99.7% of Notre Dame Students Test Covd Negative
Nearly 12,000 tests conducted of pre-matriculation students. 33 were positive. 33. Those 33 cannot arrive on campus until cleared by medical professionals. Schlissel couldn't have coordinated something like this? Maybe Warde could have figured out a plan for 100 kids and worked with the 13 other B1G school's athletic programs? That would have been about one tenth of what these guys have done.
"What's my risk for Covd this Fall, Mr./Mrs. Power 5 athletic director?"
"That's a great question, son. Every school should be able go give you a tangible answer for this. At Notre Dame, we can tell you we conducted 12,000 tests of students returning to campus, and 99.7% were Covd free."
"That's a pretty good fucking answer. Michigan, Big Ten?"
"..."
People will be safer on ND's campus than 99% of places on earth in terms of Covd.
So. How about those ND football players? Better off at home or on ND's campus, do you think?
https://news.nd.edu/news/99-7-of-notre-dame-students-tested-covid-free-…
August 11th, 2020 at 7:05 AM ^
You sound like a Penn St fan complaining about the officiating in all our games with them
August 11th, 2020 at 9:08 AM ^
I’m just curious, why don’t you address his points rather than insult him? Just because he makes points that are contrary to yours doesn’t mean they aren’t at least valid in some way. If you can’t see that there are some nefarious strings being pulled behind the scenes, you’re not looking. Masks in themselves aren’t taking away our freedoms, it’s the mandates, the stay at home, the contact tracing, etcAll of these in themselves seem legit because of “safety”. It is the same excuse that brought the homeland security, the spying on our citizens, patriot act. I’m not discounting the seriousness of this virus. I just don’t believe everything at face value like I used to. Btw, have you not heard our complaints about the officials in every game?
August 11th, 2020 at 9:54 AM ^
ijohnb posts the same paranoid garbage in nearly every covid thread and it gets legitimately dismantled time and again. The rebuttals take a shit ton more time to write than his unhinged, fact free rants. At some point, people get sick of the same posters lying their asses off or refusing to understand simple things. ijohnb is a lost cause.
August 11th, 2020 at 10:16 AM ^
The problem is that your “facts” are not facts. Most here just are regurgitating points that are speculation at best. We want to shut everything down and wait for a vaccine that will be at the best 50% effective. I saw a study yesterday that says T cell- herd immunity is being accomplished by those states that were infected at 15-20 %. I think New York had just 7 deaths yesterday. (Columbia grad. James Todero, I think. I don’t know his experience, just read it and it sounded hopeful) They are not seeing a second wave. NPR said that it turns out the virus may not be as lethal as once thought. I don’t know if this is true or accurate. My point is that there is alternate info out there that does project hope. I think many of us want just that, hope. That’s my point.
August 11th, 2020 at 12:15 PM ^
All data should always be viewed through the lens of how it was collected and what it was intended to measure. Far too often people use data to make incorrect assumptions. That said, data should always be used to be directional not absolute.
What I think is more damaging are false arguments based on absolutes. Your posts typically hold many of them. For example “we want to shut everything down”. Has anyone actually said this? Is there any reality to this? Where I live almost every store, restaurant, service industry is open and functioning at almost full capacity. I went to the dentist two weeks ago, had my hair cut yesterday, went to the grocery store last week, picked up a pizza Friday night, and took my dog for a walk through the neighborhood every night. And all of this was done in a safe manner either using masks, having my temperature checked, staying 6 feet apart when capable, or using disinfectants. None of this was overly burdensome on me or the people helping me. And I live in a state and city which took fairly strong measures from the beginning. If this is what shutting everything down looks like then I’m not sure how it is much different than life before COVID.
Maybe cut back on some of the false hyperbole and a conversation can ensue about the data, but people typically cling to data when constantly confronted with false narratives.
August 11th, 2020 at 12:25 PM ^
Agreed. You make a great, great point. My apologies for the hyperbole (whether it’s false or not? Maybe over exaggerated... everything is not shut down but some would like it to remain as is until a vaccine which is 50% effective comes. That has been touted by many) It is difficult to try to have conversation with most on this board because they feel they are the smartest in the room. Definitely will take the advice and dial it back.
