Silver Lining in these coaching changes/rumors
It’s crazy how much noise you here about guys coming and going. The coaching carousel is in full swing in college football, and don’t see it changing anytime soon. With that said, pro’s and cons to this happening.
The good is for UM and all other colleges during this process. 90% of recruits signed in the first signing period, so no recruits are leaving. Michigan will be fine however this shakes out. Other coaches out there who could do the job. Personally only a couple guys I would be upset losing, (Warinner/Partridge/Zorich). Rest are whatever. Would love to see Pep go, but think that’s what all UM fans want.
Lost in this entire thing is what’s best for the kids and players. Great for us as fans to not stress or be upset about what recruits we lose, but can you imagine being recruited by a guy and deciding on a school due to that position coach/coordinator and they bail before you play a down? That’s kind of crappy. I know you don’t commit to a coach, but if you’re torn between a few spots, the coach could be the difference.
Will be interesting to see in future. Do you think more high end recruits (4-5 Stars) will wait until second signing day (February) due to all the coaching chances across football? I know If I was a recruit I would like to see how things shake out before making my final decision. During the current format though, we wlll be ok. Most schools will be. It’s the player who pays the price.
Can you imagine the turmoil on this site right now with incoming recruits if it was still the old format??? Lol, oh boy.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:03 PM ^
Do you mean GM? Cuz I confused.
January 8th, 2019 at 2:09 PM ^
A great, great coach is available is someone can tell Harbaugh to send his dad out to Kansas to hire Bill Snyder out of retirement.
He would stop all that "he's too old to coach" BS that M fans are now saying about that young man Mattison looking out for his own damn future.
And, why don't we at least OFFER a offensive consulting position to Urban Meyer?
January 7th, 2019 at 7:12 PM ^
January 7th, 2019 at 8:44 PM ^
What the fuck are you talking about? Are you having a stroke?
January 7th, 2019 at 9:02 PM ^
If you are too stupid to know DM was a typo, you are too stupid to be on this forum. You can also go fuck yourself. Probably the best you will ever have.
January 7th, 2019 at 10:07 PM ^
You are replying to yourself telling yourself to "go fuck yourself." Also while telling people they are too stupid to be on this forum. Self-awareness is not strong with you. Thanks for the entertainment, though!
January 7th, 2019 at 10:27 PM ^
I'm too stupid to be on this forum?
January 7th, 2019 at 10:29 PM ^
Go fuck yourself!
January 7th, 2019 at 6:51 PM ^
The silver lining is that it's basketball season.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:53 PM ^
and Michigan just so happens to be a basketball school. How convenient.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:52 PM ^
Mattison's not a huge loss IMO. He's like 70 years old, not the recruiter he once was, and the DL was not the elite unit that it has been in the past. Appreciate all he's done here but this is an opportunity to upgrade his position.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:11 PM ^
Yep, that’s a great take
January 7th, 2019 at 9:13 PM ^
Mazi Smith is the only recruit I recall bringing up Mattison in interviews. I checked 247 and he's only listed as the primary recruiter for Mike Morris. So yeah real down year for his recruiting ability.
Edit: you really have to go back to 2017 when he was active on the recruiting trail, picking up: Jeter, paea, Hudson, DIB, and CMH.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:53 PM ^
Did I just see on ESPN (I know, first mistake) Tampa Bay Bucs are interested in Kirby Smart? That could be big if it were to happen but I don’t see it
January 7th, 2019 at 6:58 PM ^
Bucs will be hiring Bruce Arians in all likelihood
January 7th, 2019 at 7:59 PM ^
Did the Cardinals fire him or did he retire? That never made any sense to me if they fired him.
Bruce Arien’s that is.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:55 PM ^
If a kid really wanted to make a stink, he could probably get out of his LOI if the coach that recruited him is gone.
January 7th, 2019 at 6:57 PM ^
The poor kids. Ok
January 7th, 2019 at 7:04 PM ^
Is it me or is college football becoming too much about 50+ year old men? The head coach was always good fodder for conversation but a d-line coach? It is the kids who play the game. Whatever with Greg Mattison. Go be a Buckeye and don’t let the door hit you.
January 7th, 2019 at 8:43 PM ^
It's not you. It's too much about the 50 + year old men.
