January 10th, 2014 at 9:01 AM ^
I don't think the Northwestern win was viewed with scorn. I think it was viewed with relief and incredulity.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:02 AM ^
In football if you play dead-nuts defense their offense won't go off - in basketball you can play great D but if a guy is dropping them in from 30 feet it doesn't matter (just as Kansas...).
There's a reason you see more absurd upsets in basketball than football so the corrolary to that is even on the road the football team shouldn't need a miracle to beat a team that has lost 4 in a row (the basketball equivalent would be 8-10 losses in a row) whereas winning on the road against a team that hadn't lost at home means a lot more than escaping against a team that had been tanking for a month.
I'd also say that home "field" advantage in basketball is noticeably greater than in football - maybe not in points but in terms of the actual chances of winning.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:02 AM ^
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January 10th, 2014 at 9:03 AM ^
is way more prone to random results. Also, basketball.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:04 AM ^
1. @ Northwestern isn't a road game
2. Nebraska beat Miami (so they have some life)
3. 9 points! and you had to pull off the craziest FG of all time to get to 9 points!
4. We are newer to this whole basketball winning thing.
5. McGary is out.
6. 9 FUCKING POINTS.
7. Didn't have a converted 3rd down until the 4th quarter!
8. Mounting anger from football season was building up, and we look for reasons to be doom and gloom.
But honestly, I didn't belittle the Northwestern win. It was our first win in 3 weeks, and could possibly be (and ended up being) our last win of the season. I knew that. So I took it as "a win's a win."
Basketball is trickier. You will beat teams larger than you should, and some times you're going to sweat things out. Getting the W is way more important than the scoring differential.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:06 AM ^
The NW game, which I had the opportunity to witness personally, the offense played so poorly and then became a different team in OT. It was not a hostile environment, half the crowd was wearing Maize and Blue. It was a very underwhelming win. Last night, hostile environment, the team rose to the challenge in a spectacular way. As some have pointed out, on the road in basketball there's a different expectation. It was a very exciting win.
Just my opinion though.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:06 AM ^
2) any single regular season loss in BB is much less significant than FB
3) McGary is out
4)
January 10th, 2014 at 9:09 AM ^
4) NW game featured same frustrating offense we'd been grumbling about previously - no real analogue for BB
5) your premise is flawed or at least overstated - many were relieved by the NW game and many people are nitpicking the NEB win.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:10 AM ^
1) We play 30 basketball game a year, only 12 football games
2) Football is more highly scrutinized than basketball around these parts.
3) I think a lot of fans didn't even CARE to watch the Northwestern football game by that point - a lot had been burnt out by the crap that had proceeded it.
4) While on the other hand, basketball is on a nice little 'hot' streak right now since almost beating Arizona and losing its best player.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:15 AM ^
Maybe because the basketball team was actually capable of running an offense that scored points and didn't need something similar to a Dileo-sliding in the rain cluster-bleep of a field goal attempt just to tie the game... at 9... after regulation...
Oh and the whole Michigan lost 2 first round NBA draft picks this year, 3 if you count McGary.
Oh and Coach B gets a little bit of leniency seeing that he has a long-ass career of being a pretty damn good coach.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:15 AM ^
Football is held in higher regard and it's not even close. We expect and want them to win more than the basketball program. It's great that we have a good basketball program now, but I'd rather have an elite football program.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:16 AM ^
Basketball was able to hand Nebraska their first loss at the new arena.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:18 AM ^
January 10th, 2014 at 9:19 AM ^
But there was outrage over the football victory
I'm fairly certain no one was "outraged" that we won the football game.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:26 AM ^
Assuming it wasn't a snarky rhetorical question, I think the OP asks an interesting question. Most of my answers have been stated, but I'll just reiterate a few here, in no particular order
- The offense was a complete dumpster fire in that game, just to get us to the game-winning FG
- That said, people were still pretty elated that we won, not scornful
- That said, that kind of win boded (bade?) ill for the rest of the year
- People still imagine M football to be elite
- People still don't imagine M basketball to be elite
- Crazy shit happens usually doesn't happen in football against poorly-matched teams (There are HORRORible exceptions...), so you don't feel good about a close win against an inferior opponent
- Crazy shit happens all the time in basketball against poorly-matched teams (U Portland beat Gonzaga last night, for example, and in the NBA, the Knicks beat the Heat and the Nuggets beat the Thunder, both in the gym of the winning team), so you feel okay about a close win vs. an inferior opponent, especially on the road
January 10th, 2014 at 11:48 AM ^
I think 4 & 5 mostly.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:23 AM ^
football is religion and basketball is entertainment.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:29 AM ^
Wait, so you really ain't Coach Schiano? Ain't that some shit.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:24 AM ^
They're a top 100 team in conference on the road. Kenpom had the game at -4 for Michigan. They have one bad loss: UAB.
