ijohnb

April 17th, 2018 at 8:48 PM ^

seriously don’t give a shit what you think. I don’t have any cohorts and I am not condemning our football culture. I can damn sure tell you one person who is wondering if he could have done something different tonight - Jim Harbaugh. And that does not say anything negative about him, that means he is human and understands that there are many sides to most stories and that every moment can be an opportunity to learn. You sound pathetic, obtuse and simple minded. My guess is that is exactly who you are.

ijohnb

April 17th, 2018 at 9:03 PM ^

is no “wrong” or “right” here. Bosse was wrong, and apparently disturbed. It is completely rational and not delusional at all to wonder if the situated could have been mitigated. You call me delusional but I am not the one proposing to know everything with no information to base it on. That would be you.

ijohnb

April 17th, 2018 at 9:15 PM ^

guess I just don’t understand why “that is a really crazy story, hope everybody in the program did right and that this wasn’t a preventable situation” can possibly be spun as some kind of delusional revolutionary take. It genuinely puzzles me why a lot of people on here are so uncomfortable with it. Perhaps there is a lens through which what I am saying looks a lot different but I honestly can’t see it with this one.

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Reader71

April 17th, 2018 at 10:35 PM ^

I think you have a point. I’m sure Harbaugh is wondering what he could have done differently, if anything, to help the kid avoid this kind of thing. I’m sure Greg Harden is feeling the same, and so are a lot of other people involved with the program. Team mates, tutors, trainers, everyone. That’s patently obvious. But you started this thing off with what reasonable people could construe as a bit of concern trolling, like this might be a sign of deeper issues or something. Maybe that isn’t what you meant, but that’s how you put it out there. There is also a reflexive tendency to shoot down every perceived criticism, no matter how rational or mild. There’s some of that here, but by and large, you kinda shot yourself in the foot by the way you started this.

BigBlue02

April 18th, 2018 at 12:31 AM ^

ijohn starts every post with a little concern trolling. He then continues with concern trolling and ends with concern trolling. That’s why he is getting downvoted. He didn’t just have one post that may seem to be a little concern troll-ey.....he is a concern troll

ijohnb

April 18th, 2018 at 6:41 AM ^

fair enough. I will honestly take this advice. I have never seen such outrage at what I perceived to be a very moderated take. I don’t really even know how what I am saying is considered “trolling.” I guess “trolling” could now be defined as “expression of an opinion that diverges to any degree from consensus” on a particular topic. If this thread is any indication, this Board has devolved into something nearly identical to Mlive or Fox News comments thread. These responses would be right at home at RCMB. That is a bit of a problem in itself, but I got the memo now.

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Bodogblog

April 17th, 2018 at 9:08 PM ^

"Whoa whoa now, none of us know enough to not blame Harbaugh for this yet. After all, he pulled an offer once, so he could have created a mental breakdown. We don't know enough yet. I mean, you have hundreds if not thousands of other players Harbaugh has guided in his career who haven't, you know, done this. But yeah. Could have created a potential killer. Remember Swenson? I have a human brain capable of logic."

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Blueskidoo

April 17th, 2018 at 11:00 PM ^

You are by far the biggest troll on this board.

And then you whine like a little bitch when people call you out on it. 

Blue in Paradise

April 18th, 2018 at 12:23 AM ^

Too bad you weren't around when I had a board fight with that clown and his fellow concern trolls after someone was $hitting on Warde Manuel last year.

That was an epic thread that got into whether Kevin Ollie deserved credit for the 2014 National Championship that UConn won.  Good times!

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Kevin13

April 18th, 2018 at 9:39 AM ^

with over 100 players on a roster every year. All who have different back grounds and values and personalities. Every once in a while you get a bad apple or maybe a kid with some type of mental health issues. It's just the nature of the game that problems will arise in every program.

Now because it happens it doesn't mean a coach has lost control or that some have stated that it's a circus.  It's a kid who is more then likely having some serious issues and needs some help and it's too bad it's come out publicly like this as this type of situation probably happens frequently across the country but most don't go public.

Now when you see several players getting in trouble and having problems such as an MSU, then there is a problem with a program and can be called a circus, because the staff is breading the problems just to win.

You Only Live Twice

April 17th, 2018 at 11:45 PM ^

for some kind of indictment against the UM football program, against Harbaugh...

well... that ranks right up there with:

MSU is not at fault for anything, only Nassar.

