Big Ten Update: "They simply don't have enough teams to play" - Dan Patrick
https://twitter.com/dpshow/status/1303354980263436291
Dan Patrick on his show a moment ago says that, per his source, it's still up in the air, but "they simply don't have enough teams to play. I was told The Michigan teams not going to play, Illinois teams Illinois/Northwestern not going to play, Maryland's not going to play and Rutgers probably won't play."
He says they were originally going to try and start in October, but now some are pushing towards November (so no post-season play then) . January could technically still happen but it's not the consensus.
Patrick also says they were more optimistic a week ago, but now the likelihood they play at any time seems very doubtful . Says a lot players at "certain universities" don't want to practice anymore due to wondering why they are practicing when there probably isn't ever going to be any games played.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:10 PM ^
They can play. UM/MSU not playing doesn't have anything to do with the Governor. As a previous poster said, HS is going forward and the Lions are playing.
September 8th, 2020 at 2:12 PM ^
FIRE Shlissel. I NEVER liked him. ASAP
September 8th, 2020 at 3:07 PM ^
So you are also doing “dumbass”, but it’s only funny once.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:14 PM ^
Maybe that's correct if you get your news from facebook memes and The Huge's facebook page and comment section.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:19 PM ^
Does Whitmer have a hand in this? Maybe - I think you answer that question by determining just how much U-M and MSU are in lockstep as regards their opinion on football.
The only other B1G state with 2 public Universities - we've seen Indiana and Purdue at least have some divergence on opinion. Purdue has always been more aggressive and outspoken then Indiana as regards wanting to reopen.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:43 PM ^
Or you can look at the fact that MSU went straight to online while even UM didn't as a sign of their administration's approach to covid.
September 8th, 2020 at 2:06 PM ^
Yes, you could look at that too.
I don't hate Whitmer - but I do see her as a more political creature than most politicians. Can I see her trying to influence the U-M/MSU Presidents opinions as regards football? Yes, I can.
September 8th, 2020 at 4:39 PM ^
Anytime two people agree on something it clearly must be because of the cabal of puppet masters running things.
Its so obvious.
September 8th, 2020 at 1:06 PM ^
Your distinction of 2 “public” universities is deceptive. Illinois and NW votes no and it doesn’t mean less because one is a private school. Also aren’t Michigan and Indiana the only states with 2 public schools in the league? So I’m not sure what your point is.
Also both M and MSU are run by presidents with relevant backgrounds who are presumably looking at the same state data and perhaps even, god forbid, consulting with each other. The schools aren’t enemies outside of sports.
September 8th, 2020 at 2:08 PM ^
Yes, but presumably the Illinois' governor has less influence with Northwestern's President than UIUC's President. Why I made that distinction.
Ultimately, only Whitmer knows how much she is influencing the decisions of U-M and MSU. And she won't ever talk about that, of course.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:24 PM ^
No and that's a stupid conspiracy theory being spread by conservatives on Twitter trying their hardest to make this political and blame everything on Democrats. Whitmer literally has zero control of if football is played. Not to mention she just allowed youth sports to be played in the state
September 8th, 2020 at 1:01 PM ^
I think Biden using the empty Michigan stadium in a political ad is what caused the conservative uproar on twitter.
And you're right about Whitmer. If she's going to let high schools kids play I'm sure she doesn't care what UM does.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:33 PM ^
Pretty sure this was sarcasm... And if so, it was done very poorly - hence, the negbomb.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:40 PM ^
No, it was just an honest question from something I heard the other day and wanted clarification. Nothing more, nothing less.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:34 PM ^
“I think I heard”.
JFC
September 8th, 2020 at 11:57 AM ^
The Big Ten doesn't have 14 members in all sports. Hockey only has seven.
It's a matter of posturing. The league doesn't want to compete. It throws out some new reason every other day why it "can't" do so, but it clearly can, given that much of college football has restarted (as have high school and pro football). It just doesn't want to.
September 8th, 2020 at 11:59 AM ^
Just an absolute shitshow of handling this by everyone involved.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:07 PM ^
Not really. The president's said no, and haven't made a comment since. Rumors keep popping up, but the people that made the original decision have moved on. I haven't even heard them comment on Jan football. Every story is just click bait, but people never learn.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:10 PM ^
I'm mostly referring to the B1G office and the lack of unity between ADs and Presidents. The B1G made their decision, they even released the vote tally. They should all say unequivocally that they will not be playing this Fall and March X is their date to return.
With the carrot still dangling a little bit, it just creates for this mess.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:49 PM ^
I think you are missing the point. They said NO, thru the Commissioner, and he said maybe a Jan return date. The POTUS injected himself in the situation and the Commissioner said we spoke and it was a productive conversation. I'm not sure what everyone wants. Wait, I know, for them to play, but that's not happening. I moved on after the initial cancellation.
September 8th, 2020 at 3:01 PM ^
The commissioner shouldn't have said they had a productive conversation. If he had to confirm the conversation at all, he could've just said POTUS is interested in B1G football because B1G football is quintessentially American, and they look forward to playing again when it's safe, but the decision about this fall has already been made. Instead he joined the circus.
September 9th, 2020 at 6:43 AM ^
Joined the circus by simply stating the conversation was productive?! This is the issue...you have connected dots that need not be connected. He made a blanketed statement about have a chat with the president, and then YOU get al up in arms over it because you read far more into it than Is actually there. What if we just took the statement at face value, and consider that he did, in fact, simply have a good talk with the president?
September 11th, 2020 at 5:40 PM ^
What possibly could have made it productive?
