Does OSU deserve being in the CFB Playoffs?

Submitted by UM85 on November 27th, 2022 at 8:26 AM

B1G Commissioner Kevin Warren called for tOSU to be included in the playoffs. 

"Clearly, Michigan and Ohio State are two of the best four teams in the country, and I think today proved it. Great football game. Epic football game. Without a doubt, I think they are clearly two of the best football teams in the country."

And:

"These are two powerhouse teams and clearly two of the top four teams in all of college football. You look at all the games you watch. Put even the rankings to the side. If you ask yourself, who are the teams that are better than these two football teams in the country? These are two of the four best teams in the country. By far."

Obviously, KW is just doing his job but he is only half right (the part about Michigan.)  After the spanking UM just put on ohio (hahahahahaha!!!) and the fact that ND lost to USC (hahahahahaha!!!) - which was one of ohio's marquee wins, tough to argue that the Big Ten East's runners-up deserve anything other than a trip to Disneyland to play the PAC12 runners-up. 

Would you rather have ohio in or out?

Mgoscottie

November 27th, 2022 at 8:44 AM ^

Best win is a road win over PSU and the early win over 4-loss ND. They got absolutely destroyed by us and had close games with lots of marginal opponents. I think they're toast and the committee will put in a 2-loss champion over them if needed. 

cbs650

November 27th, 2022 at 8:44 AM ^

If they are in the top 6, they have shot. My problem will be Bama getting in with 2 losses and being the second SEC team in if lets say TCU and/or USC loses. I hate OSU as much as anyone but in this case if you want the Big Ten to be seen as the next best conference should we ever have 1-loss, you have to root for a 1 loss OSU non champion to get in over a 2-loss non champion team. 

Romeo50

November 27th, 2022 at 8:44 AM ^

No. 

But I have misgivings about what UM's approach exposes to our impressionable youth . Do you realize what all those young eyes of the 50 top recruits OSU was nice enough to invite to our game saw...NFL caliber coaching? Don't you realize what effect this can have on them? How are they to learn a system only applicable to college so they can play a little in the NFL?

I blame Jack Harbaugh. You sir, look at what you wrought!

pinkfloyd2000

November 27th, 2022 at 8:45 AM ^

Sure. If USC loses, make OSU the 4 seed and put them up against (likely) Georgia. And then hell, if the universe aligns in some weird way, we can beat the fuckers again for the NC. That would completely destroy their program. 

UMForLife

November 27th, 2022 at 8:45 AM ^

I think Bama gets in over them if USC lose. OSU was at home and was pounded by UM. Their best wins were ND and PSU. Well, PSU was bombed by UM and they look like the next tier team. ND looks even worse after yesterday and Clemson, ND's big win, lost again.

If committee puts Bama over OSU on Tuesday, then you have your answer. If they put OSU over Bama, then let us hope USC and TCU win their conference championship games. Georgia and UM are in regardless of the championship game.

Walmart Wolverine

November 27th, 2022 at 9:16 AM ^

It would be FIFA level corruption for Bama to get in over OSU.   Alabama's best win is against #20 Ole Miss.

If anyone, it should be Tennessee but I think it has to be the Buckeyes.*

 

*assuming serve doesn't hold next week

 

edit: to clarify, Tennessee is more deserving than Alabama.  I think a few teams, including OSU are more deserving than Tennessee

M_Born M_Believer

November 27th, 2022 at 10:18 AM ^

This^^^^^  We will have a clear picture Tuesday night.  Pending how Bama and OSU are ranked 5th or 6th will be critical.

But I believe that UGA, Michigan, AND TCU are in regardless (barring some kind of bizarre epic beatdown upset)

That leaves USC, the strange part is that I have spent most of this year talking up the PAC-12 as a good football conference.  Honestly they could very well be the 2nd best conference pending on how you view top level teams v conference depth.  I would put them 3rd, but they certainly have depth (7 teams deep)...  Here is my list...

1) SEC

2) Big Ten (I weigh in favor for top level teams)

3) PAC 12

4) Big 12

5) ACC

Wolverine 73

November 27th, 2022 at 8:46 AM ^

OUT.  Rooting for TCU and USC to win out.  Then you get Georgia, Michigan TCU and USC.  And OSU fans cry boo hoo hoo, like the Who’s of Whoville.  No Bama, no Clemson, no OSU.  People might actually be interested this year.

