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11/04/2014 - 10:30pm So a lot of this has me

So a lot of this has me thinking.  As someone who was very young when all of this went down, the only knowledge I have of the situation is what I read.  So when I read things like "railroading" and "anti-athletics administration" it gets me thinking.  

First of all, as it pertains to the anti-athletics administration, during the time period that Duderstadt was President, Michigan won a basketball, hockey, and football NC, went to 2 additional final fours, and produced 2 Heisman winners.  Maybe the adminstration didn't want athletics to be the face of the University, but I doubt that all the aforementoned occur, in addition to other successes, without institutional support.  The question of the proper place and role of athletics in an elite public research University like Michigan is something I find myself grappling with a lot lately.  Why is it that I'm more familiar with the coaches and players of LSU and Alabama than I am of the Presidents of Harvard and Stanford? When did college sports become something that was supposed to be for the entertainment of the University community and as recreation for student-athletes (i.e. athletes that would be admitted to the University regardless of academic merit [maybe kids on the edge get a bump, but the practice of accepting kids who otherwise would have zero chance of getting into these institutions because they can play sports is troubling]).  

So as far as Mo getting "railroaded" this my understanding of the situation.  If I'm wrong, please educate me.  But this is not Gary Pinkell getting a DWI or a routine DWI where Mo blew a .09 and he had to be made to apologize and could have gotten a suspension and all would have been okay.  And I highly doubt he would survive it today with the news cycle, blogs, etc.  

So here's the best account of the events that I've read and relied on:

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19950503&slug=…

So you have Moeller 8 drinks deep, screaming curse words about his wife, getting into a physical altercation with cops, who seem to have given him every chance to go home, assaulting the manager and other patrons trying to diffuse the situation, resisted arrest, and had to be taken to the hospital for fear of alcohol poisoning.

By all accounts, I've heard rumors that he had recently found out that his wife had an affair with Les Miles, and that was what set this whole mess off.  I'm sure the stress of the seasons and pressures got to him, but as I had always understood this situation, it was related to his wife (hence the epiphets he was screaming about her).  

So where is this revisionist history of him getting railroaded come from? It's not like he came to the administration and said "Hey guys, I have a problem, I want some time off to get treatment or I'm going to take care of this during the offseason" and they took the opportunity to say "Aha, prefect excuse to can this underachiever".  This was a very embarassing situation for the University -- an academically elite public research University at that, and this guy is presumably the most public figure associated with the University.  More people nationwide could have told you who Moeller was before they could name the President of the Michigan at the time.  So with all that, how do you keep him on?

I'm not trying to make him out to be some monster who should have been banished to the cellar forever or have been tarred and feathered down State Street.  He made a mistake, but that doesn't mean the mistake shouldn't have consequences, especially consideirng his job, a privilege at that, considering the unique position of athletics in American universitites, made it all the more damaging.  Can people really say that after this incident, Moeller should have been kept on considering the public nature of the position and the values the University supposedly embodies?

All this stuff lately really has me rethinking the position athletics holds at universities and the general comments I've been reading surrounding Schlissel being fired if he doesn't place athletics higher or de-emphasizes it, anti-athletics administrations, etc. I don't know.

11/04/2014 - 9:52pm also if that were to happen

also if that were to happen today, there'd be cell phone footage, high-res security footage, and numerous 24/7 media outlets that would have not let this die down. If anything it would be worse today.

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11/04/2014 - 9:47pm Dude there's a difference

Dude there's a difference between a that and what happened with Mo. It wasn't a routine DWI that was .1 over. He got into a physical altercation with the cops.

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11/04/2014 - 8:50pm Umm did you see what he did with Alex Smith?

Umm did you see what he did with Alex Smith?

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11/04/2014 - 7:59pm If you're going to have

If you're going to have football coaches be the most recognizable face of your University, they need to be held to extremely high standards.  Here are the details of the incident: 

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19950503&slug=…

He put his hands on cops.  I empathize with the guy but I don't get how you can have him as the most visible face of your institution following those details.

What kind of stood out to me also was his $130K salary.  Holy shit, how times have changed 19 years later. 

11/04/2014 - 7:34pm Is this supposed to be a

Is this supposed to be a coherent thought?

11/04/2014 - 6:55pm Quick Harbaugh

Quick Harbaugh question:

People here keep mentionng how Jack Harbaugh has been saying if offered JH would take the job.  Can someone point me to that thread? I've googled and used the custom site search and I can't find what people seem to be referring to. 

11/04/2014 - 6:52pm It's an hour and a half

It's an hour and a half flight from SF to SD.  

