OT: Death, Taxes, and K-Rod

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The depressing nature of all 3 of these things remains constant.

The Tigers rally twice, but even when he isn't the closer, K-Rod manages to lose Detroit the game. How many more appearances will he have in a Tigers uniform?

Darker Blue

May 17th, 2017 at 12:41 AM ^

I'm so fucking pissed off at the tigers. Fire everybody. 

They have a great young rotation. They have some decent young position players. If this fucking joke of a team had a fucking bullpen they'd be a playoff team. Its sad. 

DrMantisToboggan

May 17th, 2017 at 10:25 AM ^

Even if this were 100% accurate, it doesn't make him young...or cheap. The fact is that JV is both past his prime and an extreme burden on the payroll.

 

The Tigers would be good to dump everyone save for a few key young guys and Miggy (if they dealt Miggy for prospects they would rightfully lose 50% of the fan base). Keep Fulmer, Miggy, and JD. Trade everyone else or let them walk, or cut their ass. Tigers need two things right now 1) young talent and 2) money. Get rid of everyone that a contender wants at the trade deadline and find a way to move everyone else in the offseason. 

 

Also, just my wish list, it would be nice to have a catcher that can hit over two fucking hundred and that isn't the son of the GM (Avila won't be hitting over .250 by year's end obviously).

Moleskyn

May 17th, 2017 at 7:54 AM ^

After a rocky start, the bullpen has pitching well lately. The exceptions there are K-Rod and Anibal. Ausmus has given them chances to turn things around (which, given the amount of money we are paying them, is the responsible thing to do), but he has been putting them in lower and lower leverage situations, which is smart since they get shelled every time they go out. Last night, Ausmus really didn't have an option; it was either K-Rod or Anibal for that last inning. I have zero confidence that the outcome would have been any different if Anibal had gone out there.

And last night is on the offense just as much as any of the pitching staff. They had multiple opportunities to win the game and couldn't pull through. Granted, they made some great comebacks to even keep us in the game.

The sore spot on the season has been the start rotation. As Stringer Bell noted, Verlander and Fulmer are our two best starters right now, and Verlander has been average at best so far. Boyd doesn't look like he'll ever be more than an average starter at best. Norris has the potential, but he has been too inconsistent. ZImmerman has just fallen off the table. He is terrible. The rotation is more of a concern to me than the bullpen right now.

Moleskyn

May 17th, 2017 at 9:48 AM ^

Yeah, I think it's more bad luck than bad decision making, at least when looking at Sanchez and Zimmerman. They both had solid track records with their former teams, along with solid peripherals to support their production. I don't have stats to prove my point, but anecdotally, it seems that starting pitchers tend to struggle when moving from the NL to the AL. Anibal still had 2 years of solid production for Detroit, but he hasn't been the same since he started facing injuries.

In hindsight, we would have been better off ponying up to keep Porcello, and never going after Zimmerman. Their salaries are very similar. The moves to dump Price and Cespedes for the prospects we got were still very good; I still have hope that Norris can right the ship and be a productive starter.

The K-Rod signing wasn't all that bad. He was effective last year. The downside to his story is probably moreso reflective of the Tigers' alternative closer options. Rondon seemed to be the heir apparent, but he never got his control in line. Justin Wilson seems promising, but I don't see him being a long term option as a closer.

Chuck

May 17th, 2017 at 1:03 AM ^

Guy was pretty good in the 2002 playoffs with the Angels.  But, yeah that doesn't help you now.  I'm also been boozing for 13 innings at the Tigs game. Eat em' up!

Gulogulo37

May 17th, 2017 at 6:03 AM ^

It's hard for me to keep up with baseball living in Korea. I watched a game a couple weeks ago and thought, "Is that K-Rod? Wasn't he the best closer in the game, but like 20 years ago?" And then I watched him blow the lead and lose the game. That's still the only game I've seen this season. 

Mocha Cub

May 17th, 2017 at 1:49 AM ^

I checked out on them about a week ago. The way the bullpen is going, I just can't get emotionally invested with them. Too much going on. I check periodically to see how they do, but that's about it.

Blue Balls Afire

May 17th, 2017 at 3:22 AM ^

Why did I know Wilson would give up the tying home run in the top of the 9th?  He was so jacked by the prior strike out, I just knew he was going to groove a fast ball.  I know I'm not the only one who knew it, or at least felt it, too.  I really think a better manager than Ausmus would have gone out there and reminded Wilson not to groove one and to keep it low.  I know, easy to second guess.  Still, I think Ausmus is not in the same league as a Leyland or Gardenhire or Scioscia.  

Blue Balls Afire

May 17th, 2017 at 1:44 PM ^

I disagree.  To me, the pitch was letter high, not in his eyes or at his shoulders.  To a hitter, a fastball there--at the letters out over the plate--is easy (easier) to hit hard, like a hanging curve is easy to hit hard.  A fastball low and away or hard and in are more difficult to handle for a hitter.  Wilson's pitch was the perfect sweet spot for Trumbo.  IMHO.

Blue Balls Afire

May 17th, 2017 at 1:39 PM ^

That was a groove'd fastball.  It was letter high, straight (looked like a cutter that didn't cut because Wilson was jacked up and tried to throw too hard, causing his arm to lag and the ball to sail high), to a big righty power hitter.  That's a homer or gapper almost every time.  Why are pitchers always told to keep the ball low in the strike-zone?, because it's harder to hit.  A high fastball, out over the plate, especially one at the letters, is sweet meat to a hitter.  If you think a grooved fastball is a strike at the knees, that's called a great pitch.  Wilson's pitch was right in Trumbo's wheelhouse, IMO.  Difference in semantics, it seems.