NFG

November 27th, 2022 at 8:46 AM ^

I'd rather get his hot take on why the conference hasn't taken any disciplanery actions against MSU for the brawl in the tunnel. 

matty blue

November 27th, 2022 at 8:51 AM ^

looking at it objectively…are they one of the four best teams in the country?  maybe.  possibly.  they lost to the best team in the country, which is less disqualifying than losing to a lesser team. they’ve got an argument.  a weak one, but it’s there.

looking at it subjectively, though, two things…

first, they didn’t just lose, they got curb-stomped.  just like last year, they totally rolled over late.  once they were down in the second half it was over.  if i’m the committee, i don’t want the softest one-loss team in the history of ever showing up and taking a big old baby dump on the big stage.

second, fuck those guys, forever and ever, amen.

Midukman

November 27th, 2022 at 8:54 AM ^

Hell no. Why should they get to set at home and rest while everyone else plays. Now if we win on a last second field goal and osu is above a two loss usc then yes, I suppose. We beat their ass in their house…end of story!

WolverineHistorian

November 27th, 2022 at 8:59 AM ^

I mentioned the irony last night.  Had Michigan lost by one point yesterday, there's not a chance in hell we would even be considered for the playoffs.  

But the Buckeyes get their asses kicked in their own stadium and they still have a shot of getting in.  Born on third base.

No.  They don't deserve to go.  I'd appreciate it if Kevin Warren stopped the pity party for them.  

treetown

November 27th, 2022 at 9:01 AM ^

Warren is paid to promote the BigTen, so like a SEC slappy he is obligated to tout his brand. This was easily one of if not the best college game of the year and suspect it would have done well in TV viewership. 

Day when asked this - what else could he say? He and Knowles at their press conference were like a pair of 6 year old caught in the act of doing something bad. Knowles probably doesn't want to hear the word "explosive" for a long time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLef9y2CxLs

bamf_16

November 27th, 2022 at 9:03 AM ^

Out. I would love to beat them in the first round, and I’d love even more to beat them in the championship game.

 

But they don’t deserve it. They have a loss. So even if TCU loses, they’ll match the 1 loss, but they had to play an extra week to get it.

 

And even if USC loses, their 1 regular season loss was by 1 point on the road. OSU’s 1 regular season loss was a home beatdown. And I don’t think you penalize USC for “having” to play an extra game, even if it results in their 2nd loss.

 

(Though I Michigan lost yesterday, no way in hell would I be ok with a 2 loss USC in over a 1 loss Michigan. Heh)

WayOfTheRoad

November 27th, 2022 at 9:03 AM ^

I've made my thoughts known but I'll repeat them because it feels good.

No, they don't. They can easily get in but I am of the opinion that The Game should hold as much significance as possible one time a year. Yes, I had UM out of the playoff race if they lost in a way that OSU just did. It's on record, I'm not cherry picking my views. If a team gets blown out in The Game, they're out. If one loses in a close, classic battle they may sneak in with help.

Michigan ran away with that game. TCU is what OSU wishes to be. They run a high octane offense with a pretty solid defense. You can't shit on the B12 for as long as The Committee has and then allow OSU to be a worse Oklahoma and sneak in after The Game.

On a personal note and as alluded above, I also don't like the idea of a rematch in the same year. Ever. Now, when it goes to a 12 team playoff it may be unavoidable but it lessens The Game if you can get your ass kicked and then have another go a month later. Again, I'm on record with this and believe it just as strongly when/if Michigan loses. It's not a case of not wanting to see that team again, it's a case of The Game being The Game. Once a year, winner take all. As always. Once that goes away it lessens The Game.

Some think that an epic rematch in a playoff would be great and I'm beyond positive that it wouldn't be. Moreover, it would inevitably steer this away from a heated rivalry into psycho, MSU territory. I'd guarantee it. 

No, you play once a year and the winner wins, the loser loses. That said, I think it'll come down to USC. IIRC, they have to beat the only team to beat them this year. If they can't, OSU is likely in because The Committee loves their offense and they're a big name. I couldn't really blame them.

As a team? Put up against a few 2-loss squads? I think there is a case to be made that UGA would do worse to OSU than a few teams with 2 losses. If they really want the 4 best teams, I'm not sure how you can finish watching on Saturday and be ready to add them to a playoff. 

It wasn't the cold. It wasn't the snow. There was no flu going around. It wasn't an away game. They didn't lose on a last second FG.

