Congratulations Coach Beilein on win #650!
December 4th, 2012 at 10:55 PM ^
Did anyone honestly see this coming when he was first hired?
December 4th, 2012 at 10:57 PM ^
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December 5th, 2012 at 8:35 AM ^
that I placed his name in contention. Well not really, but I plumped for him.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:59 PM ^
I did. I remember watching him take WVU to the Elite Eight and Sweet 16 in back-to-back years and being envious of them (this was when we kept finishing on the wrong side of the NCAA bubble under Amaker). I figured that if he could do that there, at a school with little basketball history or recruiting base, he certainly could here. And that was his rationale for coming here - he knew Michigan had great upside as a program.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:00 PM ^
How far can he get with 30+ win seasons?
December 4th, 2012 at 11:03 PM ^
averaging at least 25 wins a year, if not 30-35 in some years, you're looking at 900-1000 I would venture to guess.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:00 PM ^
congrats coach and many more on the way.
It just feels like Coach B is gonna be here for a long time building the program back to where it should be.
Great coaching, great recruiting now for the last couple years and going forward, great school, great fanbase....everything is great! Go Blue!!!
December 5th, 2012 at 8:38 AM ^
to imagine him settling into a Woodensque long tenure.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:25 AM ^
This one? Yes.
The one about how we're a little worried that we're getting too many one-and-done type players and that we might only have a top five team in some years? No, didn't see that one coming.
EDIT: This was intended as a response to the "Did anyone see this coming?" post above.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:30 PM ^
Congratulations to John Beilein! What a nice victory #650 was as well.
As a bit of trivia, he is the only coach to have achieved 20+ win seasons at four different levels of competition from junior college to Division I play. I could be incorrect on this, but I think Beilein is also among the top 20 winningest active coaches in Division I right now and near the top in games coached and years coached among active coaches as well.
Here's to many more wins, Coach. The program is definitely in great hands.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:20 PM ^
My uncle said he was a bad hire. He also said that Hoke was a bad hire and RIch Rod a great one. My uncle is wrong a lot.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:26 PM ^
Could you let us know if he picks stocks as well?
December 4th, 2012 at 11:35 PM ^
December 4th, 2012 at 11:56 PM ^
Let's review:
Hoke has gone 19-6 and 12-4 in the B1G while still not having his style squad and particularly on offense and he is top 5ish in recruiting on a regular basis now
while the guy before him was 15-22 and 6-18 in the B1G and recruited stupidly and had high attrition because of it.
If in 2 years we're still losing 3-4 games a year, maybe we'd have to consider that unworthy, which it would be....but I have a feeling we'll be double digit winners just about every year for a while and possibly 12-2, 13-1 or 14-0 seasons often.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:11 AM ^
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December 5th, 2012 at 12:19 AM ^
However, the lack of depth on the OL currently is completely on RR.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:41 AM ^
Both sides of this fight are silly, but this point is especially ridiculous. Of course a lot of the players on the past two teams were RR recruits. Even if you call the class of 2011 guys Hoke's recruits, the most senior Hoke recruits were redshirt freshmen / true sophomores this past year.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:53 AM ^
...and everything to do with unrealized expecations.
As a point of reference, who am I?:
I took over coaching a well known and tradition-laden college football program after the previous coach whose underwhelming recruiting and coaching got him fired after 3 years. In my first 2 years at the helm, I compiled a 19-6 record, including 2 BCS berths and a national coach of the year award. My next 3 years I went, 3-9, 7-6, and 6-6. I was then fired. Who am I? (hint: I have a FUPA)
Again, I will reiterate. This has absolutely nothing to do with RR and I never once mentioned it in my post. Hoke has done well thus far (although this season was not great by any means), but he far from meeting expectations of this program, and we should probably wait until he hopefully does so before we determine if it was a good hire.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:25 PM ^
you are the fat ass coach at Kansas and Willingham must've recruited pretty good for you to go 19-6 in 1st 2 seasons and had a crappy record with your own recruits, in other words, I don't see Hoke going 3-9 next year, just sayin'
December 5th, 2012 at 10:49 AM ^
that's cool. Blind obeisance was never my thing, anyway. And I love a lot about him. His long term success/trajectory is, by obvjective standards, tbd.
