Urban Meyer and Charlie Strong's "Core Values"

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QB coach George Whitfield (the guy chasing Gardner with a broom a month ago) was touring Louisville's football facilities today and tweeting out highlights. This one was kind of interesting:

George Whitfield Jr. @georgewhitfield 7h

The best football programs have cultures that build young men... Like Ohio State & others, Louisville spells it out. pic.twitter.com/tPngdIm4qF

 

George Whitfield Jr. @georgewhitfield 7h

Here is Ohio State's "be the best man" doctrine.. #OhioState #CompleteMan pic.twitter.com/XJUXICTYef

I guess I always assumed these things were self-explanatory and not having to be spelled out like this. Seems like a pretty low bar for core values.

Doc Brown

June 17th, 2013 at 9:44 PM ^

A good portion of the students I teach come from not ideal homes (I teach B level physics, biology, and math). I spend a good portion of the early part of the year establishing class norms of a good citizen (ie one person talks at a time, use respectful language, cell phones are away during class, come to class prepared and on time). If students cannot handle these basic norms, then they can serve detention with me or if it gets to a point then they must schedule a meeting between me and their assistant principal before they will be allowed back in class. 

However, I would hope any high school grad would understand a basic code of ethics. 

PhillipFulmersPants

June 17th, 2013 at 9:16 PM ^

I suspect people, like me, are little surprised that words like honor, integrity, respect wouldn't be enough, but that the specificity of guns, drugs, etc. would have to be spelled out.  The former cover the latter, plus a whole lot more, for those who take those words to heart and live by them.    

But there's obviously a reason that they are being very specific. 

funkywolve

June 18th, 2013 at 9:45 AM ^

I don't think there's a specific age is there?  You can join the military and die defending your country when you're 18, but you can't drink alchohol legally until you're 21.  Can't parents still claim their children as dependants on their tax returns when the children are still in college?

MSHOT92

June 17th, 2013 at 11:58 PM ^

To say kids do dumb things and even simpler to criticize rivals, but...this elementary school version is more appropriate I guess...these are quite basic ideas and certainly if you need to specifically spell out the 'values' perhaps that says a lot about the quality of kid you are recruiting. I'm sorry, NCAA athletics is a privelage...if the student doesn't have the basics of human values in place, using them up in a meat market athletics program isn't a great solution. I think it categorically answers a lot of the questions in play with regards to scandal, even at the NFL level when you continue to focus on win over all else. And that's not to say winning is irrelevant, but where do you draw a line? Having "don't rape, don't kill and don't steal" painted on a wall to keep kids straight seems like your values are misplaced in other ways... If you need a motivational reminder, the basic honor, integrity, etc SHOULD be enough.

If only Carr w…

June 17th, 2013 at 9:09 PM ^

Nothing like a friendly reminder. I do think that this isn't just about the players they recruit, but where the campuses are located. Louisville is relatively high in crime and from what I hear there are some "rough" (?) parts of Columbus. Maybe that has something to with this.

SalvatoreQuattro

June 17th, 2013 at 9:10 PM ^

or Strong.  Many college programs have had issues with players violating the precepts laid out on those signs.  I cannot critcize either coach for emphasizing moral behavior.

RedGreene

June 17th, 2013 at 11:37 PM ^

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, 
contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders
and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now 
tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no 
longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict 
their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their 
teachers."

~Socrates

 

taistreetsmyhero

June 18th, 2013 at 12:44 AM ^

Maybe it says more about the culture that every member of society created, one that idolizes football players, oversexualizes everything, criminalizes weed but hardly sanctions underage drinking, and is in general a festering melting pot of awesomeness and diabetic aids blood.

There, now you know how I really feel...

If only Carr w…

June 17th, 2013 at 9:22 PM ^

But I'm doing it twice on this one. This "treat women with respect" bit is funny. Coming from a guy who neglected his wife and kids to the point he had to sign a friggin contract with his family, promising to spend time with them. Wow. I miss football.

If only Carr w…

June 17th, 2013 at 9:38 PM ^

On my life as a high school assistant coach, I've missed out on a lot of important things. Jimmy's Halloween kegger (3 straight years), chaperoning my brothers 8th grade dance, driving my father home after he got his root canal. Nick Saban, I am convinced, is the devil. No, he would never ever do something like that. I also want to know how Meyers contract is holding up...wait...no I don't...kinda?

somewittyname

June 17th, 2013 at 11:42 PM ^

Being a workaholic is a common problem for many successful men and women but that doesn't mean Urban doesn't treat women with respect. I would imagine wives and children feeling neglected at times is par for the course for D1 head coaches.

Lucky Socks

June 17th, 2013 at 9:20 PM ^

Besides being downright obvious to most young men, the asthetics of these signs just seem weird.  Especially OSU.  Seems like word salad with the block text, bold, and a list tucked in there real sneaky like.  I read (because I try to) DECISIONS!  Honesty, treat with NO women respect drugs stealing violence.

If I get really weird I can see:  

Honesty, treat women with no respect.  Drugs! Stealing! Violence!

Subliminal messaging?

robmorren2

June 17th, 2013 at 9:34 PM ^

I don't really have an issue with those "values", but it just has a weird vibe to it when you stick it in a locker room (or wherever they are). It seems like the message is "follow these steps and you can stay eligible to play football for us" ... rather than "we want to teach you values to help you throughout life". The "respect" one is especially strange IMO. Should you not respect men? Why couldn't they just say "treat others with respect".

Wolfman

June 17th, 2013 at 9:43 PM ^

98.88% of these kids are on athletic scholarships and if they want-they definitely need them in Columbus-weapons, they have to steal them. If this "core value" is actually implemented by Urbie, then there will be a lot of suspended players.  The school, not unlike Barry did at OU, although never publicly admitted to, could at least steer them in the direction of a booster who is willing to supply them with weapons which should, of course, be returned, like autos, when no longer at the university. This is Ohio fergodssake.      ^Never steal weapons at OH?  WTF will they come up with next?    Woodrow Jefferson Hayes is probably rolling over in his grave. What a bunch of idiiots.   I predict that sign will be changed within three days, and if not, it will be plastered with bullet holes, as well it should be, imho of course. I mean we have our traditions and they have theirs.   

onlyblue1982

June 17th, 2013 at 9:40 PM ^

"Everybody kills people, murders, steals from you, steals from me, whatever." Now maybe with these helpful signs in place "everybody" won't murder or steal. Ahh, what heights T. Pryor might have acheived has he had a reminder like this around when he was at Ohio.

go16blue

June 17th, 2013 at 9:42 PM ^

I don't have a problem with coaches trying to hammer home values in kids. Yeah in a perfect world they can be left unsaid, but I'm sure this sign actually helps a lot of kids on OSU keep their priorities straight. 

It does seem more like a list of "things to avoid doing so that we don't have to suspend you" list than a list of actual "core" values though. Treat women with respect? How about treat all people with respect. And I can think of about 100 things higher up on my list of values than "no drugs" and "no weapons." But again, those are the things college kids get in trouble with the most, so I understand the sign. Though the motivation behind it might be geared more towards "keep kids out of trouble with the NCAA" than "make kids into better men," it has a good influence regardless.

ppToilet

June 18th, 2013 at 6:35 AM ^

But this is not a forum for religion. Why do you think that these "core values" are essentially the same at these institutions? Is it because the two coached together in Florida?