Northwestern was a tirefire.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:26 AM ^
Nebraska basketball and Northwestern football have as much to do with each other as Nebraska basketball and Northwestern football: nothing.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:29 AM ^
What's amusing about the OP's question is that - per "The State Of Our Open Threads" - the Northwestern game was by far the angriest among the wins, if you will. About 13% of all the profanity that I tracked actively came out of that game thread. That being said, people were pretty happy to walk away with a victory - the focus was more on things like 3.16 YPC and only managing nine points in regulation, three of which were scored on an FG that was quite literally a last-ditch effort to send the game to OT.
As others have said though, the expectations for the sports are different enough that these are not comparable situations.
January 10th, 2014 at 11:49 AM ^
Thanks for the support, boss. People were very unhappy after that win.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:36 AM ^
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January 10th, 2014 at 10:17 AM ^
in a bad season. You could see the program sinking to mediocrity (and worse) before your eyes.
I remember after the Akron and UConn games where the "FIRE BORGES" and "Oh my goodness, we're in real trouble!" started and plenty of posters made comments like, "What are you worried about? We won." and/or "We're still undefeated."
But by the time we got to Northwestern, it was almost beyond question that UM's pre-season goals were pipe dreams. That game, even though it was a win featuring one of the most wonderfully inexplicable plays in recent UM history (the super fast FG setup & kick), was just more confirmation that we had REAL problems as a football program. And 2015 didn't necessarily look any better (see the copious diaries about how young our OL will still be).
In contrast, UM basketball is now 3-0 in the B1G and no expects them (w/o McGary) to compete against the top 3 (MSU, OSU, Wisky) for the B1G title, but winning on the road ensures they make the tourney and the play of GRIII over the last few games confirms UM can get elite, atheltic b-ball talent (some of which are currently freshman, some of which will be here next year). Beyond that, since UM has tons of shooters, I would give them a realistic chance against literally any team in the country, which is about all you can ask for in March Madness - I can absolutely see them going on a run. I would never give UM football (2013 edition) a realistic shot (esp on a neutral field or away) against a whole bunch of teams.
January 10th, 2014 at 10:07 AM ^
Nebraska was undefeated at home coming into last night, including a victory over Miami, who just downed UNC at the Dean Dome. It was their first B1G home game in Pinnacle Bank Arena, in front of a raucous 15,000-person sold-out crowd.
Basketball is a much more random game. Last night wasn't pretty and certainly highlighted some areas of concern, but you will take a win on the road in conference play any day of the week.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:46 AM ^
I like 'em both.
January 10th, 2014 at 10:20 AM ^
No fence riding here. You must choose...but choose wisely.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:47 AM ^
I think if we won a close game in football, say 34-31, with a great offensive outpout people wouldn't be outraged. In basketball, when your offense struggles it can be the case of a cold shooting night that can change the next day. In football, when you scrap to put up 9 against Northwestern, it's an sign of an awful offense.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:51 AM ^
Because we're all dirty, dirty hypocrites.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:57 AM ^
Last night was none of that. As mentioned earlier-that was their first B1G home game an the place was rocking. In basketball that matters and we escaped with a gritty, but not pretty, win. And we're undefeated in conference play with two road wins.
January 10th, 2014 at 10:12 AM ^
OT - The place was rocking and I was impressed that every single non-student seat was filled. HOWEVA, what a shitty student section.