January 7th, 2019 at 10:11 PM ^
Maybe one of your best posts and I'm not a big fan of your concern style. CFB has gotten to be too much about aging fans and less about the players who make it happen. +1 to you.
Yet another way college ball is turning into NFL lite... except NFL has parity, Saban, Dabo et al would not be able to hoard the top talent.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:06 PM ^
Will more highly ranked recruits wait because of coaching changes?
Are there more coaching changes now or is this the same it was last year, the year before that and the year before that, etc? Highly ranked recruits can wait and some do, but I don't see a reason to forecast their numbers changing.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:10 PM ^
I like this kind of discussion. Obviously Harbaugh knows good assistants because even OSU wants some. It does hurt the players, that’s not really OSU’s top priority though. I think higher ranked kids will starting waiting til the 2nd signing period due to these crazy coaching swings happening before that deadline.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:18 PM ^
I would imagine some kids will now wait to sign, yes.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:18 PM ^
Nice post. Tired of the whining and bitching around here from many.
We have some of the most negative wussies on this blog lately. You know who you are. If you don't, here's a test: If 80% of your recent posts over last month are negative, it is likely you are one of those negative asswipes. Check it out...
Still trust Harbaugh will put together a winning staff and team.
Go Blue!!!
January 7th, 2019 at 7:26 PM ^
The concern for me is that this might signal Don Brown is close to taking the Temple job and Mattison was told he would not be given the DC job, so he pulled a Marcus Hall out the door.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:40 PM ^
This is an offensive age of of football. We have been pumping our chests about defense in the last three years because our offense has been garbage. What we need is an adequate defense and an offense that puts serious points on the board.
Quick, no google search, give me Bama’s d-coordinator? Clemson’s? Didn’t think so.
Don Brown’s defense is not taking us to the promise land and it is foolish to think it is. Skilled teams with competent coaches gash it anyway.
It is our offense that needs some serious attention. We either need to evolve or we are going to die.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:53 PM ^
Ijohnb usually I don’t agree with you much, but this is spot on. The D will be fine and work itself out. The O and becoming more dynamic is what we truly need and should worry about.
January 7th, 2019 at 8:10 PM ^
Brent Venables is top notch
January 7th, 2019 at 8:20 PM ^
I think a lot of college football fans know who Brent Venables is without using Google. He’s the 2nd highest paid coordinator in college football. Apparently Clemson feels he’s important.
January 7th, 2019 at 8:27 PM ^
Agree. Probably best DC in the game. Rest are head coaches.
January 7th, 2019 at 8:52 PM ^
Is this a joke/troll comment? You have never heard of Clemson's D coordinator?
January 8th, 2019 at 9:08 AM ^
As others have said, Brent Venables is widely known. However, even if he weren't, your argument is only impactful if Bama's and Clemson's offensive coordinators ARE known to everyone without googling. I, for one, would have to google those names, but I already knew the defensive coordinators. OCs are Tony Elliot and Jeff Scott for Clemson. Michael Locksley and Josh Gattis for Bama.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:35 PM ^
So many people apply a dated romanticization to current college football, and it doesn’t work. “Kids should commit to the SCHOOL, not the coach.” Some kids do, some kids don’t. I know a Michigan RS Frosh who did both. Committed to one school early “because they were the first to really recruit me”, then flipped to Michigan “Because Harbaugh!” Players should fight for their teammates in a bowl game! Bowl games are sacred!” MOST players do, but only a few bowl games are truly ‘sacred.’
You’re married with kids now, and it won’t ever be like before you had kids and were dating.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:37 PM ^
I was blindsided by the Mattison defection, but the Al Washington rumors of have been around for a week or two. Gotta think Harbaugh has a short list already.
I'm also interested in the poster speculation that some of the people leaving had something to do with Mattison. Loved him when he was here, but defecting to our rivals not once but twice is sort of unforgivable.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:40 PM ^
I don’t really know what the big deal is. The guy left for a promotion that he was never getting in AA. He took a demotion when JH came to town and was passed over after durkin left for Maryland. If memory serves me correctly he was the interim during the only bowl game they won under JH. So we as a fan base should be upset because he left for Columbus? Comong!!! No way. This guy was the DC for an elite NFL defense and you think he was going to be pacified and happy coaching only d-line just because your threw some more money at him? These guys need constant challenge regardless of age. I say good luck and Godspeed.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:49 PM ^
Any kid whose position coach, coordinator, or HC changes should get a second crack at signing. It’s bullshit that a dude like GMatt can go to osu because he feels like it, and some 18 year old who’s coming to michgian to play for GMatt is stuck with their commitment.
