What are realistic expectations for Mike Danna?

Submitted by WichitanWolverine on May 6th, 2019 at 3:48 PM

Per PFF, Danna is the top returning edge defender in the country. I've seen several posters here predict that he will add depth, and likely not start. But isn't it possible with Winovich now in the NFL, he could lock down that WDE spot?

Size-wise he's slightly shorter than Winovich and a couple pounds heavier (Danna is 6'2" and 257 lbs per Freep while Chase is listed on mgoblue as 6'3" and 255 lbs).

Obviously there is a difference between playing in the MAC and the B1G but with the stats he put up at CMU I'm hoping he can be a force on the defense. Is that realistic?

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DrMantisToboggan

May 6th, 2019 at 3:56 PM ^

I think he can be a strong rotational piece - a luxury as a backup. I can’t see us eschewing having both Paye and Hutchinson on the field at once, so I don’t think he has a chance to start. I think he can a backup End where your pass rush doesn’t really dip when he’s in. If he has 4 sacks this year it’d be really great production.

DrMantisToboggan

May 6th, 2019 at 4:26 PM ^

I’ve watched what film on him is readily available via google, social media, etc. He’s a good player, he’s not one dimensional, he plays the run well too. His pass rush is pretty strong. He’s played a fairly low level of competition, but he’s explosive enough of an athlete that I think he should be able to acclimate and contribute.

Gentleman Squirrels

May 6th, 2019 at 4:18 PM ^

Paye proved that he could hack it at DT if necessary last year. He is one of the most versatile DL player we have had in a while. Having Danna provides Michigan another viable option to throw in at WDE where it's largely unproven besides the occasional Uche rush. We could see Danna, Paye, and Hutchinson on the field at the same time along with someone Jeter/Dwumfour at NT.

Maize and Blue…

May 6th, 2019 at 9:00 PM ^

I hear you, but I waited all last year to see a rush package with Gary and Paye at DT and Uche and Chase at DE.  I'm still waiting......

I respect what Don Brown has accomplished, but if the rush doesn't get there his D is toast against better teams.  Until he can show effective adjustments against those teams he is a one trick pony to me.

DCGrad

May 6th, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^

Solid situational deployment.  I don't expect him to start though.  I think they will shuffle someone over to the weak side, maybe Paye and go with Hutchinson-Kemp-Dwumfor/Jeter-Paye with Danna getting snaps and maybe Vilain when he's ready.  Could throw Uche in there a bunch too to mix up a 3-man 4-man line kind of look.  

HenneGivenSunday

May 6th, 2019 at 3:58 PM ^

This is a good topic.  

The thing that concerns me is that every non-QB transfer (grad or not) has been pretty irrelevant.  I’m thinking of Casey Hughes and Wayne Lyons most recently.  Danna may be different, but I’m concerned it may be more of the same.  I believe both Hughes and Lyons had some starting experience at P5 schools before coming to Michigan.  I sincerely hope he bucks that trend, but I’m keeping expectations somewhere below “rotational player”.  

FatGuyTouchdown

May 6th, 2019 at 4:09 PM ^

Casey Hughes was just because we had an extra scholarship. He was never expected to produce at all, and was brought in as a good locker room guy because we had the luxury. Lyons wasn't anywhere near Jeremy Clark, Channing Stribling, and Jourdan Lewis, and the safety play was Jarrod Wilson, Dymonte Thomas, Jabrill Peppers, Delano Hill, and a freshmen Tyree Kinnel. Lyons basically had to fight with brandon Watson and Terry Richardson just to be the 4th corner. Those dudes were never expected to play significant roles, Danna is here because he needs to. 

HenneGivenSunday

May 6th, 2019 at 11:01 PM ^

I don’t disagree that every situation is different, and I’m sure you’re right.  Just from a personal expectation standpoint, I’m not counting on him to have a huge impact.  Hughes and Lyons I had some hope they could help us out at safety or in the slot, but neither did.  I view the real depth issue on defense as DT (of any technique).  DE has some guys that have played and some others with a recruiting profile, DT not so much.  

I haven’t watched much of Danna specifically, just a general comment on where my expectations are with inbound transfers. 

 

1VaBlue1

May 6th, 2019 at 4:09 PM ^

Both Hughes and Lyons stepped into a position group that featured future top-3 round NFL draft picks and All-Americans.  Danna is not stepping into that!  I agree with your point, though - he's a good player in the MAC.  That won't necessarily translate to a starting assignment at Michigan, but should prove worthy as a steady rotational player that can be relied on.  I'm happy he'll be around, in any case...

tFerriState

May 6th, 2019 at 4:28 PM ^

Ok? I guess I’m confused why he is considered the top returning edge defender (in the nation?) yet will be predicted as a backup? Won’t that mean he is not predicted to be the top edge defender? ?‍♂️

tasnyder01

May 6th, 2019 at 5:27 PM ^

To further clarify:

1.) PFF stats are descriptive, rather than predictive. They attempt to quantify how well you DID, rather than predict how well you will DO. 

2.) They are NOT competition-adjusted. Kinda like UFR: you get a +3 for a MONSTAR-SACK(!!!) regardless of whether you're playing OSU or RRs UM. 

So, in sum. . . I don't think there's a high correlation. You could run a regression filtered by players who've both made the jump in competition and were highly rated, but that's prob a small sample.  So, I'm going with the anecdotes preceding this: other players in the past didn't make a large dent; I expect similar results here.