OSU got their ass beat. Badly. Their best win is a game they barely pulled away very late in (PSU), a team that Michigan put away by the end of the 3rd Quarter. Notre Dame is better than they were but still not good. OSU played a single quality opponent that was without their best offensive and defensive player, and got waxed by 22. If that doesn't disqualify you I'm not sure what does.

SF Wolverine

November 27th, 2022 at 9:03 AM ^

Depends.  If USC loses, and the other conference championships go chalk, then maybe they do.  There would be three undefeated teams and only one with one loss.  OSU.  Who goes in above them on a body of work?  Two-loss SC, two-loss 'Bama?  Either one of which would be a first-time two-loss team in the playoffs?  They will have a good argument it should be them against UGA and then us against TCU.

m1jjb00

November 27th, 2022 at 9:04 AM ^

We will find out Tuesday if they have a shot. Who’s 5th and 6th bn them and bama. I think bama deserves it even less if I take offf my hater glasses. 

BOLEACH7

November 27th, 2022 at 9:06 AM ^

Well mr. SeC Herbie has the nuts behind Bama if that’s any indication … $$$$ talk and I’m alright with the nuts being excluded and Georgia spanking Bama again 

AWAS

November 27th, 2022 at 9:07 AM ^

Is a team that lost its rivalry and division championship game at home by three touchdowns while giving up five scores of more than 45 yards one of the best four teams in the country? 

No. Period. End of discussion.

BlueMk1690

November 27th, 2022 at 9:13 AM ^

I don't think they do but if TCU and USC lose, they probably have a decent shout, even though I've always thought it's quite stupid how sitting on your ass and doing nothing in CCG week is viewed as superior to actually competing. I think not being in the CCG should be counted as a double L.

And yeah I'll go on record and say that if the situation was reversed, I don't think we'd deserve the playoffs either if we had lost yesterday, especially if we had lost by 3 touchdowns.

Beat Rutgerland

November 27th, 2022 at 9:13 AM ^

Personally I'd rather have them in, (I have enough points to weather your downvotes) but at this point I think that requires a USC loss, and ND was probably the best chance for that and that game was never in danger. 

I have dreams of beating OSU in a national championship game, and those dreams can't come to fruition unless OSU makes a national championship game.

I also think they're a very talented team that was poorly served by a "lol, wut" defensive game plan. They match up better with Georgia than we do potentially, and OSU would be a better out for us in a national championship matchup than Georgia.

I'd be highly annoyed if we got a rematch in the first game of the playoffs, though.

From a pure utilitarian standpoint, it helps recruiting for them not to make the playoff, but we're going to 12 teams in the not too distant future here, at which point Michigan and OSU will both be playoff teams virtually every year, unless one takes a big step back. 

WayOfTheRoad

November 27th, 2022 at 9:22 AM ^

No downvote from me (and my only tip is to never post with that fear in mind, be yourself).

Anyway, I will say that this is the only rational argument against my opinion above and that of those who agree. As I noted, when a 12-team playoff comes we just need to get used to The Game meaning less. Fair.

However, I can see what you mean about OSU but I'm not sure you're right anymore. I say anymore because I would have been in total agreement yesterday at 11:59am.

If they really want the best 4 teams, I'm not sure OSU fits that criteria. A 22pt loss at home to a rival missing their best player on offense and defense. Their backup HB in a cast. A true freshman at TE, a major position for Michigan. Unable to throw the ball all year and they lit up the OSU defense. 

Was it the defensive scheme? Sure. A lot of it was but I no longer think they'd do any better running some base. UM would just blow through that. UGA would absolutely blow through that.

It comes down to who gives UGA a game and I'm not sure OSU does. Not anymore.

M_Born M_Believer

November 27th, 2022 at 10:31 AM ^

OSU played Single High and Cover Zero BECAUSE they knew if they played Cover 2, like most teams, we would have paved them from the start and Michigan would have put 300+ yard on the ground against them.

This is why they never backed out of the scheme.  They felt it was the best way for them to win yesterday and it blew up in their face spectacularly...

njvictor

November 27th, 2022 at 9:15 AM ^

I think OSU is a better team than TCU or USC, but I don't see them getting in over either of them unless there's an upset in the conference championship games

The FannMan

November 27th, 2022 at 9:19 AM ^

Warren is doing his job. I expect that statement was worked up by Wednesday - they just needed to insert the team names. 
 

But, to answer your question: nope.  They spent a year focused on one game and got beat by 23 - worse than last year - at home.  It was a playoff game and they lost.