Commit to visit Oregon?
@SWiltfong247 Steve WiltfongRT @JHopkins247: 4-star #Michigan commit visiting #Oregon michigan.247sports.com/Board/59424/4-… via @247Sports
November 19th, 2011 at 12:00 AM ^
anyone consider Brionte Dunn "committed" to Ohio?
November 18th, 2011 at 6:58 PM ^
I LOVE that rule. Hoke's laying down the law. Personally, I dont think it's harsh .. and it's not unprofessional. It's just the way it is.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:01 PM ^
I agree with it but see trich point. Trich just wanted to get wine and dined. Something he will never do again until he gets to the league. Bit I understand hoke saving him a spot and not wanting to be reneged upon. I think Pharoah didn't know hoke's rule. He seemed happy
November 18th, 2011 at 7:17 PM ^
I think Pharoah didn't know hoke's rule
Sam Webb mentioned earlier this year that the coaching staff makes it a point before anyone tries to commit that visits mean their spot is in jeopardy. There might have been a miscommunication (i.e. Brown asking Hoke, him not giving a clear answer or Brown just not understanding what he means), but I'm sure he knows the 'rule'.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:19 PM ^
I understand. I guess brown doesn't have a spot anymore.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:21 PM ^
That's not what I mean, the coaching staff still might not have caught wind of this. I'm saying there could have been some sort of communication breakdown between the two parties that needs sorting out. I'm still considering him committed until I hear otherwise.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:37 PM ^
It seems odd that it is just getting reported now so close to the actual game. Is there a chance that he is already on campus and that is how the writer knew that he was visiting?
It seems like this was kept under wraps or it was a communication break down like you said.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:42 PM ^
I don't have access to 247sports, but I'd guess Brown is, at the very least, on his way there. Most official visits start friday evening, where prospects and their parents meet with the coaches, and then the prospects go out on the town with their student hosts. Sometimes this doesn't happen if the prospect has to play a football game first, but I believe Brown's HS career is over.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:44 PM ^
Guy who posted on Scout's free board said he knew Pharoah was in San Fran today. Don't know how he knows, don't want to know how, and don't know if it's true but it's a weird thing to say if he's just making it up. Would lend to the idea though that he would be on his way to Oregon/there already.
November 18th, 2011 at 8:53 PM ^
I agree with the rule 100%. If a kid is entertaining offers from other programs, whether it is just to wined and dined, to see the Pacific North, or whatever, they are still opening themselves up to be swayed and cannot be considered "committed". If I am happy within a relationship, I am not out pursuing a "better" relationship. Sure, there might be that someone that could possibly be a better fit, but if I'm committed and have my focus and energy on making my happy relationship even better, then I sure wouldn't be entertaining other offers.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:05 PM ^
if you are a Michigan man then why are you looking? Its a fair rule, if its for the free trip then thats more confusing becuase Eugene is bla. Hope he stays Blue!
November 18th, 2011 at 6:48 PM ^
November 18th, 2011 at 7:00 PM ^
ann arbor > eugene - im not worried.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:07 PM ^
... Like a 6 star hotel...
November 18th, 2011 at 8:54 PM ^
Tell that to Jake Fisher.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:14 PM ^
what do you think your fiancee would say if you told her "I'm still committed to you but I want to take this other chick out because she's smoking hot."
And make no mistake, that's what's happening (assuming the tweet is accurate). Brown ain't visiting an ugly girl like Indiana or Washington State—he's visiting the sexy #4 program in the country that still has an outside chance of playing for the NC.
I have no problem if Hoke says, in effect, "Fine. Next."
November 18th, 2011 at 7:19 PM ^
I used the same analogy (ish) a few months ago! You know what they say about great minds.
November 18th, 2011 at 9:06 PM ^
threesome? Ok maybe not responsive to your post.
November 18th, 2011 at 9:39 PM ^
Your fiance scenario is not the same. Before we judge this 18 yo kid, trying to make the best choice while surrounded by adults pressuring him, remember we dont know everything. Maybe Hoke is cooling on him. Maybe Kelly is paying someone to lie to him and Brown is falling for it. It's possible Hoke mislead Brown, or Brown misunderstood Hoke. Maybe Oregon is the best place for him. Does he have extended family there? None of us know these things. Hope for the best either way.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:18 PM ^
mspeedkills? Let's do that
November 18th, 2011 at 7:20 PM ^
What the hell did he do now.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:50 PM ^
in the "Pharoah Brown to TE" thread. Was banhammered. In it he indicated enough twitter contact creepiness to convince me Brown is fleeing to Eugene.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:52 PM ^
used to love that little guy
November 18th, 2011 at 11:11 PM ^
Oh, so that's the reason this video was in the upper-left of my screen.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:23 PM ^
The rule is the rule, and my opinion doesn't matter...and I always will support Hoke.
As for the rule, TRich didn't apparently understand the rule either, and then backed down. We will have to see with Brown...my guess is that he will do the same. If he doesn't...well, then he likely was a soft commit anyway.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:27 PM ^
Trich backed down but pharaoh is in oregon already or on the way
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November 18th, 2011 at 7:26 PM ^
I'm ok if he decommitted, AJ Williams can stay at TE and they can go after Garnett! Garnett and Magnuson have been bantering on twitter about their Michigan visit and playing together!
