|01/24/2019 - 11:22am||As much as everyone else I’m…||
As much as everyone else I’m glad Pep is out as passing game coordinator. But some of you are irrational with your hate for the man. Let’s get some context on Speight’s fall from grace. Number 1 he lost a senior laden offensive line. While that line wasn’t great in run blocking it was a good pass blocking line. The following season it turned into an historically bad O-line. Number 2 Speight lost all of his top receivers. They were replaced by true freshman. Not to mention he lost the most college ready one (Black) for the season in the second game. Number 3 and this ones underrated. Losing Deveon Smith as a pass blocker was devastating. None of our other backs were capable pass blockers that season. Then you throw a redshirt freshman into that mess and we saw the results.
Again. I’m not a Pep apologist. I’ve been calling for him to be replaced as passing game coordinator. But if we’re talking best possible coaching staff I’d say Gattis being WR/ OC, and Pep being QB coach is the best outcome.
|01/23/2019 - 10:51am||Agree completely. He’s an…||
Agree completely. He’s an overqualified and overpaid QB coach. I don’t like his coordination of the passing game and he’s no longer in charge of that. However he should do fine with his sole focus as the QBs coach. Plus Gattis can coach the WRs and groom McDaniels or Roundtree to be the next guy.
|01/16/2019 - 3:35pm||I won’t dispute that since I…||
I won’t dispute that since I don’t read the NCAA transfer rule book, but that doesn’t change that their reasons for transferring are different. One guy transferred due to NCAA sanctions. The other is either transferring because he’s not the starter, or because he doesn’t feel safe at Georgia due to a baseball teammate saying the N word in the stands. And as any University should he was given the boot because of it.
As others have pointed out they should do away with the rule all together if he’s granted eligibility because of it. He could transfer to any university in the country, and I guarantee someone at that university will use the N word in reference to him or someone on the team. It’s not right, but that’s how the world is. Both he and his lawyer know that. If he was coming to Michigan I’d cheer for him to be eligible, but I don't think he should be granted a waiver.
|01/16/2019 - 2:57pm||No one should say how he…||
No one should say how he should feel. That doesn’t change the fact that he’s transferring because he’s not the starter. If he was coming to Michigan I’d cheer my ass off for him to be eligible, but I still would feel exactly the same. It’s also okay for people to have an opinion on this. No matter your race. And if you don’t think he should be immediately eligible it doesn’t make you a racist.
Shea left a school that was falling under NCAA sanctions and lost their coach because of it. How’s that the same? They’re two totally different situations.
Do you think he’d be transferring if he was the starter? But I also think he’ll be eligible, but that’s because the NCAA doesn’t want to look bad.
|01/16/2019 - 11:45am||They’re racist people…||
Tate’s a wuss for running his mouth and transferring.
On Fields. Their are racist people everywhere. He’s transferring because he’s not the starter. Has nothing to do with Georgia. He can go North, South, East, West. When your playing in a stadium of over 100,000 people I can almost guarantee someone in the stands will say the N word about somebody. That includes Michigan, Ohio State, UCLA, Syracuse, Georgia, or any university. Anyone who thinks different is fooling themselves.
|01/07/2019 - 11:31pm||To me Michigan was with…||
To me Michigan was with these teams defensively in 2016. The big difference was O-line and QB. Everywhere else they were close enough to compete in 2016.
This year Michigan was significantly lacking on the D-line and at safety. Chase and Rashan can hang, but the backup defensive ends would not. The biggest difference is our interior D-line. Michigan is a long way from 2016 both on the interior and in terms of depth on the D-line. That’s why it’s exciting to see how good Mazi and Hinton look both talent and size wise. They look like Alabama and Clemson players.
The secondary also is way behind 2016. While the top two corners are there; Hudson, Metellus, and Kinnel are nowhere near Peppers, Hill, and Thomas. Again it’s exciting hearing about the speed of Daxton Hill and Quinten Johnson. I’m really high on this recruiting class.
The big issue we have to me is O-line developing.
|01/07/2019 - 7:59pm||Did the Cardinals fire him…||
Did the Cardinals fire him or did he retire? That never made any sense to me if they fired him.