August 11th, 2020 at 6:54 PM ^
I think the issue with the ‘smartest people in the room’ argument though is that the smartest option would have been to completely quarantine each state at the same time but the states that weren’t impacted didn’t see it that way. We should still do this to get to the level that we need to to make things like CFB a no-brained again but each state continues to think about themselves rather than the collective (in some ways MI is included in this). Overall I’ve thought that the people trying to be the ‘smartest in the room’ were the ones saying we don’t need to be coordinated and just need to quarantine the areas that were having issues at that time, and I think it’s been mostly proven that that was an incorrect opinion.
August 11th, 2020 at 11:09 AM ^
Because he can't address the points, he was directly called out by what ijohn stated - they only care about governmental overreach in the name of 'safety' when the wrong party (in their eyes) does it. They are perfectly fine with this agenda's trampling of freedom and open thought in the name of control, because it's the right party (in their eyes) that is pushing for it. A push, an agenda, whose ultimate goal is the destruction of this country and the ideals it was built upon. They're ok with that destruction, because they WANT it to happen.
August 11th, 2020 at 11:12 AM ^
What - and i cannot stress this enough - the fuck?
August 11th, 2020 at 9:24 AM ^
I agree with ijohnb and Jim Harbaugh, with whom I went to UM. Neg away....
August 11th, 2020 at 11:00 AM ^
"With whom I went to UM." So in other words you attended UM, a school with 40,000 students, in the early 1980s?
August 11th, 2020 at 1:32 PM ^
Slightly closer than that, but fair enough. As opposed to "Harbaugh sucks because he doesn't seem to be supporting my political agenda right now." And as opposed to "I couldn't get into UM but listen to my opinion on this," which is also prevalent on this board which is getting worse by the day. I simply state that I did go to UM and am an alumnus (one of many, yes), and I agree with our head coach right now. But supporting Harbaugh now gets you negged on this board, which I just proved.
August 11th, 2020 at 10:55 AM ^
Smartest post in this whole thread, thank you for speaking out clearly and logically. It's unfortunate that the socialist brigade and control freaks will downvote you into oblivion.
But you speak the truth and if we're going to stop their agenda from happening, we need to keep speaking it.
August 11th, 2020 at 11:34 AM ^
Hey John.
As to your "lifelong damage that nobody can prove" bullshit (common theme with you); if your fucking heart, or your lungs develop scar tissue, it doesn't just magically heal. Scar tissue remains forever, that means "for life". So yes, it can and has been proven. You're just too ignorant and misled about most things to process it.
Oh, and yes, it would be a terrifying society to live in if we had universal health care, or you know, didn't continue to allow wealth to be concentrated in the top 1%. Did you know that universal health care was a Republican idea to begin with? Have you ever actually looked at the wealth gap back in, say, 1950 vs today? And I won't even get into the topic of saving the environment, that's pure commie garbage right there.
Thanks John. I'll hang up and listen.
You continually amaze me, which is hard to do these days. But you do it.
August 11th, 2020 at 12:13 PM ^
Why are you always so angry? You’d probably have more influence if you just calmed down a little. You go from 0-100 in like 2 seconds. People can have alternative views and still have a rational conversation. You keep bringing up Republican this and that... I thought politics was off limits here. You must be a mod. Hypocrisy runs deep with you.
August 11th, 2020 at 1:01 PM ^
People like Tony1990 are the exact reason the rest of the world can open up and have sports and we have to cancel entire seasons. They just aren’t intelligent enough to realize it
August 11th, 2020 at 9:32 AM ^
The fallacy of this argument -- and you certainly aren't the first to make it -- is that none of these things are contagious.
August 11th, 2020 at 10:42 AM ^
What's their odds of a car wreck vs coming down with myocarditis as a result of Covid-19? Or lung damage? Or other cardiovascular issues in the aftermath of suffering covid illness?
None is likely for a young person.
That myocarditis article posted yesterday was terrible. We have no evidence that COVID specifically caused that condition in those five athletes (and it isn't even all that rare of a condition to begin with), yet now we have MGoBlog moderators jumping to that conclusion? This isn't a good look.
August 11th, 2020 at 12:39 AM ^
That's why everyone who drives is mandated to take a course, pass a driving test, be sober while driving and wear a seat belt. Don't forget the laws regarding speeding and safety improvements over the hundred or so years since cars were invented. We haven't developed a good system to improve safety for college students to play sports on a campus with tens of thousands of students who party and interact with those around them without following CDC guidelines.
