Team Depth?

Submitted by bluenoteSA80 on March 31st, 2021 at 12:20 AM

How much was team depth an issue tonight. We had guys who couldn't find their rhythm worth a damn and I'm not sure there are enough subs who could come in and give quality minutes. Losing Livers hurt, but it seems like we should have enough of a bench to play at least a couple more guys.

bluenoteSA80

March 31st, 2021 at 12:28 AM ^

I don't disagree with you, but team depth has been brought up more than once as in issue with this team. When you have multiple starters who can't find their groove, a couple more bench players who can give quality minutes can turn things around. It was just such a disjointed offensive effort a spark from someone else would have been quite a lift.

Bo Harbaugh

March 31st, 2021 at 12:27 AM ^

Meh.  Choke job.  Missed layups and free throws. Poor game plan.

Going to Dickinson like he is Olajuwon is dumb, especially after a bunch of missed free throws.

Shit game all around.  

Michigan9

March 31st, 2021 at 12:28 AM ^

Not the issue at all as we has bench players perform better than starters.  It was another bad shooting night and too many mistakes.

Franz 1-10

Smith 1-7

14 turnovers 

Missed FTs

Let 1 guy dominate us

And with all that we lost by 2.  

MRunner73

March 31st, 2021 at 8:08 AM ^

...that sums it up well. My take is that Franz was the key on offense this entire tournament. My was telling friend he needed to average at least 15 point per game for keep our team going.

I don't mean to dump on Franz as he is a great player with his defensive skills. I would love to see him return next year and with a much improved and consistent shooting ability.

NowTameInThe603

March 31st, 2021 at 12:29 AM ^

I would say depth is last on the list of reasons. 
 

I think the rotations were the issue you might be confusing depth with. I’d like to see the +/- when both Wagner and Smith were on the floor vs just one of them.

Qmatic

March 31st, 2021 at 12:31 AM ^

Our two bench players were our best two players (Davis and Brown). And our 3rd best player was a former bench player in Johns. It was Smith, Brooks, and Wagner who boned us

Frank Chuck

March 31st, 2021 at 2:23 AM ^

Eli Brooks and Franz Wagner were awesome on defense.

Brook was 3-8.

On the other hand, Franz was an AWFUL 1-10 including the airball. I'm sure he would like to have those last 2 shot attempts back...

Franz even missed a layup on the inbounds play in the 2nd half. (That's when I knew for sure that Franz didn't have it offensively tonight.)

Cruzcontrol75

March 31st, 2021 at 12:31 AM ^

most college teams run 7-8 regularly.  there are only 40 minutes to get in rhythm.  we had 1 cog on the bench with a stress fracture. We played 7 but the biggest issue is that we had the wrong 5 on the floor down the stretch.  Wagner should’ve stayed on the bench from 6:13 and we should’ve rode it out with HD, Johns, Brown, Brooks & Smith.  

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

March 31st, 2021 at 12:38 AM ^

Bench was solid and easily outplayed UCLA. Heck, they were 2 deep and beat our best 8. Hats off to UCLA’s star for delivering 60% of their points when it counts.

Hate to count on frosh, but the #1 class with 6 outstanding players are walking on campus in a few months. JH is building a deep, talented roster to run his system. Good times ahead.

HailHail47

March 31st, 2021 at 12:42 AM ^

Nope. It was the starters not playing well. Davis and Brown both played good games off the bench. Mike Smith, Franz Wagner, and Eli Brooks did not play well offensively. Mike Smith also didn’t generate many good possessions for the offense.
 

Our offense became the basketball equivalent of running it up the middle on first and second down... and settling for 3rd and longs. It was not pretty at all. 

Baffin

March 31st, 2021 at 12:45 AM ^

Actually, the bench guys have stepped up all tournament. Davis being steady as a rock. Brown ditto. Johns ditto — seems like he is finally figuring things out. 

Davidson and Wagner missing bunnies, on the other hand... and the neverending litany of Mike Smith turnovers. Now, those were problems. 

JTP

March 31st, 2021 at 12:54 AM ^

Not getting the ball to the hot hands of Johns Jr. 4-5 and Brown 3-5 was the issue a lot of teams in college don’t have depth but not having the guys that were hot shooting down the stretch was a huge issue.

Ajcoss

March 31st, 2021 at 1:10 AM ^

HOWARD SUCKED TONIGHT. He blew it. Lets call it like it was. He forced it down low too much, didn’t get Eli or Brown enough shots. Howard sucked!! He needs to own this and be better.

FrankMurphy

March 31st, 2021 at 1:42 AM ^

No. Howard wasn't the reason why we missed nearly half of our free throws. Howard wasn't the reason why we missed our last eight shots, a few of which were open looks. Howard wasn't the reason why Johnny Juzang and Tyger Campbell hit so many tough, contested shots.

We lost because most of our starters had an off night. That loaded Duke team with Zion Williamson fell short of the Final Four not because Krzyzewski sucked, but because Zion went cold in the final six minutes of their last tournament game. It happens.

Ajcoss

March 31st, 2021 at 1:11 AM ^

Last 2 shots went to the guys who played the worst. Why does Smith always take last shot inside 5 seconds!?! He wasn’t good against OSU and not tonight.

Frank Chuck

March 31st, 2021 at 2:26 AM ^

Franz played ELITE defense. You can be upset about his shooting tonight but his defense was on point.

The entire team played elite defense tonight. It held UCLA to 76.8 in adjusted defensive efficiency. That is an unquestionably/indisputably elite defensive performance. But the team was baaaaaaaaad on offense with the awful turnovers and missed shots (usually on looks we normally convert).

FrankMurphy

March 31st, 2021 at 1:30 AM ^

It was somewhat of an issue. We have a decent bench, but not enough quality rotation guys to pick up the slack when our best players are having off nights.

We're bringing in six recruits, three of whom are McDonald's All-Americans. Johns will be back, Terrance Williams will be back, Dickinson will probably be back, and I'm guessing that more than a couple of seniors take advantage of the COVID waiver and come back. This team will be absolutely loaded next year.

MFanToledo

March 31st, 2021 at 2:04 AM ^

They do not have a player like UCLA tonight, step up and win the game. When they are cold, the WHOLE team is cold. Every loss this year, the entire team played like shit