Bruce Arien’s that is.
|01/02/2019 - 7:39pm||Your definition of dynamic…||
Your definition of dynamic is correct. I meant more specifically they were an offense that could really throw the ball. Michigan is not better in pass block than 15 and 16
DPJ is faster than Nico. That’s just a fact. I’m not saying Nico can’t get open, you can be a big possession receiver and dominate. Marquise Walker, and Adrian Arrington are a couple examples. What Michigan is lacking is quick twitch speed guys.
One our two guys make the difference when you’re playing man to man almost every time and your slower than the other team. See the difference when they had Delano Hill and Dymonte Thomas at safety? They could cover any receiver because they were fast enough.
Freshmen can be the difference. Especially at skill positions. With the number of recruits they’re bringing in it would be almost impossible not to have immediate contributors. I don’t disagree that the play calling sucked and it was suprising it wasn’t better in the big games, but what I’m saying is there are some mitigating circumstances. The O-line is one and the receiver position lacking quick twitch speed guys is the other. If next year is the same then we’ll all be pissed.
|01/02/2019 - 3:49pm||A more positive response to…||
A more positive response to some of your takes.
1. I think we’re underestimating just how bad the O-line has been the last two seasons. 2015 and 2016 Michigan had a dynamic offense and threw the ball consistently. If we can develop a couple tackles, particularly a LT, I think the passing game will open up.
2. Other than DPJ, the receivers aren’t very fast. Nico is clearly a possession guy, and Black has had two major injuries. Martin may just be average. When he’s been on the field the catches that would impress me he drops. The incoming class of receivers is stock full of quick twitch slot types. This tells me Harbaugh knows he needs to utilize this position going forward.
3. The defense was overrated this season. 2016 was our best and I even thought 17’s was better, but that’s debatable. The DTs were average and Gary was hurt all year. This is wild speculation but I think he was promised to play DE and would have been an inside guy if he wasn’t the #1 player. Again that’s all me and no inside info, but I think he would have been way better on the inside, and will play there in the NFL.
4. The biggest key to Don Brown’s defense is corner and safety. They’re about to get a lot faster at safety with the incoming class. Dax can cover like a corner and will most likely start immediately. Metellus is above average. Out of him and Kinnel I’m glad he’s the one coming back. Zordich has yet to have a drop off at corner and I don’t expect one with Hill returning.
5. This recruiting class emphasizes speed to me above almost everything else. Especially at safety and receiver. I think the coaches know the weak spots on the team and are trying to correct them. Like everyone else I’ve been disappointed in the play calling on offense the last two seasons, but 2015 and 16 tell me Harbaugh isn’t Bo. If next season things don’t change I’ll look like an idiot, but the evidence, at least to me, points to things changing.
6. I know some will think I’m being optimistic with my points, but I’ve been hard on the staff in all of our losses. I believe these are realistic takes based on the recruiting evidence and past play calling. The only change I’d like to see is Pep leaving. Two guys I’d like as replacements are: Todd Monkin the now fired OC in Tampa Bay, previously the OC at Oklahoma State when they went 12-1. The other is Jedd Fisch.
|12/31/2018 - 3:57pm||The only position we’re…||
The only position we’re faster at is linebacker. And almost exclusively due to Devin Bush. Safety is so much slower than 2016, viper is slower, corner is probably a wash as I’d bet Lewis is the fastest and Stribling would be the slowest. And D-line is obviously faster in 2016, the two best D-lineman on this team were reserves on the 2016 team.
Without a doubt 2016 is better and faster save linebacker. This coaching staff is not honest in the preseason when discussing personnel. I’d call it the Fred Jackson syndrome.
|12/31/2018 - 4:02am||There are two things I’ll…||
There are two things I’ll give Harbaugh. One the offensive line is not there yet. We still need two tackles very badly. Credit to Runyan for the effort he gives but it’s hard to pass when you can’t protect and your best receivers are outside guys.
Two I think (and am hoping) the emphasis on slot types in recruiting is to address the lack of quick twitch speed at receiver. I think we’re pretty slow at the position. DPJ is obviously fast but he’s not a slot receiver. Nico is a possession type and Tarik is coming off two major injuries. Only Ronnie Bell of the other receivers seems like he might have the speed and wiggle for that. I’m excited to see how they use the slot guys. There’s no way you put that much emphasis on it in recruiting and don’t plan to use it.