11/04/2014 - 6:45pm Well just like people think

Well just like people think Harbaugh to Michigan is a foregone conclusion because of the connection.  Harbaugh to the Dolphins because of the Ross connection is also a possiblity.  Philbin isn't anything special, not a bad coach but if you have a chance to go get one of the best coaches in the NFL, you thank the current guy and give him a nice gold watch on his way out. 

11/04/2014 - 6:38pm Ramzy forever earned my

Ramzy forever earned my respect with this 

11/04/2014 - 1:48pm we came here to play

we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL

11/03/2014 - 10:42pm Fuck Tom Crean.

Fuck Tom Crean.

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11/03/2014 - 7:49pm Some of these comments about

Some of these comments about runnng Schlissel out over athletics are...well frightening.  Did anyone here come to play school? If he's doing a great job otherwise and he feels that big time sports have become too large such that they are overshadowing the larger mission of the University and need to be de-emphasized...well I can't say I disagree with him.  

11/03/2014 - 7:06am Pete Carroll went back to

Pete Carroll went back to college because he got fired from his two previous NFL coaching gigs and couldn't get an NFL job or at least one he wanted. They are totally different.

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11/02/2014 - 10:22pm Ya, I guess my point was that

Ya, I guess my point was that there won't be a shortage of NFL teams lining up to get him.  

11/02/2014 - 9:16pm Or Ross saves his pennies and

Or Ross saves his pennies and gives Harbaugh the money to coach the Dolphins.  If he's not with the 49ers, off the top of my head, the Raiders and the Dolphins would be enticing jobs to him.  Raiders for his wife, mostly wanting to stay in the Bay Area.  I have zero doubt in my mind that Jerry Jones would kick Jason Garret to the curb if he could land Harbaugh.  A lot of NFL teams will be vying for his services.  

11/02/2014 - 9:12pm In regards to that, if the

In regards to that, if the Ray Rice suspsension is overturned, they can still drop him and he'll be someone else's problem or no one else's problem.  

Again, they'll both have NFL teams lining up.  I think the circumstance of Jim losing to his brother and not having a SB make it more likely that he won't be the HC hear.  

Successful NFL coaches don't leave in the prime of their career's to coach college.

11/02/2014 - 9:08pm I guess I did.  Wanna point

I guess I did.  Wanna point me in its direction? The only thing that turns up on Google when for "jack harbaugh heartbeat" is hospitalization for an irregular one.  

11/02/2014 - 8:13pm I mean even if he's not back

I mean even if he's not back with the 49ers, he'll have NFL teams lining up around the corner to get him.  I just don't get why people think he or his brother would leave the NFL to come to college? 

There is literally not a single example of an NFL coach with as much success as the Harbaugh brothers have individually voluntairly leaving the NFL to coach college. 

Bill Walsh was retired for a couple of years and bored with life so he went back to Stanford.  Jim Mora Jr. and Pete Carroll were both fired twice each before going to college.  John Harbaugh has a SB win and is at the peak of his career.  Jim Harbaugh is a firebred competitor who wants a Super Bowl, especially after he lost to his brother.  I really don't think he's going to willingly leave the NFL.  

11/02/2014 - 2:34pm What's the point of this

What's the point of this comment? Are you suggesting making a bowl at 6 wins should be enough to save Hoke's job?

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11/01/2014 - 1:17pm Is Michigan going to offer him a chance to win the Super Bowl?

Is Michigan going to offer him a chance to win the Super Bowl?

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11/01/2014 - 1:11pm Mattison is overrated and

Mattison is overrated and continues to get a pass around here. He needs to go. I'm not convinced Nuss is bad his recent track record is good but I wouldn't be opposed depending on his replacement.

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10/31/2014 - 11:50pm You've really mastered this whole nuance thing, haven't you?

You've really mastered this whole nuance thing, haven't you?

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10/31/2014 - 9:23pm Hey man, corporations are people too you know!

Hey man, corporations are people too you know!

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10/31/2014 - 8:08pm Welllll our goal of winning

Welllll our goal of winning the Big Ten Championship is still attainable.

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10/31/2014 - 1:24pm Uhh what? Steelcase has been

Uhh what? Steelcase has been Grand Rapids based for over 100 years now.

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10/31/2014 - 12:11am If OSU isn't on probation

If OSU isn't on probation they make it over ND into the NC game. Who knows what happens then.

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10/31/2014 - 12:05am Ya I'll take a mediocre QB

Ya I'll take a mediocre QB over a piece of shit like Winston 7 days a week. I'm not someone who thinks Michigan needs alter boys, but I'd rather go 0-12 than win with Winston. Dudes trash.