January 10th, 2014 at 11:13 AM ^
It was their first-ever Big Ten game in that arena, so it's not that shocking to me that it sold out.
January 10th, 2014 at 9:58 AM ^
But at that point in the football season, I was just happy for the win. So there was no outrage from me.
January 10th, 2014 at 10:03 AM ^
Michigan didn't poop all over itself through this entire game before pulling out the win.
January 10th, 2014 at 11:54 AM ^
On defense, we pretty much did. NU had an effective FG% of 60%.
This seems to illustrate that fans generally place more importance on offense than defense. In the NW football game, the D played very well while the offense struggled. In the Nebraska basketball game, it was the reverse.
January 10th, 2014 at 10:04 PM ^
When Nebraska took that last shot I was actually surprised it didn't go in as that guy had been making pretty much the same shot all night. Can't blame him for looking as distraught as he did.
Regardless, big road win for Michigan.
January 10th, 2014 at 12:59 PM ^
January 10th, 2014 at 10:09 AM ^
difference is...basketball scored 71 points yesterday without arguably their best player (Mitch McGary). As frustrating as it was to watch Nebraska continue to penetrate and score in the paint, at the end of the day, I found the game to be rather entertaining.
On the other end, the football game in Evanston was unbearable. We could not move the ball against a fairly suspect defense the entire game...9 points in 60 minutes is miserable to watch no matter who the opponent is. It is scary to think how much worse it would have been if NW had cashed in on 3-4 opportunities to intercept Gardner.
Nevertheless,
Go Blue 'Til I Die
January 10th, 2014 at 10:09 AM ^
Expectations of football fans were very high after ND, then after suffering so many disappointments, even close wins were viewed in a negative light.
Expectations of basketball fans have dropped with some early losses and injuries, now close wins are viewed in a much more positive light.
January 10th, 2014 at 10:22 AM ^
Nebraska is better than you think and I believe this was thier first home loss. Winning on the road in the B1G (basketball) has always been tough.
January 10th, 2014 at 11:17 AM ^
Around the Northwestern game, we were desperately hoping our football team wasn't a paper tiger fashioned out of the Notre Dame performance. We wanted a strong statement against a team that took Ohio State down to the wire, injured playmakers be damned. The win was exciting, but bitter once the "WTF" subsided.
The basketball team is down its best player for the year and the new point guard is decidedly not Trey Burke. Our two main scorers have already missed at least one game to injury and it's unclear how well our "big" men will hold up down the stretch. In most parallel universes, we lost last night. Our expectations have been rapidly tempered, and now we're satisfied just finding a way to scratch a win off rocks.
January 10th, 2014 at 11:18 AM ^
The real reason is because you touch yourself at night.
January 10th, 2014 at 11:34 AM ^
most notably this:
has given me 10000% more tolerance of anything bad that might happen to the basketball team.
January 10th, 2014 at 11:43 AM ^
suck a dick, man.
January 10th, 2014 at 12:22 PM ^
I'm 45 and the OP post was so weird even my first thought was "dafuq?"
January 10th, 2014 at 12:24 PM ^
In addition to what other people have mentioned, I feel like winning on the road is a bigger deal in basketball than it is in football. The smaller field of play, the sound enclosure, the closer proximity of the fans to the players, and the advent of 'spirit' sections behind the benches all make for a more intimidating atmosphere for the visiting team in a basketball game, particularly in college where the crowd is younger and more animated. So for a young team that just lost one of its best players to injury, any kind of Big Ten road win is a great accomplishment.
Comparing the two games specifically, Ryan Field is probably the least intimidating place for Michigan to play a football road game. In any given road game at Northwestern, there are at least as many Michigan fans in the stands as there are Northwestern fans. In basketball, Nebraska is breaking in a brand new arena where they had never lost a game prior to last night. Dealing them their first ever loss in their new arena was a nice bonus. Also, the Northwestern game came relatively late in the season after Northwestern had nosedived. It's still fairly early in the Big Ten basketball season, so we don't know how bad (or good) Nebraska actually is.
January 10th, 2014 at 12:32 PM ^
Aren't we concentrating on how miserable our lives are without Kate Upton in it?