August 11th, 2020 at 1:23 AM ^
[Citation needed.]
August 11th, 2020 at 1:26 AM ^
That is absurd. There are about 2 deaths per 100 million miles driven in the US by 18-24 year olds. If you assume 10k miles driven on average per year, that’s two death per 10k athletes. You’re saying it’ll be one death per 165k college athletes?
Um, no.
August 11th, 2020 at 8:46 AM ^
In 2018, there were 6085 deaths from car accidents for those aged 15 to 24. https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/yearly-snapshot
as of June 17 (when there were just over 100,000 deaths in the US), there were 138 deaths from those age 15 to 24.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863
if we assume somewhere between 200,000 and 300,000 total US deaths from Covid in 2020 and a similar ratio of deaths by age, that would be 276 to 414 deaths.
that doesn’t get you to 33 times as likely (I’m pretty sure that came from this story https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-07/comparing-coronavirus-deaths-by-age-with-flu-driving-fatalities, but it does seem like you are much more likely to die from a car accident than covid if you are 15 to 24.
August 11th, 2020 at 1:56 PM ^
blue in dc, why are you citing statistics? This board has made up its mind. Harbaugh and the players are wrong and they are so stupidly wrong that we, the informed, need to protect them from themselves.
August 11th, 2020 at 12:03 AM ^
All this means is that, just before the start of the school year and NDs football season, ND's campus is a safe place for a student to be as long as Brian Kelly doesn't tell you to climb aboard a scissor lift platform.
August 11th, 2020 at 12:06 AM ^
As others point out, this isn’t a guaranty that ND will remain 99.7% virus free. But, with proper protocols on campus, it’s a damn good start. While not feasible to the extent that the nba and nhl are doing, a school like ND could conceivably implement a bubble-light approach. Ask students to remain within the confines of south bend as much as feasibly possible, to avoid large indoor setting outside of campus, to wear masks when social distancing cannot be maintained or for prolonged indoor activities, etc., and ND can do a lot to control the virus with this as a jumping off point. I would also add regular testing of students if practical, And having a good tracking program. With these types of measures, ND students may be able to see some degree of campus normalcy. The reality is that college students are going to congregate, to attend parties, to try to meet people to have sex with, to drink in group settings and to do all of the other things that college minds do. Starting with such a low initial infection rate and then implementing measures to try to keep it there while recognizing that we can’t Realistically expect people to avoid somewhat normal mingling is the best bet if containing this.
August 11th, 2020 at 8:42 AM ^
I think those ideas are legitimately feasible for groups on the size of athletic teams. I think it is why the coaches and players are pushing for the announcement to not be made, today.
Similar to what you state at the end, I have zero belief that those protocols can hold up to the full student body and staff. That is why, in my opinion, postponing or going online is the responsible way to run the school.
August 11th, 2020 at 8:44 AM ^
Maybe the ND students could agree to have GPS chips implanted for a giant contact tracing experiment. Maybe an app could be then written to show which restaurants are busy, which library’s are empty, which students are with others and where.
Sounds like a Disney world app or parallel universe opportunity to me
August 11th, 2020 at 12:17 AM ^
I agree with this. College campuses can do a better job with containing the virus than most communities. 99.7% is an incredible number, and with the right precautions (keeping those who tested positive quarantined for the right amount of time), this number should stay steady.
August 11th, 2020 at 6:16 AM ^
Your argument has a logical fallacy. Those students were tested before arriving on campus. It says a lot about how staying off campus kept those students safe.
There's no evidence that college campuses do a better job of containing the virus that I'm aware of. While Notre Dame is off to a great start, I'd caution against overconfidence, particularly dangerous in the college student age range. One need only look at what happened in E Lansing.
To the OP, most universities are requiring students to get negative tests before arriving on campus. You're not hearing about their numbers yet because Notre Dame moved up their class schedule. Their students are starting fall classes before everyone else.
August 11th, 2020 at 9:04 AM ^
" Those students were tested before arriving on campus. It says a lot about how staying off campus kept those students safe. "
Exactly. I don't know how this is lost on so many posters on the thread.
Look, I don't know what the future holds and I don't pretend to have the answer. But you simply cannot take this statistic and conclude "See - returning to campus is safe!".