I’m upset with the staff because I still think they could coach this game better, but I’m excited in the direction we’re headed. I do believe my/our complaints will go away, if the recruiting emphasis turns out to be true.
|12/31/2018 - 3:47am||No one. But it’s still okay…||
No one. But it’s still okay to criticize the faults we see.
|12/31/2018 - 1:35am||I did not think we’d win the…||
I did not think we’d win the game, but that’s a long way from getting embarrassed 41-15. Florida is not that good. And while the defense was very short handed the offense was not.
There are many ways to play defense to mitigate a talent disadvantage. Playing man up every time isn’t one of them. Don Brown has gotten owned by good offensive coaches throughout his tenure at Michigan. The exception being 2016, when we had the best defense since 1997. Michigan’s staff has coached as if they have better players than everyone else since the OSU game last year. They don’t have that type of talent and adjustment is required.
Let me make it clear the only staff change I’d like to see is Pep leaving and a new passing game coordinator coming in, but Don Brown isn’t the be all end all like it seemed in 2016. The best defense he’s produced was inherited.
|12/31/2018 - 1:22am||Don Brown is a very good DC…||
Don Brown is a very good DC. I also think it’s fair to say he’s married to his system. Unless he has two safeties who are extremely fast and can cover his defense is exploitable. He chooses to stick to playing one type of defense and coaches to that. There’s no plan B.
I think heavy pass offenses like OSU’s will be able to exploit this defense consistently unless we have the talent of 2016. There aren’t very many good offenses in the Big Ten and Don Brown has exploited that. If people believe his claim of this being his fastest defense I don’t know how to help you.
|12/30/2018 - 9:56pm||Agree with the point that…||
Agree with the point that people shouldn’t go overboard, but it’s also okay for people to be frustrated with the staff. The last two games have been the worst coaching performances in Harbaughs tenure. I don’t think we’re there personell wise to hang with the playoff teams, but getting run out by Florida is embarrassing.
|12/18/2018 - 1:50am||I think we’re extremely thin…||
I think we’re extremely thin at WR. You can’t play DPJ and Collins the whole game. Your other options are:
Bell- true freshman, needs to add weight.
Martin-has had trouble getting open
Perry-I’ll give you has played less than expected can’t remember his snap count during the game.
Black-A guy who has missed almost two whole seasons due to injury.
I’m not going to go back and research at what time the play happened, but I think by then the game was effectively over. Even disregarding that, when your down that much your playing four wide receivers at once, and often running go routes. The top two guys could need a breather especially when one is a punt returner. I can see him getting in there. So yes I have no problem. Especially when you get fifteen yards.
|12/18/2018 - 1:30am||The takes on here are…||
The takes on here are laughably dumb. The only one I’ll give any shred of credibility to is starting Bolden. Even then the biggest problem with the 2015 defense were injuries to Glasgow and Mone.
Milton got a snap in a 42-7 win Wow! The horror!
Nordin? Really Nordin? Did you watch the guy kick?
McCurry played in a game we got throttled by OSU.
Just keep the conspiracy theories coming. I hear the earth is flat, we didn’t land on the moon, you shouldn’t immunize your children, the US took the towers down. This board is a clown show.
|12/18/2018 - 1:12am||Let’s also not forget that…||
Let’s also not forget that Kap led the 49ers to a super bowl and was one play away from winning the whole thing. I’d say that speaks to meritocracy.
Black missed almost the whole season. I’d think we’d be lauding Harbaugh for easing a guy that almost missed two whole seasons of football back in. That seems like it speaks to someone who takes injuries seriously no?
Position coaches are most often the ones who deal with playing time.
|12/18/2018 - 1:03am||I believe Durkin was the DC…||
I believe Durkin was the DC during Bolden’s senior year. Mattison prior to that. Don Brown may have done things differently. Also Bolden was apparently an extremely good practice player. But I get your overall point there.
In regards to Hudson I’d say let’s trust coach Warriner. Who has turned a terrible o-line into a competent one. Warriner is also regarded as one of the best o-line coaches in the country.