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10/30/2014 - 11:20pm Bill Walsh went back to

Bill Walsh went back to college coaching out of boredom. Likewise, Pete Carroll and Jim Mora Jr. we're both previously fired twice from NFL gigs and went to college. Someone like the Harbaugh brothers has never left the NFL in their prime with the success they've had to voluntarily go coach college.

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10/30/2014 - 9:15pm WVU while a good program

WVU while a good program historically isn't say a destination job. OU is and Stoops is a god down there. He literally has zero reason to leave.

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10/30/2014 - 9:12pm Lol the Big Ten has not

Lol the Big Ten has not always had good coaches. At the top it's been great but once you get past the top 3 it's a dumpster fire.

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10/30/2014 - 6:21pm Maybe someone could coax

Maybe someone could coax Suppier up north? Now that'd be great. 

10/30/2014 - 6:14pm I didn't read the article.

I didn't read the article.  It was more in reference to the general dong punch/Stone Cold Stunner feeling (I didn't wanna search dong punch at work) that accompanied this article and that seems to be the norm lately.  

10/30/2014 - 3:01pm How I Feel

10/30/2014 - 11:14am Interesting question: Making

Interesting question: Making a bowl means we won't fire Hoke for at least a month or so if not more after the OSU game.  Would you a) prefer a bowl or b) getting the coach you want in there sooner rather than later? 

10/30/2014 - 12:03am Are you fucking delusional or

Are you fucking delusional or something? The man literally gets thousands of emails per day and is running one of the largest research universities in the world in addition to teaching and you're surprised that he doesn't have the time to respond to every nitwit that fires off an email?

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10/29/2014 - 11:08pm I don't really get the point

I don't really get the point of that comment.  How did Bullough abandon his team? He got suspended for a being a dumbass but I don't think he was doing it to screw over his teammates and his Spartan legacy.  The Bulloughs are a big MSU family and he had a chance to be part of one of the more special MSU seasons in recent memory.  I just don't get how it makes sense, especially consdering our kicker's "family issue" that got him kicked off the team before the bowl, Stonum's DUI problems that got him kicked out, Cissoko's insanity, etc.

 

10/29/2014 - 11:03pm Good start to his ROY

Good start to his ROY campaign.  

10/29/2014 - 9:56pm What does it matter with this

What does it matter with this staff in charge?

10/29/2014 - 12:40pm Not much a couple hundred is

Not much a couple hundred is all I can afford as a grad student, I hope I can give more. What's your point? If you're gonna hold the university hostage to your athletic demands what does how much I give have anything to do with how shitty it is to do that and how athletics has come to dictate far too much in colleges overall?

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10/29/2014 - 12:35pm No one put a gun to your head

No one put a gun to your head and forced you to attend Michigan.

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10/29/2014 - 9:23am I hate it, hence why I put

I hate it, hence why I put the quotes around it. My point was that these guys probably view themselves in that light but are willing to hold the academic side of the university hostage to accomplish an athletic goal which I find deplorable.

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10/29/2014 - 6:55am If these people, who probably

If these people, who probably think of themselves as 'Michigan Man', are threatening academic money, they can go fuck themselves,

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10/28/2014 - 9:28pm Maybe Mattison can stay on in

Maybe Mattison can stay on in a recruiting role, but he can't be the DC. He basically improved a historically awful defense into a functional yet mediocre defense. He hasn't exactly lit the world up, here or elsewhere. Strong was a co-dc at Florida.

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10/28/2014 - 9:26pm Everyone except Manning

Everyone except Manning should go and he should move back to LB. I wouldn't be opposed if the next HC kept Nuss, especially if Harbaugh or another offensive minded coach is hired. His offensive has been terrible but there's only so much he can be tasked to fix. He has damaged goods.

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10/28/2014 - 8:07pm Dude, he had his second

Dude, he had his second stringers in before the first half was over.  At a certain point, what can you do? Take 3 knees and punt?

10/28/2014 - 7:41pm They're probably being

They're probably being penalized for not putting 60 on us.

10/27/2014 - 10:34pm In real estate, there's a

In real estate, there's a term known as OPM -- other people's money. Why use your own money when morons are willing to hand you gobble more? He'd be stupid to turn it down.

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10/27/2014 - 12:07am Only her masters. She grew up in Tuscaloosa.

Only her masters. She grew up in Tuscaloosa.

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10/26/2014 - 10:41pm He made AJ fucking McCarron

He made AJ fucking McCarron look like a real QB and not just someone asked to not fuck up.  He's coaching damaged goods and he doesn't have a single position coach of his choosing.  If you're going to be as hands off as Hoke is, especially on offense, then let your OC choose his position coaches.