There's no proof of all this assault/gang rapes, you know, I don't want to hear about all these allegations just give me the facts.  Not your facts or the victim's facts.  Just facts that I can use to continue rationalizing away institutionalized evil while I look for ways to point fingers elsewhere.

OH wait there's a negative story about a UM player, glory Hallelujiah let's get the focus off us and zero in on that!!  Yeah we know that's an isolated situation with different facts but hell a distraction is a distraction and we have to do something because Engler is digging us into a deeper and deeper hole!

stephenrjking

April 17th, 2018 at 5:40 PM ^

How does this make it a "circus?" Harbaugh has been virtually silent for the last six months. No weird stunts, no strange recruiting stories (pretty slim in high-profile recruits, too), no exceptional publicity. Some fans have even criticized him for seeming disinterested. 

This is a player, who has been off of the team for months, having a meltdown of some kind. How is this the program's fault in any way?

The answer: It isn't. This specious attempt to discern a larger "theme" is just imaginary. 

Clarence Boddicker

April 17th, 2018 at 6:10 PM ^

Why can't you see that a student who is no longer on the team threatening coaches HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING ELSE YOU MENTIONED? I'm sure Harbaugh didn't contact Bosse and say, "Hey we could use some publicity. Why don't you get on twitter and threaten our lives. Even though you're no longer on the team. Thanks!" Can you see how dumb and callous you sound?

HailHail47

April 17th, 2018 at 6:33 PM ^

There are two sides to every story. Clearly Harbaugh and Mbem Bosse don’t see eye to eye on how a situation was handled while he was still involved with the program. If Harbaugh is responsible for the program, he is responsible for handling situations like this fairly. I imagine that he did and Mbem Bosse is just sour grapes, and a troubled soul. The situation likely could have been handled better as to not leave him disgruntled to the point of making death threats.

stephenrjking

April 17th, 2018 at 6:42 PM ^

You have no clue how Harbaugh handled or didn't handle this situation. Given that Mbem-Bosse has been out of the program since November, there's no real evidence that Harbaugh had anything to do with his current mental state at all.

And if you think when someone is threatening violence that the subject of such threats likely could have handled it better, well, you're off your rocker and you've never encountered someone who is completely irrationally violent or angry. 

Clarence Boddicker

April 17th, 2018 at 6:50 PM ^

You realize that plenty of players have left the program under Harbaugh before right? So far, no other players have reacted this way. In fact, players at other programs leave under far more brutal circumstances. SEC teams flat out hold summer cut-downs for scholarships, but we don't hear about players reacting by threatening coaches lives. They simply transfer and play someplace else. Therefore, what we clearly have here is a former player having a crisis that has little to do with the way Harbaugh "handles situations like this." Because, even when you're a football player, there's more to life than football. But your zeal to pin this some way, somehow, on Harbaugh indicates that you're either:

A). A shitty fan.

B). A troll.

C). A and B.

HailHail47

April 17th, 2018 at 7:03 PM ^

If just introducing the idea that maybe Harbaugh isn’t perfect and could have potentially handled it better makes me a shitty fan then so be it. He’s a human, not a deity. If being a good fan means I have to be thrilled with everything Harbaugh, then yeah, count me out. This news sucks for the program. There is no positive spin you can put on it. I hope everything is cleared up and Mbem-Bosse can move on with his life productively.

DHughes5218

April 17th, 2018 at 7:41 PM ^

It would be okay if you would have said I question if Harbaugh handled this properly but you come in blasting and calling the program a circus. Seriously though, even if Harbaugh kicked him off the team for leaving to spend time with a dying family member (I’m not saying this is the case, just worse case) would that justify a death threat? My point is you can call the program a circus and blame Harbaugh, but there’s nothing he could’ve done in this situation that would deserve a death threat.

mtzlblk

April 17th, 2018 at 7:52 PM ^

might have occurred....how about:

1. Back in November, player began acting erratically

2. Player talked to, given options

3. Player continues to act erratically, leaves when told not to, breaks team rules, whatever

4. Player dismissed from team

5. Player continues to unwind on their own, acts more and more erratically, starts to cause more concern about him coming completely unhinged.

6. Team sends someone over to check on him and player loses it, calls police and spirals downward by acting out, posting threats, etc.

Here we are.

Could happen at any company, church, organisation, team, gathering, whatever at any time without it meaning there is any kind of circus or waiting scandal, expose to be had.

By all means, keep looking and hoping for one though.