Purdue Appreciation Thread

Submitted by Wolverrrrrrroudy on December 1st, 2021 at 4:43 AM

I just have to say we really owe Purdue a big thank you for taking out Michigan State.  Without that loss, We would be facing the dreaded tie breaker scenario, with a three way tie.  I'm assuming but haven't looked in detail, that it would have come down to the cross division records, which I'm assuming Ohio State would have had the edge.

Sometimes things just happen for a reason, and I can't help but feel like I should already be looking into buying tickets for the Jan 10 National Championship game.  Yeah, I know we have to get past Iowa, but I have confidence we will more so with this team and their attitude.  They just seem to have a will to accomplish their goals and don't seem to be fazed by any external expectations.

 

I apologize if this was already a topic, there have been so many topics lately.  

Wolverrrrrrroudy

December 1st, 2021 at 4:49 AM ^

I should have added that the counter argument to this is - had Purdue not beaten Michigan State - Michigan would still be 11-1, would not be playing Iowa for the B10 championship this weekend, likely OSU, and yet would still be in the college football playoff picture, as Ohio State would still have two losses, and Michigan State's performance against OSU the week before would have dropped them below Michigan.

In other words we might have already been a lock for the College Football Playoff.

JonnyHintz

December 1st, 2021 at 8:38 AM ^

Yeah we’d still be #2 and wouldn’t have a game this week. Pretty much no scenario where we drop out. In a sense, it could “hurt” us that Purdue beat MSU if we were to lose to Iowa. The only way it’s benefitted us is giving us a chance for a conference title. Which we, in all likelihood, wouldn’t have needed for the playoff. 
 

 

steve sharik

December 1st, 2021 at 12:14 PM ^

Non-conference record is 7th out of 8 on the tiebreak list of the B1G. Had MSU beaten Purdue, the conference record of crossovers would be the determining factor. Michigan's crossovers are 8-19, OSU's would've been 12-15, and MSU's would've been 7-20. OSU would've played for the B1G title at 10-2, MSU and Michigan would've been at 11-1 and MSU would be ranked ahead of Michigan in the CFP rankings.

Kewaga.

December 1st, 2021 at 5:40 AM ^

Dude, please don't jinx us and look ahead... please enjoy the moment and root for Michigan over Iowa in our FIRST trip to Indy for a FIRST possible B1G title!  That is all.

 

I read your first paragraph and up voted you, read your second paragraph and changed it to a down vote.

Wolverrrrrrroudy

December 1st, 2021 at 6:38 AM ^

Sorry man, got to say downvoting because you think I'm jinxing us... ok, you glanced over the part where I said I know we have get past Iowa first so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But man, I live in Switzerland now and have been a Michigan football fan all my life, graduated from there in 2002 and so I'm willing to start planning now for something doesn't come along very often.  And I'm willing to believe they are going to get it done this weekend, and have faith in the team.  It's not a given, but hey I want to be prepared and not end up paying $4,000 for a ticket.  

GoWings2008

December 1st, 2021 at 7:25 AM ^

There may be many reasons for the down votes, none were mine BTW, such as what you devoted an entire post to could have been added to any of the other multitude of threads about The Game.

Or it could be that you weren't definitive with your understanding of the tie breaker rules and appeared to be looking for some sort of validation.

But I think it could be claiming that anyone had glanced over a part about you knowing we have to get past Iowa first, but you still concluded with this;

In other words we might have already been a lock for the College Football Playoff.

You seem to be making up for the negs regardless. My advice is don't whine about down votes.

Wolverrrrrrroudy

December 1st, 2021 at 7:40 AM ^

Thanks for the advice.  My advice, just enjoy the fact that we won The Game and have the opportunities we do in front of us.  I wasn't complaining about the down votes, doesn't really bother me.  And, no there were no other posts related to Purdue, I looked and I thought this was an overlooked aspect of why we are where we are right now that hasn't been addressed.  

Chalky White

December 1st, 2021 at 6:40 AM ^

Michigan teams typically don’t have a problem getting to the title game. The problem is what happens when they get there. The thing is they are usually the underdog when they get to the game. I can’t remember if they were favored in any of those games. If they win the semi, they’ll be the underdog again. 

UMForLife

December 1st, 2021 at 6:56 AM ^

Yes. Purdue won that game. But we should be thanking the 95 million dollar career defensive coach who fielded the worst secondary possible. Without that, Purdue would not have been able to put up those points and OSU would not have looked like death star.

Grampy

December 1st, 2021 at 7:16 AM ^

To Hell with MSU, they are not thread worthy.  If Purdue hadn’t pointed out that the new, $95M Emperor had no clothes, some other B1G lightweight (Nebby, e.g.) would have.  If it weren’t for the fact that insane boosters could have put that bale of filthy lucre to better use, I’d be hugging myself with glee knowing that MSU had written the stupidest contract in sports.

