Snook: OSU, N, Iowa, PSU trying to convince Wisc, Mich to do 10-game fall season
Jeff Snook, a kind of John U. Bacon of OSU football, has posted on Facebook that OSU, with the help of three other schools, is trying to organize a 6-team, 10-game season among B1G schools. OSU, Nebraska, Iowa, and Penn State are on board with the proposal, and the goal is to convince Wisconsin and Michigan to sign on. Manuel, Harbaugh, and several large Michigan donors support the plan, but Schlissel is opposed:
Athletic Director Gene Smith, with the full support of school president-elect Kristina Johnson, has been working behind the scenes for the past six days to organize fellow Big Ten conference athletic directors in convincing at least five other university presidents to move forward with a 10-game season to be played among six teams, a source familiar with the movement told me today.
In this proposed format, each team would play the other five Big Ten teams who are participating twice -- once at home and once on the road, beginning on either Sept. 26 or Oct. 3. The season would conclude by mid-December and there would no Big Ten title game in Indianapolis.
As of Tuesday night, the source claimed that Penn State President Eric Barron, Nebraska President Walter “Ted” Carter and Iowa President Bruce Harreld are on board with the new plan. The group hopes to convince two other universities, notably the University of Wisconsin and the University of Michigan, to join them.
“They really need to flip Wisconsin and Michigan to get to six schools and make this thing work,” the source said. “And they have only so much time to do it. They need to make progress and get it done in the next seven to 10 days.”
Wisconsin Athletic Director Barry Alvarez, who coached the Badgers from 1990-2005, is a strong advocate for the plan but has yet to convince UW President Drew Peterson, the source said. Michigan Athletic Director Warde Manuel, a former Wolverine player under Bo Schembechler, and coach Jim Harbaugh also want to compete this fall season, but school president Mark Schlissel has so far opposed their efforts. Schlissel, who has a medical degree, spoke in support of “player safety” after the Big Ten’s announcement to cancel last week.
“This thing probably won’t go anywhere unless certain Big Ten presidents – like those at Michigan and Wisconsin – feel the pressure from their alumni, fans and especially their major donors,” the source said. “I understand that several seven- and eight-figure donors at Michigan are very unhappy with the Big Ten’s decision and are putting pressure on their president to change his mind. And they may be threatening to withhold their money.
“If they can get six schools to participate, the remaining Big Ten schools then have the choice to either join them or opt out of the season.”
More in the full article on Facebook.
August 20th, 2020 at 8:20 AM ^
Uh. “Our own AD, coach, and players,” doesn’t mean that we have to agree with them or that their opinions aren’t inherently harmful and stupid.
Not sure where you’re going with this. But I can absolutely root for someone in a sports context and think they’re an absolute idiot in real world scenarios.
August 19th, 2020 at 7:21 AM ^
Of course this gets pushed the day after Mayfield pulls the rip cord
August 19th, 2020 at 12:50 PM ^
Seriously. Do we really want a season where we probably don't have Nico, Mayfield, and maybe McGrone/Paye/Hutchinson, but OSU has their best QB ever and a bunch of 5 stars chomping at the bit to play? I say screw that.
August 19th, 2020 at 1:52 PM ^
We'll, lately OSU has had their best QB ever each new season and since the recruiting gets better there every year they will continue to have a bunch of 5 stars. News flash...they currently have the best recruiting class of all time going for 2021. The idea that some future date will come to when OSU is no longer more talented than UM or this one star players is gone that kills us will never come. Either we beat their best or concede losing. But, they aren't getting worse in the future. They get better every single year.
August 19th, 2020 at 7:33 AM ^
If I could change the world, I'd make everyday Shea Patterson Appreciation Day AND that everyone gets their very own pony.
August 19th, 2020 at 7:36 AM ^
It was mildly funny yesterday.
Today? No.
August 19th, 2020 at 7:50 AM ^
Still gets an up-vote from me. We're trying to get him to positive MGoPoints.
August 19th, 2020 at 8:32 AM ^
I'm always here to counter your vote though.
August 19th, 2020 at 8:40 AM ^
I'm still trying to get him sent to Bolivia on a permanent basis.
August 19th, 2020 at 10:04 AM ^
I just wish the troll cave worked on mobile.
August 19th, 2020 at 12:49 PM ^
I have a pony named Shea Patterson and I appreciate him, so I up voted you
August 19th, 2020 at 7:34 AM ^
I spent 5 minutes on this guy’s Facebook page and he seems deranged. Honestly, college football is crumbling under the weight of its contradictions because morons can’t accept the fact that college football will not be played in the middle of a pandemic. If people accepted this, we’d have a season as normal yesterday and the status quo would remain and everyone would keep fighting about the same stuff. Instead, by persisting down this path, people are destroying and turning people off from the sport.
