Wilkins to Auburn
That was anticlimactic.
Next.
Yeah pretty much, but I figured it's a slow day and it's a change up from PSU, video games, or any other random things that pop up.
Thanks for the update.
I think that only leaves with us with one running back option in this class in Derrick Green.
I think he meant remaining targets for RB.
I'm perplexed as to why this staff seems to have so much more success recruiting the "tough guy" positions than the skill positions, at least in terms of competing with other programs for highly-sought-after recruits. I wonder what the reason is.
Darboh lacked offers from some big-time programs (Alabama, USC, etc.). He had lots of offers and was highly rated, but it's not like we stole him from powerhouses. Michigan beat out other good-not-great teams like Florida, Nebraska, Notre Dame, etc.
I didn't say we shouldn't be excited to get them. I like them both. Regardless, that doesn't mean Darboh had offers from all the big-time programs.
You said scrubs. I didn't. I said our staff has had much more success competing for recruits at positions such as OL, DL, LB, etc, than they've had at positons such as RB, WR and yes, QB (we landed Shane, but him being local and a M fan had a lot to with that, and this staff has missed out on its share of QB recruits).
Do you disagree they've been more competitive with the first group than the second?
I think he just means that we've been able to snag several blue chip guys at other positions, but seem to struggle to reel in those same level guys at RB and WR. I like the guys we have but we haven't really landed a blue chipper at those spots yet and have been in on a few that have gotten away. I attribute it more to just the way the cookie crumbles and think it'll change eventually but there's definitely truth in the statement.
We have had more success landing higher rated recruits on the Defensive side of the ball and in the trenches because the trenches and our entire defense was singled out by the staff as needing the most attention.
I assume the attention the coaches give to each position group evens out once they have depth on both sides of the ball. Thus, the number of "elite" recruits in each position group follows suit.
I believe this philosophy needs little debate if you were around for the RR debacle when it came to recruiting.
That's exactly what I think. Honestly if I were a Lineman I would believe I would relate to and like Hoke more. Thus increasing my chances of coming to Michigan. Linebacker and DB I think have a lot to do with Mattison as a great recruiter and the Ravens...mainly Suggs (yes I know DL), Lewis and Reed.
The other thing I think that is being overlooked is that there haven't been as many stuf WR's and RB's in the midwest that we weren't at a major disadvantage with from the start. I guess Isaac and Burbridge are the only two i consider but include Dunn if you want. But look at other positions you are considering great...we wanted Elmer badly but he chose ND, missed on Garnett (yes from WA but still), Reeves. Local guys who we never really stood a chance with include Jaylon Smith, Adam Brenneman, Billy Price, and Cam Burrows so no one complains about that. I think your mind seems to forget guys you missed on, or would have liked if you stood a chance, as long as you end up with another "consensus 4 star" (for those who love their rankings). The problem is that your majority of 4 and 5 star WR's and Running backs haven't been in the midwest the last two years, so if you miss the guy you really wanted you end up with a "mediocre 4 star or high 3 star"** which makes you remember missing the guy you wanted more.
**- Wow we are incredibly spoiled. The fact that people think there are mediocre 4 stars and then better yet, some complain about them, is hilarious.
I understand both points and honestly think it is probably a decent combination of the two.
just a guess, but I think him being from Warren and not SEC country probably played some role in him committing to Michgian.
To Michigan State then.
Tremendous: You love Michigan. That being said, would you be committed here and now if Rich Rodriguez was still coaching in Ann Arbor?
Shane: Honestly? I hated the offense he ran. That's not how I would have wanted to play college football. I'm not saying that I would or wouldn't be committed because the coaches that are in place now are a huge reason why I made such an early commitment.
http://www.michigantremendous.com/2012/01/tremendous-makes-friends-with…
Not that "big" of a get because he only had offers from Cinci and MSU outside of M
I feel like our coaches have a grind it out, defense-first, victory in the trenches mentality. This works wonders for Defensive recruiting and Line-man recruiting.
It doesnt feel like a doctrine which emphasizes high-flying offensive attacks seen as being attractive to the home-run threat RB's and the take-the-top-off-the-defense WR's of the world.
Kids are just doing their best to look out for their football futures in the only way they know how.
I agree, but let's keep in mind that Hoke hasn't had long to recruit elite recruits. He's struck out on several (Ty Isaac, Eldridge Massington, etc.), but there's still a chance with Laquon Treadwell and Derrick Green. If those two guys end up picking Michigan, then this argument is null and void. I'll give credit or blame to Hoke for the guys who signed in 2012, but we should remember that he only had a chance to start recruiting those kids in January of their junior years, so he was a little behind the game...
The jury is still out on this question. My hypothesis might (and probably will) be proven trash when Treadwell commits.