August 11th, 2020 at 9:24 AM ^
Miggle,
I appreciate your counterpoint. You’re right, we don’t know for sure if college campuses are the safest option, looking at East Lansing as an example.
August 11th, 2020 at 11:44 AM ^
Then why did you state that they are, as if it's a fact?
August 11th, 2020 at 12:20 AM ^
Why do you keep spelling it wrong?
August 11th, 2020 at 12:43 AM ^
To quickly and easily show he has no idea what he's talking about
August 11th, 2020 at 7:35 AM ^
Came here to ask that. Read this far and still don’t get it.
August 11th, 2020 at 12:21 AM ^
What's the point of this? Notre Dame is a tiny private school that's not in our conference
Try extrapolating meaning and be able to apply it to MSU and OSU's student bodies, two of the largest in the country
August 11th, 2020 at 12:34 AM ^
We're totally fucked. You virus deniers, anti-maskers, anti-science idiots are unrelentingly stupid. Your lack or critical thinking skills have held this nation hostage.
It's a fucking air-born contagion virus - by definition- that can spread exponentially at any point in time, and has proven to do so, over and over and over, every time it is underestimated.
CFB will not be played in a bubble, nor will the players be quarantined from the rest of the population - what part of this can you not understand? Due to collective American stupidity, delusion and magical thinking, I have accepted that this will not get better until there is a vaccine.
Of course, I'd assume, many anti-maskers will be anti-vaxxers, but at least then natural selection will more effectively target the conspiracy/hoax crowd.
When you take a snapshot of a pandemic in time, and start boasting about how well things are going, specifically those in leadership roles, you are simply tempting fate, as people become complacent.
Remember that genius Florida Governor DeSantis pounding his chest 2 months ago about how amazing his state was doing vs. projections? Yeah, that turned around on him real quickly.
August 11th, 2020 at 7:55 AM ^
They now call him Ron DeathSantis
August 11th, 2020 at 8:19 AM ^
On the Florida point, you are correct. He took a strong position against closings. He has held to that position despite the spike in cases. Contrast his position with that of Governors Cuomo and Newsome, for example. Have you seen the curve of daily news cases in Florida? From the start of the “surge”, the cases spiked, leveled off, and are now declining. In fact, while the start date is different, if you overlay the Florida curve onto the N.Y. curve, they look almost identical. It will be interesting if Florida continues to decline over the next month as New York did at a comparable part of its curve. That, to me, would call into question all of the lockdown methods that so many on here seem to think are necessary to curb Covid spread. Not saying that they don’t help at all, but at some point you have to resume society, especially for a disease that is not a death sentence for the majority of those infected. If you are going to experience almost the identical curve with or without these measures (while there can Be no dispute that these measures are having a terrible impact on other aspects of life), perhaps the Florida method will turn out to be the better long term method of dealing with Covid.
August 11th, 2020 at 9:16 AM ^
I trust information coming out of Florida about as much as I trust anything coming from the Trump administration.
August 11th, 2020 at 10:25 AM ^
Florida, with the third largest population in the country, has the second most confirmed COVID cases and sixth-most deaths. That's not particularly odd.
People should be careful about getting conspiratorial about everything. That's probably not a healthy attitude. (There was a social-media claim that Florida was listing COVID deaths as pneumonia, but it was based on a poor interpretation of the data.)
Viral outbreaks follow a consistent curve. If a place witnesses exponential growth, we should expect that to be temporary - it will ultimately crest and then decline, even with no interventions taken. With intervention, it should crest sooner.
August 11th, 2020 at 11:28 AM ^
You can make that exact same statement for just about any governing body. I live in NY, and based upon your comments I suspect that you and I may even be politically aligned, and I would trust the info out of Florida and even Trump a heck of a lot more than I would trust the numbers that Cuomo has put out. Let's just say that his relationship with the truth isn't all that close. That said, again, the same is true of politicians on both sides of the aisle.
Also, I know a fair number of people in Florida, and they have all said that over the past week to ten days, the number of new cases do appear to be leveling off and the hospitalizations are way down, despite the lack of any real lockdown, only iffy mask compliance / distancing and tons of people who continue to mingle freely. This is consistent with what I have seen first hand in NY. Our numbers are at historic lows - under 1% positivity rate, continued decline in hospitals, almost zero deaths, etc - but despite the "official" protocols about a slow reopening, just about everyone I know has been interacting freely, in large group settings, having indoor and outdoor parties without any masks or distancing, etc. since around Memorial days without any rise.