August 19th, 2020 at 8:07 AM ^
Wait, a fake news item on Facebook? I'm flabbergasted.
August 19th, 2020 at 8:27 AM ^
Who knows if it's "fake news" or not. I honestly hate that phrase because Trump and his merry band of morons have co-opted it into anything they disagree with or makes 45 look like the bumbling idiot that he is rather than what it was intended to describe: literal fake, made-up stories as part of a disinformation campaign. But this guy is ranting and raving about Warren's kid and how Warren hasn't yet moved to Illinois from Minneapolis and implying that Warren's allegiances are with the NFL and how he's out to destroy the Big 10. Just insane stuff.
August 19th, 2020 at 8:36 AM ^
So, he really is OSU's John U Bacon.
/s
August 20th, 2020 at 11:20 AM ^
Fake news means something is being reported with a clear agenda/propaganda behind it. There's dozens of fake news type stories every day. If one don't see that there's fake news out there they are either not paying attention or don't understand it.
August 19th, 2020 at 9:19 AM ^
I agree - there are people that seem appalled when confronted with the notion that major public universities might *not* have their primary purpose be providing sports entertainment to the masses.
I read a story on ESPN CFB page last night (I refuse to link it, but easy to find) where the authors seemed downright angry that this was happening and subjecting the players to this scenario because *gasp* they are unpaid amateurs. They took greatest exception to the fact that student-athletes could not be housed in "bubbles" and had to (nominally) be treated like every other student wrt on-campus housing... the nerve. Yet, this pandemic is also happening to every other student sport and organization across the country... most of which are not providing full tuition/room/board/etc. to the students who participate. ESPN often forgets that being a scholarship student athlete is a rare privilege, not a right, and that universities are not meant to be professional sport franchises.
August 19th, 2020 at 7:41 AM ^
Sounds like more made up click bait.
August 19th, 2020 at 7:45 AM ^
Bargaining stage.
August 19th, 2020 at 7:46 AM ^
Not one school is going to stiff the Big Ten period.
August 19th, 2020 at 7:49 AM ^
Schlissel et al just need to do a PFMEA.
Fill in the risks and probabilities. It will say to play the season.
Dr. Hutchinson more or less filled in the PFMEA blanks in his podcast appearance yesterday.
August 19th, 2020 at 7:57 AM ^
I've seen two reports this morning from other OSU reporters discrediting this information claiming no real "meeting" ever took place and no real discussions were had.
I feel like we've reached that stage of denial similar to a bunch of scared and angry 3rd graders when one kid states "you guys do know Santa's not real right?"
August 19th, 2020 at 8:15 AM ^
Robot Santa is real in the future.
August 19th, 2020 at 8:19 AM ^
And to make matters worse, there are people working to villanize those whom they see as having robbed us of Santa.
August 19th, 2020 at 8:42 AM ^
They should be villanized. They are robbing us of our childhood. You know, the one that lasts until 50.
August 19th, 2020 at 8:36 AM ^
Santa's not real? WTF?? HOW COULD THIS BE???
But he brings me gifts every Christmas! Of course he's real...
August 19th, 2020 at 7:58 AM ^
The idea of donors and fans (aka people with no skin in the game) pressuring university presidents to change their mind about playing a sport during a pandemic because dammit, we really want to watch football is gross.
I want football as much as anyone, but if there is ever a time not to have a season, it's now.
August 19th, 2020 at 8:21 AM ^
Is it similarly gross that older people are working at Wal-mart and Meijer during a pandemic?
What about people going to & working at all the open gyms, YMCAs with child care (mostly unmasked)?
August 19th, 2020 at 8:38 AM ^
Is the problem that Wal-Mart and Meijer are open? People still need to eat. Isn't the problem that we have seniors who need to be working at these places and our poor healthcare system? You want to discuss sufficient social safety nets?
That gyms are open now is insane.
August 19th, 2020 at 9:19 AM ^
You would be right other than the fact that Wal-Mart & Meijer do not only sell critical food items. ALL departments there are open. In fact, many/most non-critical businesses are back open and we're not seeing increased community transmission.
Similarly, gyms are doing just fine in most areas. Ours here have been open for months and with minimal mask usage, increased use of hand sanitizer and surface disinfectant, everything is A-OK. Even the pools are doing fine so far.
We need to be realistic when assessing risks.
I mentioned older people working at Meijer because their risk is SOOOOOOO much greater than that of the football players we’re talking about.
The risk to the supervised players appears to be lower than that of the general student population, either at school or at home.