December 5th, 2012 at 7:50 AM ^
December 4th, 2012 at 11:25 PM ^
I'm so happy to see his success here. My high school years saw him get to the Elite Eight at WVU, I think it's about time it happened here at UM.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:29 PM ^
December 4th, 2012 at 11:40 PM ^
I remember that moment as well. I think Brian even had a post where he acknowledged calls for Beilein's head and speculated on what it would take for him to get fired. Then there was a leadership aneurysm, someone had to GTFO Morris' court, and things started to look pretty different.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:48 PM ^
considering his track record and the fact that he led Michigan to their 1st NCAA tourney appearance in 20 years which is something that Tommy Amaker and Brian Ellerbe had failed to do so. This is why you need to let it play out for 4-5 years before judging the hire.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:52 PM ^
you mean 11 years, 1998 till 2009 before NCAA appearance, then yes, you're right, 20 years
December 5th, 2012 at 12:15 AM ^
December 5th, 2012 at 12:25 AM ^
NCAA/Michigan won't recognize it, but we do. :-)
December 5th, 2012 at 1:01 PM ^
They do recognize our tourney bids in '94 and '95.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:44 PM ^
I'll admit, I though he was a terrible coach after that Big Ten tourney game against Ohio in 2010. I am quite pleased to be proven thoroughly wrong.
December 4th, 2012 at 11:49 PM ^
JB has won everywhere he has coached. Took Michigan to NCAA tourney in 2009.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:53 AM ^
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December 5th, 2012 at 12:08 AM ^
Also, Bradley just beat fellow mid-major George Washington, 72-68. Not an amazing victory by any stretch, but always good to see past opponents winning games they're supposed to win.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:10 AM ^
Well as stubbornly wrong as I was about Rich Rod, it's nice to be proven right about Beilein being the right coach (though even at my most optimistic, I didn't see this happeneing).
December 5th, 2012 at 12:55 AM ^
December 5th, 2012 at 12:18 AM ^
I don't think they'll be counting his wins at Erie Community College for any all time lists.
However, he'll be getting to 800 from his current 575 in no time.
December 5th, 2012 at 9:20 AM ^
I don't think the NCAA recognizes those. Only 4 year institutions.
But I was pretty conservative not only on his win total, but how many years he might still coach. He's not a kid at 58, but ten years isn't unrealistic. In basketball though you see guys coach longer than that even; whereas in football that's really old if your name isn't "Paterno." You can even win:
Oldest NCAA Championship Coaches
Coach Y- M- D
Phog Allen, Kansas, 1952 66- 4- 8
John Wooden, UCLA, 1975 64- 5-17
Mike Krzyzewski Duke, 2010 63- 1-22
Lute Olson, Arizona, 1997 62- 6- 9
John Wooden, UCLA, 1973 62- 5-12
Dean Smith, North Carolina, 1993 62- 1- 7
Jim Calhoun Connecticut, 2004 61-10-25
John Wooden, UCLA, 1972 61- 5-11
John Wooden, UCLA, 1971 60- 5-13
Jerry Tarkanian, UNLV, 1990 59- 7-24
December 5th, 2012 at 9:55 AM ^
Why no UConn 2011? Calhoun was 68- the oldest champion coach ever.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:17 AM ^
If you look at the actual page, it is from March 2011, and has a disclaimer at the bottom regarding Calhoun:
If Connecticut wins the championship, Jim Calhoun (68-10-24) will become the oldest coach to win the title.
So yeah, Calhoun is the oldest now.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:47 PM ^
If Calhoun wins he'd be the oldest. I didn't want to copy the whole article though (even though there wasn't much more). Just wanted multiple examples of guys successfully coaching at an older age.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:14 AM ^
Holy crap, I had no idea Coach K was almost 66 (birthday is in February). I guess I should have realized he was getting up there because of how long he's been at Duke, but even still I figured he was in only his late 50s.
December 5th, 2012 at 12:19 AM ^
I posted this on the game thread but I really think JB is building a program in the tradition of the very best basketball programs and is on his way to be a legendary-type coach here. His journey to Ann Arbor was long, he seemed to win everywhere and yet never attract the spotlight of the loud-mouth, egocentric types that populate the college coaching positions today. And in the same quiet fashion he's been building the Michigan program, aided by the facility improvements no doubt, but his basketball brain, values and vision can't be overlooked.
December 5th, 2012 at 2:31 AM ^
I think it's worth pointing out that his next win will be number 100 while on the sideline for the Maize and Blue
December 5th, 2012 at 3:04 AM ^
I was mildy enthusiastic when he was hired. When his contract was renewed in the middle of his third season, in which M finished 15-17 despite being ranked like #15 preseason, including a disasterous start to the 2009-10 year, I considered it an intentional, malicious act by Bill Martin to screw Michigan one more time.
As it turns out, he has done a great job recruiting potential stars like THJ, GRIII, Burke, Stauskas before they blow up.
December 5th, 2012 at 10:48 AM ^
because it's a given that a coach is a dead man walking if he has 1 year left in his contract. It hurts the team and recruiting because of the questions and uncertainity. The norm is to extend contract if he is about to enter into the final year of contract.