I hadn't thought about your other point of how long Hoke has been recruiting these elite guys. A significant point considering that these type of elite players have been on the radar of major programs longer than Hoke could have been recruiting them.
I think it also has to do with the fact that other major programs seem more willing to make extravegant promises to players concerning the offensive plan being built around them that Hoke and Co. seem unwilling to make.
Extravegant promises? Is this NCAA 13?
Real people make big promises to other real people all the time. Sometimes those people are coaches and players of American football at the college or highschool level of competition.
Personally, if i were a RB/WR recruit, I would look at Michigan's 1) depth chart 2) recent Oline recruits and 3) Shane Morris (moreso for WR), and see an incredible opportunity to play and succeed down the line.
But obviously the kids are turned off by something. Im willing to bet its not the coaches. My guess would be:
1. We havent had a WR put up big numbers in a few years (since manningham). Obviously, this has a lot to do with WR and QB personnel.
2. We havent had any recent RBs with a lot of NFL success
If I were a recruit, I would be more inclined to look at the coaches' and school's recent products. Hoke and Borges did well at SDSU, but none of those guys are household names. And while Borges coached Jason Campbell, Ronnie Brown, and Cadillac Williams at Auburn, that was back when these kids were in 3rd or 4th grade.
There are a lot of good recruiting pitches, but "See this NFL superstar? I coached him" can only really be used by Mattison (Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, Ray Lewis, etc.)...and we're not having many issues recruiting defensive backs, linebackers, or defensive linemen.
Magnus makes more than a salient point. Offensively, we just don't know who we are yet. It reasonably could take 3-5 more years before things "stablize", if such a thing truly happens anymore in CFB recruiting and scholly/rosters openings. Hopefully sooner, where kids like Treadwell commit on the spot like York and Stribling (SP?), but things will be fine for us. We need to just focus on the now. This will be a very exciting fall.
3. As someone pointed out yesterday we are still in the whole offensive transition period in regards to MANBALL so its a lot like "Hey, were going to do awesome things" rather than "We've done this and had this success".
Flip side; with the line we've recruited I would have thought blue chip RBs would be knocking our doors down, instead of having to turn blue chip lineman away because we were full.
Sarcasm??
On a seriously note, most likely the issue is just time and seeing "what" "things" we become consistently on the field -- in particular offensively. The 5 stars, elite players (WR, QB, RB mostly speaking) want to know that they will shine and play in big time games in prime time consistently. We did well last year, but they want to see more. Plus, UofM has the stigma of midwestern winters. Lastly, its easy to see that going to school, being revered as a demi-god, with scantly clad co-eds in sunny places is hard to resist.
I mean, it could just be also that UofM isn't that first school that one thinks of as a place they want to go to school. I know that seems so unlikely, but its possible people may percieve UofM as not ideal. Impossible, I know!
the dreaded double post!
Now, your handle can be, "magnus_caerulus_duplicis."
Yawn.
No need to apologize for passing on relevant information in a timely matter.
another example of Auburn paying more than Alabama? Just kidding of course (kinda).
Auburn is just handing out ducketts left and right.. Smells of the SMU glory days.. Stealing players from Bama.. Something is up..Nobody wants to play for Dooley and Rocky Top anymore
The thing that continually puzzles me is the number of recruits whose finalists include Michigan and Auburn. Could there be two more disparate schools/campuses/programs? Does Auburn even qualify as a school?
Why would Auburn not qualify as a school?
I think it has to do with their library fire. According to the Old Ball Coach: "all ten books were lost. And they hadn't even finished coloring five of them."
wants a "school". Some kids just want to play football and have fun, without having to bother with inconveniences like studying. Auburn is in the south, is supposed to have a pretty campus full of willing coeds and alums/boosters willing to pay the going rate. We, on the other hand, want kids who will actually go to class and study (even if they are not taking the hardest courses available) and get nothing outside of what the NCAA allows. Personally, I am glad I went to Michigan and glad the school has a coaching staff with the right priorities.
I don't know if this is true at all, but it might have something to do with where Auburn concentrates its recruiting efforts and where their coaches have ties. Perhaps Michigan and Auburn are recruiting similar areas/kids and perhaps the coaches have similar backgrounds.
teams like Auburn, Oklahoma, FSU, Miami (YTM). If it's a final three with that ilk we usually don't get them. Why? I suspect because we are being used to classy up the kid's list. We are much more likely to win in a battle where finalists include....well....the group not including those I listed above.
YES!!!!!!!!! ANTOHER COMMIT!!!!!!!!!
As soon as I heard, the first place I came to was Mgoblog!!!!!!!!!!
your spelling of "another". You sound like you are indeed an alum of Auburn.