is true and since Urban was also on Earle's staff, is there such thing as an Ohio State man?
Look how Cooper was received in Columbus. He was sort of accepted becasue he could recruit better than they had in a long time and was doing better than Earle had, but blew the Michigan game every year. He referred to the Michigan game as just another game like a certain someone did here and that did not go over well.
My uncle moved down there a few years into the Cooper era (what a great time for him then, what a shitty 10 years it has been for him since) and he has said that they never really fully accepted him down there. He was from Tennessee and had played at Iowa State and had no connections to the state of Ohio.
This article on 11 warriors also seems to say the same thing:
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2013/06/22916/ohio-state-football-the-com…
So is it a real thing that certain places have to hire coaches with connections? Maybe it's not just a thing here.
September 29th, 2014 at 11:57 PM ^
He drives a truck.
September 30th, 2014 at 12:00 AM ^
Yeah:
Terrelle Pryor.
September 30th, 2014 at 12:06 AM ^
September 30th, 2014 at 12:04 AM ^
He is Ohio State Man
September 30th, 2014 at 12:11 AM ^
In its natural habitat!
September 30th, 2014 at 12:24 AM ^
That is "The" Ohio State Man.
September 30th, 2014 at 12:08 AM ^
DAVE BRANDON IS ONE FIRE HIM
September 30th, 2014 at 12:16 AM ^
September 30th, 2014 at 12:52 AM ^
We're not the only one though. Nebraska pretty much did the same thing witih Devany, Osborne, and Solich.
Then they went outside after Solich with Callahan and that was a massive failure. Pelini was an assitant and he really hasn't gotten them to be elite in the 6 years he's been there.
Maybe I will go to the Nebraska site tomorrow and ask them about it.
Alabama went pretty damn long with guys connected to Bear Bryant. Who knows what would have happened if Saban hadn't been available to them.
September 30th, 2014 at 12:21 AM ^
Highly doubt it because no other program in the country, exception maybe Texas and USC (Carroll tree I guess with Kiffin and Sark), is as absurdly judgmental and elitist when it comes to football. Unlike Texas, who just wants winners, Michigan has this even bigger delusion that the moral fibers of this program sprouted from the moral tree itself when in reality it's just maybe slightly above average especially after the Gibbons incident. Oh and we sometimes reach JoePa worship levels of reverence for Bo. It sounds bad, but it is true and has led to a stigma about Michigan since 2007 unfortunately...
It is time to sit down and think about where this program will go. Where has all this Michigan Man Bo worship gotten us? 1 AP national title and 4 coaching changes later onto our 5th now (2 being disasters), it's time to move on and find a new identity and culture all together and redefine the Michigan Man.
September 30th, 2014 at 12:20 AM ^
Which is ironic considering Bruce was fired the Monday following their loss to Iowa, which also happened to be the Monday before OSU went on to beat Michigan....with Earl Bruce still coaching on the side line. Of course the regents didn't know that was going to happen but they did know that John Cooper's Sun Devils of ASU had beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl less than a year previous.
You have got to hand it to OSU, even when things looked their bleakest, major suspensions, a fired coach in national disgrace (but not local), and NCAA sanctions the OSU faithful never gave up on the program. They all hunkered down together and weathered the storm losing little in national esteem and certainly weren't losing recruits hand over fist. Of course they weren't busy eating their own and telling everyone that would listen just how high and mighty they were even as they spoke about how much they and their program sucked. Nope, no cannibalism in Columbus.
September 30th, 2014 at 12:25 AM ^
Yeah. Certain people don't fit places. We just have an easy alliterative name for it here. I'm so tired of the term "Michigan Man". I enjoy it in its well-known uses by Yost and Schembechler, but in almost no other circumstances.
September 30th, 2014 at 12:42 AM ^
September 30th, 2014 at 12:48 AM ^
The guy who ran that tat parlor in C-Bus...pretty damn sure he's your Ohio State Man
September 30th, 2014 at 1:12 AM ^
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September 30th, 2014 at 9:59 AM ^
I just never understood that. Especially coming from someone born in Ohio, got his masters at OhioSt, GA'd under Hayes at OhioSt, coached at Miami (NTM) of Ohio. If ever there was an "Ohio Man" he fits the bill. Yet his insistance on a "Michigan Man" is holding your program back.
September 30th, 2014 at 10:13 AM ^
September 30th, 2014 at 10:11 AM ^
September 30th, 2014 at 1:40 PM ^
No, I get it. I do, but only because I am I understand the sport and the context by what was meant. However, someone not that in tune with the situation regards it as arrogance at its finest. At surface level "A Michigan Man Will Coach Michigan" looks arrogant. The underlying definition is the important aspect here. Someone with values, morals, who values institutional allegiance etc etc.
September 30th, 2014 at 1:23 AM ^
September 30th, 2014 at 3:22 AM ^
of the Elite College Football Program Club gives preference to coaches who have come through over outsiders. The danger comes when you overvalue a person from inside far beyond what their actual ability to coach is.
Ohio State's guilty of doing that with Fickell. I mean I'm glad they keep employing him as a co-DC, because he's an incompetent whose complete inability to teach concepts outweighs whatever recruiting ability he has. And I hope Ohio State continues having a terribly coached defense. But that guy is getting paid a lot of money for no reason other than that he's a Buckeye Bro.
September 30th, 2014 at 5:35 AM ^
The question posed in the OP shows zero understanding of Michigan's history and the origins of the phrase "Michigan Man".
September 30th, 2014 at 5:45 AM ^
Woody Hayes, Jim Tressel. Win at any cost. Lies, tatoos, punches, and apparently mullets, given a previous post. Those are the most important attributes of an Ohio State man.
September 30th, 2014 at 7:14 AM ^
Ohio wins. That is all I would like from Michigan.
September 30th, 2014 at 7:46 AM ^
It's more than wins. That is far too simplistic an attitude.
September 30th, 2014 at 9:04 AM ^
a coach who beats Michigan "gets it." A coach who doesn't is John Cooper.
September 30th, 2014 at 9:33 AM ^
For Michigan, its a whole damn process. They had to have gone here, coached here, and they HAVE to have Schembechler ties. Oh, and beat OSU I guess.
Our Michigan man crap is just one more example of why we're a program stuck in the past and can't seem to come to terms with the fact that Bo has been gone for the better part of a decade, and he's not coming back.
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September 30th, 2014 at 9:59 AM ^