Tunneler

May 19th, 2017 at 5:03 PM ^

change locations...

Speed it up, slow it down, inside, outside, high, low, straight, curve...  The pitch he threw was out of the strike zone & usually results in a whiff.  The high hard one is universally known to be a great strikeout pitch.  Did you have the benefit of watching it on replay?

If you were at the game & only seen it once I could understand. 

xtramelanin

May 17th, 2017 at 6:09 AM ^

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the tigers' bullpen is officially one of the 666 planes of hell in dante's inferno.   

MadMatt

May 17th, 2017 at 7:43 AM ^

And sadly, as the Tiger's players lose their battles with Father Time, so does an exciting era of Tiger baseball.  BTW, did Midgy get a hit?  (Seriously, I haven't seen the box score).  We've bemoaned the bull pen, but this season Cabrerra has been uncharacteristically terrible at the plate.  That's a reason right there why they are hovering around .500 even with many of the youngsters performing well.

The bitch of it all is that the last time Detroit won a game in the World Series was Game 5 of 1984.  We're a decade and counting of the Tigers being a consistent (if not every season) contender, with two World Series appearances, and getting swept both times.  The Royals had two, maybe three seasons of being a contender, made the Series twice, and one the whole thing once.  But, I'm not bitter <sarcasm mark>

rob f

May 17th, 2017 at 9:20 AM ^

I was at Comerica for the only World Series win in '06. And yes, The Gambler pitched that night. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Rogers was the only Tigers starter in the 2006 WS who didn't self-destruct defensively.

MH20

May 17th, 2017 at 8:19 AM ^

Miggy was on base five times last night: 2-for-4 at the plate with two walks and a HBP.  You want to get mad at someone in the lineup, that's fine, but Miguel shouldn't be at the top of the list.

BTW, the Tigers weren't swept in 2006.

lebriarjr

May 17th, 2017 at 8:05 AM ^

Well first off the biggest mistake was letting David D. leave and have Avila take over at GM. The Tigers been having bullpen issues for many years. We signed Joe Nathan years ago and that got the Tigers nowhere. KRod has had some good years but he's old now and not dominate at all. It's time to let him go and have some young arms take over the bullpen. The Tigers really need to focus allot more on building a strong minor league system so kids can develop to the big leagues. The Tigers minor league develop has been terrible. Look at all the schedule MLB franchises now, they are developing talent in the minor leagues and than bringing up the kids when they are ready.

Stay.Classy.An…

May 17th, 2017 at 9:16 AM ^

Several things here I don't agree with.  1) Your Avatar, cool bro! You should just get negged for that on it's own. 2) Avila has not done a bad job as the Tigers GM. Obviously his ignoring the bullpen during the off-season is now coming back to bite him, but honestly, did any of us think that Anibal and K-Rod were going to be a trash heap....? Did any of us think Wilson was going to have the stuff to potentially be a full-time closer? That's a hot take, and Al probably needs at least another full season before you can say he has done a "bad job". 3) Minor league development has not been terrible. If you are a fan of the Tigers then you would know by now that we traded away a lot of our "developed" assets to create the offense and starting pitching rotation that has been pretty solid for the better part of the last decade. Our issues are not with development, the Tigers are now just starting to pay the price for mortgaging the farm. 4) "MLB franchises develop talent in the minors and then bring up the kids when they are ready!?" Come on man, srsly? 

93Grad

May 17th, 2017 at 10:05 AM ^

Almost every move he has made has been bad: Pelfrey, Lowe, Zimmerman, Aviles, Mahtook, keeping Sanchez and KRod too long, not firing Ausmus last off season, etc. And that is just in one and a half years.

Stay.Classy.An…

May 17th, 2017 at 10:49 AM ^

Pelfrey, I will give you. Lowe, had been more than serviceable before he crapped the bed, not a bad signing at the time. Zimmerman, any team would have signed him and should have when he became available. The overpayment argument is a different story than him being a bad signing at the time. Aviles, spot-duty off the bench played in 68 games and batted .210. Mahtook, one year deal for $500,000 and is batting .184 through 17 games played. Are you really going to highlight two benchmob guys who signed one year deals.....? Nobody could have predicted that Sanchez and KRod were going to fall off as bad as they did, come on bro. I get that Avila will be judged by how they panned out, but again, I don't think any of us or any GM in baseball would have predicted that Sanchez and KRod were going to be unpitchable this season. 

rob f

May 17th, 2017 at 10:58 PM ^

Sanchez has been generally awful for 2+ seasons now. I don't think many MLB GMs would have predicted a sudden return to success this season. What's more, is it merely coincidental that Sanchez's quick decline roughly lines up with the timeline of MLB's cracking down on/increasing testing for PEDs? On to KRod: though he had good save #'s for Detroit last season, the "eyetest" method of evaluation says he had already lost a lot on his pitches and was able to will his way thru the season, relying more on guts and guile than on solid pitching. Now a year older, Father Time has further eroded his skills to the point that he's no longer much more than a batting-practice thrower. Was to this all that hard to predict at KRods' age?