Personel decisions in regards to who starts sits for position groups are most often made by position coaches. So unless you think Mattison and Warriner, two guys lauded as great we’ll respected coaches both just play favorites? I think this is a dumb take. Sometimes I wonder why I come on here to read this stuff.
This board is in full melt down mode in regards to football. The takes on here are some of the dumbest I’ve ever seen. Especially bringing up racism. That’s toxic and BS. And unless you have something backing that up anyone throwing that out there is just trying to ruin people’s reputation and you should be ashamed.
|12/11/2018 - 4:19pm||Sorry. I wrote that terribly…||
Sorry. I wrote that terribly, now edited. You usually go to Bama because your guaranteed a title, but it was close enough that he committed to us at one point. Hopefully it’s still close enough Bama losing their DC means he’ll flip back. Unlikely, but hey, one can hope.
|12/11/2018 - 2:31pm||Which is good. Not sure who…||
Which is good. Not sure who his recruiter is, but I live in Oklahoma. The word around here is Pete Golding, Alabama’s defensive cordinator, is the leading candidate to be the Sooners new DC.
|12/09/2018 - 2:57pm||Let’s see how good OU’s…||
Let’s see how good OU’s system is after they lose Murray. That team would have at least 4 losses without him.
Again if you’ve watched Murray you wouldn’t be comparing him to Shea. This is two different class of players. Shea is merely good where Murray is all time great. He’s orchestrating the best offense statistically all time. Your going to deploy him differently than Shea because Shea can’t do what he can.
And honestly even if Harbaugh somehow didn’t Michigan’s offense is significantly better. Murray is way better than Shea. This is not a hot take. I’m pretty sure most of you watch one team only. Or just the Big Ten.
|12/09/2018 - 2:43pm||This is a good point. I…||
|12/09/2018 - 2:41pm||This is a good point. I…||
This is a good point. I think we’d all live our best lives if we distanced ourselves from recruiting a bit.
At the same time F Bama. Why can’t anyone else have nice things.
|12/09/2018 - 2:39am||Have any of you watched…||
Have any of you watched Kyler Murray? There’s no comparison between he and Shea. He’s on a completely different level. Michigan would kill Notre Dame with Kyler Murray on the team. He’d probably be the fastest player on Michigan. He’s also a much better passer. Michigan would have a shot at beating OSU. Murray is the best dual-threat QB I’ve ever seen. I get everyone is in a funk but it’s funny how down you all are on Harbaugh. Shea can only dream of being as good as Murray.
|12/09/2018 - 2:08am||I have not once compared…||
I have not once compared Alabama to any sport besides the NBA. I have classified everyone of my statements with modern college football. So I don’t know why people keep bringing up 100 years ago, or women’s cricket (joking). If you pull one quote out of all of my comments with no context I guess you could get there. Yes the Steelers and Packers won that often early in the NFL’s history, but unless you have Bill Bellicheck and Tom Brady no ones going on a run like that. Even the Patrots can’t win as often as that. The NFL has made their league such that parity will almost always win out.
College Football and the NBA, where players have the choice of what team they want to go to, there is less and less parity. Alabma is on another level from everyone else because they have such a talent advantage. Saban is a great X’s and O’s guy, but no better than Harbaugh or a handful of other coaches. Where he’s killing everyone else is in recruiting. There are only a handful of programs that can compete with that level of talent; Clemson, Georgia, and previously Ohio State. I have my doubts about Ryan Day.
My greater point on this is,I respect the hell out of George Karlaftis (please flip to Michigan!) for going to Purdue. More and more players seem to take the path of least resistance I miss competitive drive in players to slay the dragon. Dax Hill could go to any program and if he lives up to the hype will leave a legacy on that program. Going to Bama, he’s just another dude. It’s lame. If he’d have flipped to Oklahoma State or even OU I’d be disappointed, but really, Bama?
|12/08/2018 - 8:52pm||Name a program with this…||
Name a program with this many true national titles over this period in modern college football. Read a history book? You want to compare this program to teams prior to the 1940s? That’s laughable.
There’s nothing like this. Saban is running the greatest program in modern college football at the very least. Name a compareable program after World War II. USC was falling apart by the end. Carroll left prior to USC going off the rails.