November 18th, 2011 at 7:29 PM ^
If ends up coming to that, then I want Garnett in this class too.
November 19th, 2011 at 10:35 AM ^
Does anyone really think Williams remains a TE? Dude weighs like 290! How many 290 lb tight end do we know? Plus, hes probably only going to get bigger after being in a college strength and conditioning program. My guess is that we'd roll with Funchess and look elsewhere with the spot and look for 2 TEs next year.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:27 PM ^
This makes very little sense that he'd go to Oregon, of all places, as a tight end. Aren't tight ends featured more in pro-style offenses than spread offenses?
November 18th, 2011 at 7:28 PM ^
But, I feel like there should be repercussions for someone who commits to a university, and the decommits and goes elsewhere. At the very least they should lose a year of eligibilty, and lose the right to redshirt. So, basically the first time they are allowed to play they are sophomores, and get only 3 years eligibility. Unless, there are unforeseen circumstances like an NCAA investigation or a coaching change. This would make kids think twice before committing, and teams wouldn't get screwed over late in the game.
It's only a matter of time before some jackass coach gets 5 or 6 solid commits ... conjures a plan for them to commit to their arch rival, have them decommit on signing day and sign with the original team they intended to go to ... totally fucking the other team on signing day,
November 18th, 2011 at 7:31 PM ^
Both of your scenarios will never happen.
If he ends up decommitting at least we still have time to find someone to take his place. We still have couple of months before signing day and we are still in good positions with lots of great recruits.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:35 PM ^
At the very least they should lose a year of eligibilty, and lose the right to redshirt
I think a lot of people would be very, very strongly opposed to this. As I mentioned above, it's one thing if the kid is just taking advantage of the safety net that committing provides, it's another when a kid is presented with new information or just has their feelings towards a university change. How would you feel if the NCAA told players that are currently committed to PSU that they're not allowed to look elsewhere, regardless of their feelings towards the university? Besides, the verbal commitment is entirely too much of a slippery slope for people to consider this.
I'm leaving the other part of your statement alone, but only because I find it incredibly ludicrous.
November 18th, 2011 at 8:14 PM ^
..that is all..it doesn't count until they sign. It is what it is.. Remember Kalis?
November 19th, 2011 at 9:39 AM ^
Decommitting from Ohio State was a noble act in support of truth, justice, and the Michigan way. Decommitting from Michigan would be a vile act of betrayal worthy of the loss of all eligibility. That is maize-n-blue objectivity!
November 19th, 2011 at 9:47 AM ^
November 18th, 2011 at 8:17 PM ^
I don't think you know what a Commit is. To be fair this Commitment way has been taken out of context due to the fact that LOI's can only be signed once a year. A commitment is simply when a kid says, "yeah I'm going to go there.". It's just a verbal declaration of where they are going. The system of recruiting has made commitments out to be more than what yet are. It's just a verbal pledge by a kid, who may or may not change his mind.
November 18th, 2011 at 9:24 PM ^
I strongly disagree with most types of repercussion to a verbal commit changing. As a fmr. BIG athlete I can tell you that coaches lie their absolute faces off to you and your family during recruiting. It is very difficult to discern from official visits, in home visits, and phone calls what the truth is. I was promised trips to Hawaii, new stadium renovations, and special uni # by just about everyone. Then there was the constant assurance of immediate playing time and depth chart domination with highly rated prospects at every complimentary position. Absolutely none of that was true. I cant blame a kid for committing, learning more about the real circumstances, and changing his mind. Remember, once he signs, transferring to his 2nd choice is nearly impossible so he better get it right.
November 18th, 2011 at 10:39 PM ^
But if you were promised those things, it's your fault. You were promised those things because you indicated that was what you wanted when you knew better than to believe any of that was possible. Ask somebody to tell you lies and they'll tell you lies. Ask them for the truth. If they still lie, then it's a problem.
November 19th, 2011 at 9:06 AM ^
We're talking about kids who commit when they're 16/17 years old. As a teacher, this thread is kind of depressing me.
September 4th, 2013 at 1:16 PM ^
November 19th, 2011 at 10:41 AM ^
Were you ever 17 years old?
And the Machiavelli coaching school only gets you so far.
Now what Clarett did on his official to us, maybe something there in that kind of circumstance. Even then I don't think it is in any program's best interest to go after and punish 17 year-olds.
If indeed it happens with Brown, and that is Hoke's law, then thank you very much and who's next on the list.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:32 PM ^
I'm starting to dislike Oregon.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:37 PM ^
i think it's interesting, that chip kelly has the same rule. he hates when commits visit elsewhere and pulls their scollie. i think i heard that on espn during their recruting day coverage. not sure.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:39 PM ^
We have no problem with kids that are committed elsewhere visiting us. Brionte Dunn is visiting Michigan this weekend.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:38 PM ^
Starting? Oregon is to blame for unleashing the pox on college football that is hideous uniforms.
November 18th, 2011 at 7:53 PM ^
You know, it's funny because I really don't mind Oregon's uniforms, but a lot of the jerseys that are copying off them are absolutely terrible (cough Maryland)
November 18th, 2011 at 7:34 PM ^
the Aaron Hernandez effect will start to cross kids minds a lot in the next few years. New England is a spread team that will line up their TE's to create mismatches.
I wouldn't be surprised if Chip Kelly is selling the same thing to Brown right now.