OT: The Official "Tom Izzo's Team Is Garbage" Posbang Thread

Submitted by O.J. The Bouvier on
Almost lost to Boise State and LaLa Lafayette at home; will finally take a well-deserved dive at (YT) Miami. They're so much more terrible than we are. Finally. Bang em if you got em.
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Jeff09

November 28th, 2012 at 10:11 PM ^

Neg away but...It's so Sparty to post threads like this.

Guys. Repeat after me: we're superior to them in literally every way at this point. The gentlemanly way is to just ignore them and allow them to suffer in peace. No need to continue to pay them any mind.

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Mhpangr

November 28th, 2012 at 10:17 PM ^

Cool your jets.  It's all in good fun and no one on here is bashing on MSU personally like they do over at RCMB.  Apparently you did not live through the decade of Michigan Men's Basketball where it was the equivalent of the Smashing Pumpkin's Melancholy and the Infinite Sadness on repeat.  For once we are on top and no one is saying we will/will not lose to them this year, but it's just a good feeling. 

Those who stayed loyal all those years and watched practically every game the last 12+ years (such as myself) deserve this.

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O.J. The Bouvier

November 28th, 2012 at 10:38 PM ^

...and think about the Ellerbe years. ELLERBE, fergodsakes. We basketball fans have seen some rough days. Who knows what the future will bring? That's not what this thread Is about. It is about having a little fun at the expense of a Midget.

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smwilliams

November 28th, 2012 at 10:32 PM ^

2012: Sweet 16

2011: First Round

2010: Final Four

2009: Championship Game

2008: Sweet 16

2007: Second Round

2006: First Round

2005: Final Four

2004: First Round

2003: Elite 8

2002: First Round

While I'm not denying Izzo gets his team into March every year with alarming consistency, the idea that he's been a March Madness god of some sorts seems overblown to me. While 2 Final Fours and a Championship Game appearance is nothing to sneeze it (we would've killed for that over the last 11 years), his teams have fallen short more often than not. That 2010 Final Four was especially lucky as they played the 12 seed, 4 seed (won on last second bucket), 9 seed, and 6 seed. New Mexico State, Maryland (hey!), Northern Iowa, and Tennessee isn't exactly a murderer's row.

Pundits were pushing the "overrated" label on Michigan despite them returning everyone but Novak and Douglas and bringing in 3 Top 100 recruits. State lost a guy who was literally their team in Draymond Green. They're a tournament team, but look for them to be more like one of those 6-10 seed teams that get bounced in the 1st round than the Magical Izzo Team of Destiny in 2010.

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MaizeyBlue

November 28th, 2012 at 10:57 PM ^

Any reason you stopped at 2002?  Because going back the previous 4 years you would add an additional sweet 16 and 3 Final 4s.

Izzo's biggest accomplishment in March is winning the 2nd game of the weekend.  He does have a few 1st round exits, but most of his exits are in the 1st game of the weekend (only 3 exits in the 2nd game of the weekend).

But the past week and a half have not been great at all for Sparty!


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BJNavarre

November 28th, 2012 at 10:56 PM ^

This MSU squad reminds me of an Amaker Michigan team. Questionable outside shooting. Talented big men who never put it together completely. Turnovers galore. Unlike an Amaker team, they'll probably be on the right side of the bubble since Appling/Harris/Dawson is a better backcourt than Horton/Harris/Abram, but they'll probably only finish 6th or 7th in the Big Ten.

 

 

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Awkward_Amalgamation

November 28th, 2012 at 11:20 PM ^

I don't see how you got that from this particular game.

Questionable outside shooting: They were 6-14 from behind the arc (42.9%). Michigan hasn't shot that well since Game 2 (IUPUI)

Turnovers Galore: Not every team can be Michigan. In tonight's game, MSU had a season low 11 Turnovers. That's actually really good for them.

Talented big men who never put it together: You are on the money on this one.

MSU did not play well tonight but i doubt they finish 6th or 7th in the B1G. If there is one thing i've learnt about bball, it's that the success of a team's nonconference schedule DOES NOT directly translate into conference success. Of course a good team will win most of their games on both sides of the schedule but MSU has lost  7 out of their 13 ACCvsB1G games and still has had success. 

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doughboy

November 29th, 2012 at 8:23 AM ^

I can't quite compare MSU's team to an Amaker team simply because Izzo is a MUCH better coach than Amaker.  I so wanted to believe that Amaker could coach a Big 10 team when he arrived in Ann Arbor, but soon learned that he was a good recruiter who was still a very young coach that wasn't quite ready for prime-time.

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gopoohgo

November 28th, 2012 at 10:55 PM ^

Really rooting for that meteor to hit Cameron Indoor right now...Dook v. the Bucknuts...

Rooting for the B1G?  Or listening to Jay Bilas' crying if Dook loses?

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ClearEyesFullHart

November 28th, 2012 at 11:06 PM ^

They dont play defense.  They just hack and hack, rolling in yet more mediocre players when the starting mediocre players get into foul trouble.  Eventually the officials just fatigue from calling fouls and sparty winds up with the advantage.  Against teams with a pulse that just isn't going to do 'er. 

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lbpeley

November 28th, 2012 at 11:13 PM ^

is garbage! Are you kidding me? Miami ain't a football OR a basketball school anymore. Back of the bus with them again.

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UMxWolverines

November 29th, 2012 at 12:36 AM ^

Lol at them for now. Ask all of them and they'll say "the reason we're so much better than scUM is because of Tom Izzo'' Not recognizing Beilein's coaching ability is gonna bite them in the ass just like it did with Hoke. That's not to say Izzo isn't a great coach, but Beilein is going to give him a run for his money.

Also, have they not learned by now that msu never starts out well? They lost to Grand Valley State in an exibition not that long ago but still went to the sweet sixteen.

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michfan4borw

November 29th, 2012 at 11:46 AM ^

he's owned recruiting in the state since after Michigan got in trouble (note: it's like Michigan has owned the state in football until recently; but re Izzo it's for worse reasons, bc msu football had no punishment in football to put it at a disadvantage).  Michigan is back to recruiting at those same levels now, where making the first round is somewhat expected.  Msu really needs to get Jabari Parker for 2013 or risk having zero players for 2013.  

I love to watch college basketball and played in organized games into my 30s.  It's an awesome game; and I've watched Michigan (and kept up with msu) since the mid 80s.  I just don't think Izzo coaches a game that develops players very well individually over 4 years.  He does coach well in tournament settings though.

I've said it in previous years too:  I think Beilein is a better coach, but only time will tell. 

His recruiting is also surpassing what Amaker did (which was very good in its own right) notwithstanding it being an issue raised by his early critics.

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artds

November 29th, 2012 at 8:12 AM ^

Anyone notice that their star, blue chip PG Harris can't shoot 3s? He at like 20-something % on the year. Meanwhile, over half of Michigan's team is shooting 30% or higher from 3-point land. lol

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artds

November 29th, 2012 at 8:24 AM ^

Izzo is a good coach, obviously, but there are other good coaches as well. Much of his tourney success is attributed to his teams receiving artificially high seeding, which makes your first couple games againt cupcake opponents. Case-in-point: last year, Izzo's team was mediocore and tied Michigan and OSU for the conference title, yet his team gets a one-seed and hence a virtually guaranteed path to the S16, when all 3 teams probably should have been 2-seeds or lower. Then they went onto score the fewest points by a one-seed in tourney history in their elimination game. It's all bullshit. It isn't quite BCS-level bullshit, but its awfully close.

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