August 19th, 2020 at 10:55 AM ^
Walmart is willing to accept the liability risk of some of those employees contracting covid/complications in the course of their work duties.
Many universities appear to not be willing to accept the risk of student-athletes having covid/complications exacerbated by their athletic activities (some don't even want the risk of students on campus). If a university admin is unwilling to take the risk, that is really the end of discussion (in the short term).
August 19th, 2020 at 8:52 AM ^
Thanks for pointing out the obvious flaws of our capitalistic society.
August 19th, 2020 at 9:25 AM ^
Simply putting things into perspective.
Why are we so concerned over apparent low risk to players when we accept high risk to working seniors?
Also, while we have some older coaches in the ranks, they’re making what amounts to hazard pay and can socially isolate in the booths and mask up better than most senior workers in the work force making near poverty wages.
August 19th, 2020 at 11:29 AM ^
Do you think the same people concerned about the "low risk" players aren't also concerned about high risk populations? Personally, I think we should have a system that takes care of our elders. Nobody should have to work a day in their life once they become a senior citizen IMO, unless they just want to keep working.
August 19th, 2020 at 11:30 AM ^
How exactly does Don Brown, Zordich or Warinner teach technique while isolated from the players Sunday through Friday? There is so much more to playing a sport than what you see for 3+ hours on Saturday.
August 19th, 2020 at 11:40 AM ^
If they want, mask up in N95s. Otherwise, film, teach thru assistants, etc... With all the team and staff testing going on and a semi-bubble, they'd be much safer than the average Joe shopping or working at Meijer. (IE in daily life).
August 19th, 2020 at 11:48 AM ^
We should be shipping N95’s to college football coaches instead of frontline workers because we want football? Sorry, not going to happen.
August 19th, 2020 at 11:57 AM ^
You do know you can buy N95s at your local hardware store, right?
A handful of coaches buying a few will not result in a shortage for healthcare workers at this point. That's just silly.
August 19th, 2020 at 12:08 PM ^
You realize the largest maker of medical N95 masks is still regulating every order to make sure they are going to frontline workers and Government directed locations? I’m on the team managing this.
August 19th, 2020 at 12:13 PM ^
You do realize we're not talking about only medical grade. You can order N95's off of Amazon for next day delivery. No shortages.
August 19th, 2020 at 1:11 PM ^
That's interesting when I search Amazon for N95 masks, any of the certified N95 masks have this little note: "Prioritized for organizations on the front lines responding to Covid-19"
Checking Home Depot.com and they have this statement: "Delivery Unavailable - Out of Stock at Your Store"
Would you like to keep talking out of your ass and arguing with the guy who works for the world's largest manufacturer of N95 masks and is on the company's Gov't response team?
August 19th, 2020 at 1:16 PM ^
Lol, why would coaches be wearing N95s? Masks are mandatory here in the hospital but the only ones wearing N95s are those with patients who are with Covid or airborne protocols.
August 19th, 2020 at 2:21 PM ^
You're apparently missing all the KN95s. Same thing, just made in China.
There is no limitation on masks with respect to risks to the older coaches.
As also pointed out, they wouldn't need N95s in order to be safe. Just about any mask would do it. N95 would be the ultimate and very doable if they wanted the ultimate.
Sorry Charlie! Feel free to run with your red herring however.
August 19th, 2020 at 3:53 PM ^
Ummmmm, you were the one saying they should wear an N95 and they are available anywhere and everywhere. I pointed out that was not accurate, and you got pissy about it. In fairness, you didn’t know you were dealing with someone who works in that field, but I applaud your efforts to pretend you are right.
August 19th, 2020 at 9:35 AM ^
You are bad at this whole logic thing.
August 19th, 2020 at 9:27 AM ^
The idea of donors and fans (aka people with no skin in the game) pressuring university presidents to change their mind about playing a sport during a pandemic because dammit, we really want to watch football is gross.
What about the players and coaches who want to play?
August 19th, 2020 at 7:59 AM ^
One unanswered question: As the SEC North Division, will the winner be eligible for the SEC Title game?
August 19th, 2020 at 8:03 AM ^
That’s all fine and dandy, Gene. What protocols are you putting in place to ensure protection from COVID, testing, quarantine, etc? It doesn’t seem like that’s being answered here. Just because your boys want to play football doesn’t mean they’re going to get to.
Guess you’re finally going to find out what happens when your football team doesn’t get its way.
August 19th, 2020 at 8:10 AM ^
Wouldn't Ronnie Green, Chancellor of Nebraska, be the one negotiating something like this? I call bullshit.
August 19th, 2020 at 8:18 AM ^
Just stop with this garbage. No they aren't.