August 11th, 2020 at 8:25 AM ^
“Due to collective American stupidity, delusion and magical thinking, I have accepted that this will not get better until there is a vaccine.”
This is what I keep saying and nobody will believe me. You all better fucking hope that one of the phase three vaccines being mass-produced right now (Moderna, Oxford and a few others) is effective and ready to go in 2021.
August 11th, 2020 at 9:46 AM ^
This is totally unhinged, and merits response only because it's a wonderful example of how hyper-partisanship is not at all about points of view or reason. It's primarily about tribalism, and of course we all know this, but specifically it's about constructing a dumbed-down and fictitious portrait of what they see as the Other, straining to present that as factual (the anti-vaxxer tell thankfully removes all doubt of this poster's intention), then shaking their fist at them while asserting their intellectual supremacy over this made-up being. In the absence of social permission to be an outright bigot against people who don't physically look like them, many like this poster are channeling this tribal energy into partisanship, complete with stereotyping and "these Other are the source of our problems" rhetoric. I'd urge this poster and others like him to turn back from this path, it's ultimately a lonely, destructive, and self-defeating one. As it also always is with bigots.
August 11th, 2020 at 11:05 AM ^
Nice try, fancy words, shit argument - completely transparent in how disingenuous it is. Nothing tribal here, nothing bigoted (your use of this term is laughable). The "other" is not a born group, culture, chosen religion, or even party affiliation. It is a group of people who believe that their magical, delusional thinking about an earthly biological disease should be as valued and respected as data from scientists and epidemiologists.
It becomes partisan when POTUS or Governors (the individuals tasked with leading us through this shit situation) cling to and recycle conspiracy trash - from calling the virus a hoax, to the spring Easter "miracle" - it will disappear, to peddling unproven, untested or statistically insignificant medications as a cure to the disease. - And do so for obvious political reasons to DrUMB up their base.
If Karen has the right to complain and refuse to wear a mask because of "freedumb!" or because she can't get a manicure, I have the right to call her stupid and at the root of the problem. I'm sorry I don't value Bill the accountant's Facebook opinions on the virus as much as those of world class virologists and doctors that have been studying disease for decades and Covid-19 for months now.
That's not bigoted - I'm stratifying these "groups" on one thing - their complete lack of critical thinking skills. They come in all races, religions, sizes, and political affiliations. Unfortunately, one party has chosen to embrace this garbage, and we have seen the results.
BTW - is "unhinged" the new conspiracy theorist label/buzzword? Did I miss an episode of Hannity? Your banal arguments can always be distilled to simple labels - "unhinged', "cancel culture", PC-police", etc.
August 11th, 2020 at 11:35 AM ^
You forgot a few. He's braver than you. He's not cowering. You are hysterical and fearful. You might also be a condescending prick. You haven't done your own research.
Did I miss any, Bodogblog?
August 11th, 2020 at 5:50 PM ^
Will you stop with your “freedumb” shit. Cucks like you are why Trump is going to be re-elected. How about you get a life and contribute to society rather than sit on a blog and yell and scream your opinions that no one cares about.
August 11th, 2020 at 12:37 AM ^
In the US, overall positive cases (those recorded as testing positive since this began) make up only 1.5% of the total population. I do not have the number of active cases since recovered patients are not being tracked, but one could extrapolate that it would be approximately .3% IF we can take the total cases by percentage of population and divide it by the number of months Covid has been active in the US (around 5).
Someone please correct on this if I'm missing something, but by this admittedly loose math, the Notre Dame students are on par with the rest of the nation in regards to % testing positive today.
August 11th, 2020 at 7:51 AM ^
Somewhat related, I'd like to page user Sopwith.
Sopwith: What's your take on the recent T-cell findings? I have the vague sense that huge numbers of people are walking away from COVID-19 without a scratch because of T-cell immunity. (It's a vague sense because I don't have the time or background to process all the data.) Is it possible that we'll soon be able to scientifically say statistically that a relatively small number of people are at risk?
August 11th, 2020 at 10:27 AM ^
The problem is that our testing is bad and unreliable. I am seeing reports that testing is down 42% in Texas and 33% in Ohio. These are troubling figures.