Who said anything about it lasting to 2030? Sure if Saban isn’t there it might be over, until then do you see it slowing down really? If he hangs on too long and is senile by the end. Other than that good luck.
|12/08/2018 - 7:56pm||Agreed. Any fan trying to…||
Agreed. Any fan trying to compare their team to Bama is a fool. You can’t catch them. Success is relative. Bama is on another level. Michigan is back in terms of wins and losses. The only thing we’re not seeing is Big Ten titles. With Urban gone, I think those might start coming. For any program in college football to expect to be on Bama’s level is delusional. Week to week I enjoy watching Michigan play. On the Championship stage college football, like the NBA is boring.
|12/08/2018 - 7:48pm||Theres no comparison to Nick…||
Theres no comparison to Nick Saban and Bama. I mentioned those other 3 teams on a recruiting basis, but really they are only a loose comparison. There’s nothing like Bama in the modern history of college football, you’d have to go back more than 50 years to find a similar run. Even then I’m not sure you could find a program this dominant. Nick Saban is a good coach strategically but not any better than Harbaugh or similar coaches. His recruiting is untouchable by any program. Until he retires no one is closing that gap. No one. And if you believe different your a fool. That teams stacks talent upon talent. I don’t know many other teams that could lose a heisman trophy candidate QB and still be an overwhelming favorite to win it all. There are no comparisons to this program. If Dax doesn’t win at least two titles in his three years at Bama that’s a disappointment, that’s lame and boring. No sports haven’t been like this. Not in my lifetime. 30 years of watching.
|12/08/2018 - 7:12pm||That’s super lame…||
That’s super lame. Competitive spirit is lacking in a lot of sports. Top players in leagues where players have the choice of where they want to go are stacking teams with so much talent that it really doesn’t matter what others do.
Who’s going to to compete with the top 4ish teams in CFB? Bama has an insurmountable advantage over every program except maybe Ohio State, Georgia, and Clemson. I don’t watch the SEC anymore. Other than the Bama vs Georgia game. It’s completely predictable. Alabama is going to win out, and Georgia will win out.
The NBA is pretty similar. People can enjoy the regular season, but no one truly has a chance against the Golden State Warriors lacking injury to Kevin Durant or Steph Curry. Even then they’re the favorite.
Alabama could lose their heisman QB (Tua) for the entire playoffs. Is anyone going to pick against them?
I don’t know. Maybe I’m old school, but I still enjoy parity and players not only being about the individual. The Team The Team The Team is dead in sports.
The NFL has forced parity based on how the owners have structured the league. And isn’t applicable
|12/04/2018 - 1:41pm||Let’s also not forget that…||
Let’s also not forget that Lincoln Riley inherited both Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray. I’m not saying he’s not a great, maybe the best, offensive mind, but he’s got more to prove yet. Let’s see how good he is after two of the best QBs in OU history, and possibly back to back heisman winners, are gone.
Similair with Day. If Haskins leave we’re talking about a record setting Big Ten QB. In both cases I’d assume a drop off regardless of coaching acumen.
|12/02/2018 - 11:35am||I’m more impressed Fury…||
I’m more impressed Fury dropped all that weight. He was straight up obese for a minute. Fury’s always been a great fighter, and an awesome trash-talker.
It is cool that heavyweight actually has some guys who can fight again instead of being dominated by two Klitschko’s.
|11/25/2018 - 2:32pm||I’m sitting on both sides of…||
I’m sitting on both sides of this argument because I think both sides are right. I do think the defense lost this game. After the Notre Dame game and this one it’s clear Harbaugh built this team specifically to play with the lead all year. I think a couple factors really hurt that. The running game while improved is nowhere near where it needs to be. Our RBs are good to average and the Oline is a year away from being really good (opinion).
The passing game specifically is suffering from Shea, while being the best QB since Henne, having been hit too many times. He throws off his back foot with little too no pressure, bails on the pocket too soon, and something I can’t say definitively but am starting to believe is having trouble downloading the offense. We have all seen Harbaugh scheme a winning plan in this series twice 2016 and 2017. This year we saw none of that creativity. That makes no sense after the last two games. I think Shea may be a year away from having a fully functional passing game.
