Buckeyes are truly offensive.
And poisonous.
from a school---and a marching band---with a fight song named "Carnal Ohio"?
I haven't heard anything about Ohio's band being out of control before. I have heard stories from various people in the MSU band community about Wisconsin. Apparently MSU's band director banned them from coming back after a trip there.
Yeah, I think the general consensus is that Wisco is out of control. They don't have a great history with coming to UMich either.
They report a bunch of secondary violations and conceal the really dirty stuff.
I seem to recall in the 80s or 90s the MSU band got in trouble for a hazing practice called "assing". Study it out.
Still has the best quote ever in the story:
"If you know you are going to get assed, you try harder not to make a mistake." Words to live by.
It was highly doubtful I would ever go to MSU regardless, but I basically decided I could never go there as I read that article at the breakfast table. I was 12.
was a lot like a frat house on wheels.
They forced people to march in their underwear and perform mock sex acts. That's clearly sexual harrassment.
Depends. Is there a joint involved? If so, then HAMMER OF JUSTICE! If not, then, eh, they just made a 'mistake'. Hold out your wrist.
...a PR problem. And then out of no where BAM!!!:
a press conference, some studies and a ten year progressively less lax enforcement campaign.
Some of the things in the report are mind-boggling when you try - in vain - to comprehend what in blazes went through Waters' mind on a day-to-day basis. For example:
"Each new Band member (traditionally called a “Rookie”) is assigned a nickname by upperclassmen. Multiple witnesses noted that many such nicknames are sexually explicit or have an implicit sexual meaning. One witness said that in 2013, all three new members of one row had sexual nicknames: “Captain Dildo,” “Barker,” and “Pat Fenis.”"
The report lists some nickname that are extremely demeaning, even outright discriminatory. The so-called "Tricks" performed - either on command or at the leisure of the individual - were typically related to the nickname, according to the report as well. There are also mentions of "rookie introductions", which involved sexually explicit questioning and there was even an instance described where someone was made to use a dildo as a microphone.
There were publications as well which floated around which included disparaging things about various people in the band as well as "The Songbook", which as mentioned in the link, included sexually explicit (by some accounts, misogynistic) lyrics written around various school fight songs, even their own.
Much of this is mentioned in the article, but the report has more detail and individual accounts which mke you hope that Mr. Waters never has the opportunity to work in education or near students again. To that effect, Mr. Waters' views on the nicknames:
When asked to estimate how many current nicknames are sexual or offensive, Waters responded that “fifty percent” probably were “questionable.” When asked whether he thought such sexual nicknames are appropriate, Waters answered, “No.” When asked why he then tolerates such sexual nicknames, Waters replied, “Good point.”
I like how Michigan hires normal people.
Between the sparty professor that got naked during a lecture and ran around and this, hiring normal people is becoming one of Michigan's top underrated qualities.
had an assitant coach who used a stuff animal as a prop on the sideline of football game. He rubbed it in the face of an adult football player approximately 100 lbs heavier than him.
Is one of the most hard working, tenacious animals on the planet.
False. I had a UM professor who was found with child pornography. He booked it to his native Israel to escape the charges. We are not immune.
Predictably, the response from 11W is shock...that he got fired.
and say he was afraid Waters was going to fire him. Those Dinosaur halftime shows are that aweomse.
mentality of college.
If their band could hide this for so many years, it makes you wonder what else that school could be hiding.
Sorry, but marching in their underwear and nicknames...color me unimpressed. Kids being kids. More PC to appease the lunatic fringe.
Yeah, no big deal if they're doing it at a party where everyone there is choosing to be there.
Kinda a big deal if you're a freshman (female especially) and upperclassmen are telling you to come to practice at the stadium, lose your clothes and drink up. Don't want to? Everyone does it, the band director is there, so if you want to be a part of the band, you better be there and better participate. Oh, and we're gonna call you "Captain Dildo" for the rest of the year.
There's a big difference between doing this stuff consensually with friends on your own time and being forced or coerced into doing it as part of the band.
I see I've found a member of the lunatic fringe. These "traditions" have likely been going on for decades. In all that time, 1 parent called in to complain.
That's the problem with society today. You offend 1 person in 1000 and you have a problem.
defending OSU. Hi Urban. TrueBlue my ass.
Whatever. Not surprising most people here can't look at this objectively. Take away "Ohio State" from the headline and would you even care? Would there be the same moral outrage some of you are professing if it were New Mexico State?
You seem to have this problem where you project your own shortcomings onto others. Sorry, you might not actually care about other human beings, but most of us do.
Re read what allegedly occurred. It's disgusting. I don't know if I'm more disturbed by the OSU band, or the fact that there are some people who think it's fine???
Log out, go outside. You're done for the day.
Yes. I would be outraged if it happened at NMSU. Are you insane? How is it perfectly acceptable for band memebers to force a sister and brother to do sexual things? What world do you live in?
And it wasn't. The guy was fired.
Yet the way you're talking makes it seem you WOULD have tolerated it. And by the way it doesn't matter if it's OSU or someone else. Making people do things like this against their will is fucked up.