January 7th, 2019 at 9:56 PM ^
Why? Choice of employment is not the same as choice of education.
January 7th, 2019 at 10:18 PM ^
Just no, in the real world JPC. Options are very different when you've been working for 50 years as opposed to just starting out.
January 7th, 2019 at 10:51 PM ^
You should try comedy.
January 7th, 2019 at 7:50 PM ^
Dax hill will seek LOI retraction. Or gut it out as a red shirt and then transfer. I’ve never seen this kind of coaching exodus before. Something smells in Denmark.
January 7th, 2019 at 8:08 PM ^
Never? Then you haven't followed college ball very long. Lighten up, Francis.
January 7th, 2019 at 8:03 PM ^
Day appears to have decided to not retain a good chunk of the staff Urban built. That’s a pretty big change and a risk, because who knows what the coaching/team chemistry will become. I think the churn down south is another potential silver lining. Fingers crossed for a bumpy road.
January 7th, 2019 at 8:06 PM ^
Kids getting fucked isn't a silver lining
January 7th, 2019 at 8:29 PM ^
No. But fans and this team In this current situation with UM is. I never said it was ok for players. Saying we are ok due to new rules in recruiting.
January 7th, 2019 at 8:36 PM ^
The Michigan kids or OSU? Both the Co-DC’s are gone, the lb coach gone, the OSU kids that signed to play for them should be pissed. Or does this only apply to UM?
January 7th, 2019 at 8:44 PM ^
Might this be a good time for Jim Harbaugh to consider what Urban Meyer did and what Ryan Day is doing at Ohio State? Pair an experienced, older coach with a younger coach who might be a rising star and make them co-coordinators.
Greg Mattison will be Ohio State’s co-coordinator on defense with Jeff Hafley who has both college and NFL experience.
If Al Washington is leaving and Don Brown is staying, then making Brown and Chris Partridge co-coordinators and letting them find new defensive line and linebacker coaches might work out well.
If both Don Brown and Al Washington are leaving, then Harbaugh might consider offering Greg Schiano a job and then have Schiano and Chris Partridge serve co-coordinators for the Michigan defense in 2019 and let them choose the new defensive line and linebacker coaches.
Both Don Brown and Greg Schiano are younger than Greg Mattison; Chris Partridge is slightly younger than Jeff Hafley.
Both Schiano and Partridge, as well as Hafley, are natives of northern New Jersey where some of that state's top football schools are located -- St. Joseph Regional of Montvale (ranked number one among New Jersey's football teams in 2018; from Hafley's hometown), Don Bosco Prep (where Jabrill Peppers first played), Bergen Catholic, DePaul Catholic (the school that gave Michigan Michael Dwumfour and one-time highly rated recruit Kareem Walker) and Paramus Catholic (where Jabrill Peppers finished his career and where Rashan Gary, Juwann Bushell-Beatty and one-time Michigan recruit Drew Singleton played).
January 7th, 2019 at 10:22 PM ^
Schiano?
You serious, Clark?
No on many levels.
January 8th, 2019 at 8:16 AM ^
Only partly serious. There are many reasons why Greg Schiano never would be acceptable at Michigan, and there might be only one reason to make him tolerable (if only for one year).
Just as Greg Mattison has intimate familiarity with the strengths and weaknesses of players who will be returning to Michigan next season and how Michigan's coaches prepared for Ohio State, Greg Schiano should be very familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of Ohio State's returning players and how Ohio State's coaches prepared for Michigan. Was it Sun Tzu who said something about the advantage in battle of knowing your enemy?
I'm fully serious about suggesting that it might be a good time to elevate Chris Partridge to Co-Coordinator of Michigan's defense.
January 7th, 2019 at 8:47 PM ^
The silver lining is OSU takes another step back. They lost their Co-DC to Oklahoma and replaced him with Mattison. Things are looking up for Michigan. Go Blue!