Where I agree is I think Jedd was clearly better and more creative in his play design. I don’t ever feel like we have concepts that get our receivers running wide open very often. Whereas we have in the past under Harbaugh. In other words I’d be happy to see the passing game coordinator replaced.
|11/25/2018 - 2:11pm||This team is not better than…||
This team is not better than 2016 in my mind. The run blocking is better yes, and the QB is more talented. But at every other position I think 2016 is equal or better. I’m tired of hearing people saying this team is better than 2016.
2006 is better too. The only area I’d give an edge to this team is the secondary. Every other position unit I’d go with 2006. This team was overrated. They played two teams with a pulse and got beat by both fairly handily. I think Michigan is a top 10 team, but this team was built on the hype of the revenge tour and beating the worst Wisconsin and Penn State teams in the last three year. And an MSU team that was a fraud last year.
|10/02/2018 - 2:10pm||Does anyone know of a place…||
Does anyone know of a place to find the full game broadcast?
I was unable to watch it and I’d like to see the whole thing not just the twenty minute version.
I’ve been scouring YouTube since Saturday and found nothing.
|09/09/2018 - 8:21pm||Not a Tomlin fan…||
Not a Tomlin fan particularly, but we’re talking about the NFL. This is big boy league and Big Ben is what? A 15 year vet? You throw 3 picks and lose two fumbles (had him in fantasy sigh) it’s on him.
Especially when the defense, Tomlin’s specialty, plays well.
|09/02/2018 - 8:18pm||I agree with your overall…||
I agree with your overall point. This season definitely is not over, and there's a lot of time before the next “big” game.
That doesn’t mean that I’m not disappointed in the coaching performance. I’ll say again that I’m shocked they didn’t have a hurry-up offense ready for this game. Even with Shea being new he’s been here since the spring. You could tell watching, the coaches planned for a grind it out low scoring game. I expected that too, but as every fan has said you never know with Notre Dame. The team wasn’t prepared to play catch up. That’s on the coaches. We should have had more possessions in the second half than we did, with better clock management.
As the season goes on though Jim will install more of the offense and they’ll continue to be better prepared. We have a good quarterback, unlike last year. So overall I think they’ll be better than last year and have a better record. But this game was disappointing because this one, at least in my mind, was the coaches not having the team prepared.
|09/01/2018 - 11:35pm||I don’t fully disagree with…||
I don’t fully disagree with your point. Yes I think the offense may (MAY) have had a good game plan, for playing a tight game where you don’t get down early. We got down early.
Harbaugh prepared the team to play a drag out game where we either lean on Notre Dame with a lead or we’re within one score the whole time.
That didn’t happen. Which isn’t a shock. What was shocking is the offensive staff forgot to install a hurry-up offense. I don’t care what argument you make that’s the end of the discussion. You’ve mismanaged the game, and honestly need to apologize to your team. That should be the first thing you teach going into a game like this and I hope going forward. Harbaugh isn’t negligent as a coach and has a hurry-up offense installed.
And before anyone says that we have a new QB. This guys been here since spring. Coaching is a big fat F.
|09/01/2018 - 11:22pm||Awful. The team was…||
Awful. The team was completely unprepared.
Defense was not ready. Made mental errors. Committing pentalies that gave up first downs. As they did last year; allowed a running QB to convert third and long consistently for long drives. Put the offense in a huge hole and made the first half a slow grind.
Offense was not ready. Whatever playbook was installed they forgot the hurry-up offense. Considering that Michigan is playing on the road against a top 15 opponent, a hurry-up offense is absolutely necessary. Offensive line. It was atrocious. Particularly pass blocking. I advise any fan to not trust the coaches BS in regards to any improvement.
Special teams was somewhat prepared. Doug Flutie made a comment I strongly agree with. It is important to have a player who has been in the game and at least poses a threat for a fake field goal. DPJ was not coached up on fielding punts and not improved from last year.
Final thought. Defense gave up too much in the first half. Offense had to abandon whatever plan they had. Harbaugh forgot to install hurry-up offense.
|08/14/2018 - 9:11pm||2003 vs Minnesota. I had to…||
2003 vs Minnesota. I had to record the game (on VHS) and watched it with no knowledge that we’d won. I kept thinking I should just turn it off and go to bed since Michigan was getting beat so badly. I powered through for the epic comeback.
Loved that team.