Cosmic Blue

December 1st, 2021 at 7:33 AM ^

just to add to the original conversation. i looked at the tie breakers, and in the counterfactual where MSU beats Purdue, there would be a 3-way tie with MSU, OSU and us. those ties would go all the way to the 5th tiebreaker which looks at the record of the cross-divisional opponents.

MSU had Northwestern (1-8), Nebraska (1-8), and Purdue (would be 5-4 if lost to MSU), for a cumulative opponent record of 7-20.

OSU had Minnesota (6-3), Nebraska (1-8), and Purdue (would be 5-4 if lost to MSU), for a cumulative opponent record of 12-15.

Mich had Wisc (6-3), Nebraska (1-8), and Northwestern (1-8), for a cumulative opponent record of 8-19.

So w/o that purdue loss bumping MSU out of the 3-way tie scenario, OSU would have backed into the East championship even with the loss to us. yuck

Blueinthewoods

December 1st, 2021 at 10:38 AM ^

I think this is incorrect, not the details or records, but the conclusion. My understanding is that the 5th tiebreaker is used to eliminate the worst of the 3 and then they go back to the head to head outcome. So under this scenario MSU's west opponents would have the worst record therefore eliminating MSU, leaving Michigan and OSU, and we all know joyfully who wins that tiebreaker! Either way, we would be in the championship game against Iowa

JonnyHintz

December 1st, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^

https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://s3.amazonaws.com/bigten.org/documents/2021/8/27/2021_Big_Ten_Football_Tiebreakers.pdf&date=163010116

 

You’d be wrong. Article B, subsection 5, point A: Example: East 1 non-divisional opponents are 20-7, East 2 non-divisional opponents are 19-8, East 3 non-divisional opponents are 14-13 – East 1
would be the representative.

If any single team is eliminated from a previous tie breaker and the other two remain tied, it goes to head to head between the remaining teams. So in this instance, if East 1 and East 2 both had non-divisional opponents go 20-7 while East 3 went 14-13, East 3 is eliminated and head to head between E1 and E2 would determine the champ. But if a single team wins any tie breaker outright (as would have been the case for OSU), then they’re automatically awarded the division title.
 

Bo Harbaugh

December 1st, 2021 at 8:21 AM ^

MSU was inverse Nebraska this year.

They are a fraud that lucked into a bunch of close wins, relying on low probability events...not to mentions bs officiating against us.

Thank the universe for righting the wrong that was the officiating abomination in our game against them.

 

victors2000

December 1st, 2021 at 8:48 AM ^

I was happy about it! After what Purdue did to Iowa, I knew they could take down  State provided (nnt)Aiden came to play. And once again, all our goals were before us.

Dunder

December 1st, 2021 at 8:52 AM ^

I have upvoted, not in disagreement with those down voting over thread bloat, they are correct.

However, I'm good with any thread that mentions Purdue's pasting of MSU and contains a thrice repeated listing of Scott Frost's 1 - 8 conference record this year. The only thing missing to make this sheer perfection is the obligatory side note that Football Outsider's FEI ratings has Nebraska ahead of MSU.  

Oh, wait, did I fix that?

Engin77

December 1st, 2021 at 10:36 AM ^

  I come from that bygone era when each season’s goal was to win the Big Ten title and celebrate in the most spectacular bowl game, the Rose Bowl, in sunny California.  After all the bowl games were played, sportswriters and coaches would vote to rank the top teams of each season and name their “national” champion.
  Much has changed since: Big Ten expanded, became B1G split into divisions, conference winners meet to determine the Big Ten Championship; there was a 2 team BCS, now a 4 team CFP, and (perhaps soon) 8 or more teams will participate in the playoff for the National Championship.

Through all this change, and amid all the noise generated by the 24/7 sports media, my annual hope is that, at season’s end, the guys wearing maize and blue are Big Ten Champions.  My brain recognizes that a B1G East co-champion could miss the opportunity to play for the conference championship and still make the CFP, with an extra week off to rest and heal.  But, to me, that feels like entering through a side door, almost like being born on third base.

I was elated by Purdue’s defeat of the Spartans, because I was pretty sure that OhioSt would do the same in Columbus.  This meant that *if* Michigan could win out, they’d be headed to the B1G Championship game for the first time.  I guess, this is a long winded way of saying: I really enjoyed this season, especially the gutsy win last Saturday, and the guys in maize and blue are one game away from their first Big Ten Championship in too long.   Hail to the Victors Valiant!

Wolverine 73

December 1st, 2021 at 10:57 AM ^

Playoff and Big Ten title implications aside, hats off to Purdue for knocking MSU down a peg or two after the refs handed them the win over Michigan (if that Hutchinson TD had stood, I believe we would have cruised to the win).  Hell, hats off to OSU for exposing how much MSU had overachieved and been lucky.