September 8th, 2020 at 12:16 PM ^
Exactly, how many times now have we heard Dan Patrick come out with a new rumor that is baseless and never comes to fruition.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:41 PM ^
I mean, he's not just making it up. Someone in Big 10 land is telling him this stuff, with the most likely answer being coaches or athletic department staff at the aggrieved schools. Aka, people who are usually important decision makers so you'd usually run with what they tell you but in this instance just don't have any real input.
There's going to continue to be a media sideshow until the schools who didn't like the postponement come to grips with the fact they lost the vote. Them continuing to leak shit to the media isn't going to change anything, it's just making everything more of a mess.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:46 PM ^
True. And this is partly on Dan Patrick for putting out grievances to get his clicks rather than doing more responsible reporting.
September 8th, 2020 at 1:17 PM ^
He clearly has ONE source who was more or less right the first time, then increasingly wrong each subsequent time. A good reporter stops leaning on a source that hasn't proven so accurate and instead cultivates new sources. Otherwise he's just spewing clickbait.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:36 PM ^
Why is it a good thing that "the people who made the original decision have moved on"? Have no developments happened? Is there no new information? Please explain the source of the clairvoyance of these demigods who are moving amongst us mortals.
September 8th, 2020 at 1:39 PM ^
Did I miss a news on vaccine being available? Or rates of transmission decreasing? No? Then what "development" are you talking about? Until these events occur, there will be no "development".
September 8th, 2020 at 5:05 PM ^
Neither of the events you are waiting for are likely to ever happen. The vaccine, when it comes, will only change the odds. "Rate of transmission" is unlikely to ever change. Watching the transmission as football is played elsewhere, as students assemble everywhere, and as new data points from the world over can be analyzed are "developments" that competent leadership ought to consider. As opposed to "my mind is made up, don't bother me with better information."
September 8th, 2020 at 12:12 PM ^
I mean, the schools said they'd try to see about late November but mostly likely 2021. Every other story has just been bad reporters and media personalities trying to generate clicks while parents hold rallies. I don't know what else the conference can or should do beyond dumb things like Schlissel going to the football team and explaining that, yes, the schools all voted to not play football until it was safer and listen to them yell at him about it.
September 8th, 2020 at 11:59 AM ^
At this point they need to shit or get off the pot.
Just call it for 2021, call practice right now a "Fall Camp" and limit them and don't make guys lives hell for four months with no reward of a game. Then set up Spring practices as normal and give guys a season off. If you end up eating ass as other conferences pull off successful seasons, you eat ass, but at least the decision is made.
At this point just make it clear and unequivocal, No football until Fall 2021. And this time make a plan for when the vaccine either doesn't arrive or doesn't make the people who need to feel good feel good that actually f'ing works.
I still think the magical cure on 4 November will make this all calm down, but who the hell knows by this point.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:02 PM ^
I agree with you. This constant vacillation (at least as much as the press would have you believe) is only hurting the Big Ten's image and confusing players.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:11 PM ^
I can't believe people think that Mark Schlissel, who holds a professorship of microbiology and immunology and a professorship of internal medicine within the University of Michigan Health System as well as a professorship of molecular, cellular, and developmental biology in the University of Michigan College of Literature, Science, and the Arts, is doing this for political reasons. Smh...
September 8th, 2020 at 12:25 PM ^
My A2 source (my mom) says that Schlissel's bungling has been opening the University to in-person classes with no plan and the faculty is "losing their shit." My mom doesn't really use that language frequently I think she was probably quoting someone else.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:38 PM ^
Holy hell!!! What's your mom's handle on CounterStrike? I need to see this for myself!
September 8th, 2020 at 1:21 PM ^
The mom is right. At least some professors are talking about a vote of no confidence and the GSIs walked out today over his handling of it and the reopening plans. I don't know how wide spread feelings among the faculty are—might be the ones I know grumbling—but GEO had to vote to authorize the strike.
(Did my PhD at Michigan, still in touch with people in my department and some related ones.)
September 8th, 2020 at 1:59 PM ^
I have a close friend that runs a dorm at another large university. Their university ended up going online only in Fall, but before they made that decision there were varying degrees of passive and active revolt against the administration going forward with having dorms at full capacity because at a working level its pretty clear there's no real way to follow CDC and state guidelines in a campus housing situation anywhere near full capacity.
September 8th, 2020 at 1:44 PM ^
Not what I am saying. I am not placing blame on Schlissel at all and frankly, think he's making the best decision he can in crappy circumstances. But asking me to believe this high pitch of hysteria will be maintained past November 4th by the press is asking a lot to believe. The 4 November cure is simply an acknowledgement that there will be less pressure about the virus due to coverage that will shift away from, 'We're all going to die." to something resembling sanity.
Again, I have no problem with the actions any government officials are choosing to take(after the arrest the mom at the basketball court stupidity worked its way through our systems). this is a tough environment.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:13 PM ^
the magical cure on 4 November
Wait, there's a vaccine coming on November 4th? What's your source?
September 8th, 2020 at 12:39 PM ^
Yes, but is it a daughter that he claims as legitimate, or just one who is relegated to the last name "Snow"?
September 8th, 2020 at 4:25 PM ^
Too bad there's not a vaccine for Novichok nerve agents
September 8th, 2020 at 2:49 PM ^
Not talking about a vaccine, but you knew that already.
September 9th, 2020 at 11:07 AM ^
I'm being about as obtuse as you are on this one.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:45 PM ^
They cannot afford a loss season. They have to try to play in Winter if practicable.
September 8th, 2020 at 1:37 PM ^
They never can afford a loss if they want to be undefeated. That being said, they can't afford a lost season.
September 8th, 2020 at 12:00 PM ^
"source" again
September 8th, 2020 at 1:39 PM ^
Cleveland born and omniscient.