OT: CJ Stroud Falling in Draft Projections
OSU's CJ Stroud was once thought likely to be the #1 overall pick, however there are concerns about his character and this:
One anonymous NFL executive McGinn spoke with cited Stroud’s S2 score and the fact he played at Ohio State as reasons why he believes the former Buckeyes’ star will be a draft bust.
Yes, it's being cited that he played at Ohio State, where their QBs are busts, as a reason why not to pick Stroud. Hear that top HS QB recruits?
Stroud's S2 score was in just the 18th percentile. The S2 measures "a player’s processing ability, split-second decisions, anticipation, adaptability and other cognitive skills."
Players like Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen scored well on the S2.
Hey, at least he can tell whether or not it's snowing.
....and that he had the flu!
I initially thought he was a top 2-3 but now thinking between 4-5 more likely.
you know, i actually don't take much joy in these things. some kid who played for the "wrong" team has his draft stock drop. I'm supposed to be happy about that?
But still
THE Ohio State University as THE reason is at least a little amusing
He'll be a multimillionaire either way. Hell, he probably already is from NIL. At that point, I don't feel sorry for someone missing out on additional wealth and success. You can feel guilt-free schadenfreude at any future Stroud failures. As long as you're not relishing in injury or death, there's nothing wrong with wishing him the worst.
April 24th, 2023 at 10:23 AM ^
I'm just happy he was an osucks QB that never beat Michigan. He had to go to the NFL. Could you imagine if he came back a 3rd year to have that Michigan defense terrorize him again? This time in A2 where everyone knows the pressure would have really been on him.
April 23rd, 2023 at 10:03 PM ^
Maybe it'll help other kids avoid making the same mistake. One or more other kids will move up so that's an immediate positive.
It's not like he won't get drafted. He'll probably go to a better organization if he falls and still be a1st round pick! At that point, if he fails then it's kinda on his ability and work ethic anyway.
April 23rd, 2023 at 11:18 PM ^
He's going to make millions and have an opportunity to prove every team that passed on him wrong. I think he will be ok.
April 24th, 2023 at 12:26 AM ^
Yeah honestly, I can't believe folks are speaking ill of CJ! He's far and away my favorite OSU QB in recent memory. The true Winless King of Columbus. Just sad he couldn't keep losing to us a few more years in a row.
April 23rd, 2023 at 10:29 AM ^
I remember watching that segment. It was A+ acting from Kirk. Surprised he didn't get an Oscar nomination.
April 23rd, 2023 at 10:37 AM ^
That's harsh. It was a heartfelt reaction to a serious subject.
April 23rd, 2023 at 11:21 AM ^
It was certainly a serious subject, but was he pandering or not?
April 23rd, 2023 at 11:42 AM ^
So heartfelt that it’s now used as a funny gif to slight OSU? It was 110% pandering.
What was he blubbering about?
Sorry. It was a reaction to George Floyd's murder and its aftermath.
Thanks for this context. Knowing this, I appreciate Herbstreit more and this meme way less.
April 24th, 2023 at 10:27 AM ^
Yeah, we know very well what the aftermath was. I dont think Kirk was crying about all the innocent people that lost their lives, homes, and businesses.
April 24th, 2023 at 12:26 PM ^
So you're a Fox News viewer? Good to know. I can safely ignore everything you say from now on, since you are regularly fed lies you seem to believe wholeheartedly.
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Last thoughts, then I'm going to go freeze my ass off mowing the lawn: 1) People using something as a meme isn't proof of anything other than "people use it as a meme" 2) Pandering by definition means that the person doing it is after something, usually profit. So, you say something you don't believe for money or power or what have you. I don't see how Herbstreit would benefit from this given the demographic of football fans. What would he have to gain from doing it? I can't answer that. 3) Bottom line is that neither of us knows the man and we can't say for certain what is in his heart. However, I'd assume Des Howard or someone who does know him would call bullshit on him if this was all an act. The issue is too important to knowingly let someone demagogue.
Anyway, the demonstrably true issue is that the next good/great OSU QB alum in the NFL will be the first. You have a great Sunday.
I'm not expecting a reply from you, so no worries. But I think your take is fair. My only retort is that I don't think he's ever cried for anything in his own sport, but now he cries about this.
Enjoy the weather!
you think it's remarkable that a person who hasn't cried about sports did cry about watching someone get murdered?
Yes I do, especially when it’s on air.
EDIT: so now I looked up the timeline. Looks like Herbie cried on air early September, about 3 months after the event. So I’m convinced more that he was pandering/virtue signaling. I can maybe understand if it was a day or 2 after, but not 3 months after on air. Not buying it Herbie!
You do realize that you accusing him of virtue signaling is itself virtue signaling, right?
I know that it would interrupt your confirmation bias dopamine feedback loop, but perhaps you could try a little bit of introspection? Just this once?
https://www.scribbr.com/research-bias/confirmation-bias/
What you're doing is called selective interpretation. It's where your previous biases color your thought process to the point where you come up with ridiculous arguments (Kirk Herbstreit was being disingenuous when talking about George Floyd) to justify your biases instead of confronting an area where you're ignorant and learning, like decent adult humans do.
Fuctionally, this "signals" what you perceive to be "virtue" to the other people that think it's more important to regurgitate that type of arrogant, misinformed, racist, callous propaganda than to genuinely care about innocent people being murdered by cops. You're just "pandering" to the other people that subscribe to your media biases.
Great job! You're very different than the people you think are doing everything just for show. Promise.
Some events just trigger people. I get extremely upset when the uvalde school shootings get brought up. Feels unfair to second guess the guy's reaction based simply off of when it occurred, or even worse, because he played for osu.
lol, "pandering" doesn't mean what you think it means.
Also, a lot of people had a similar reaction after witnessing a man get murdered on camera and/or after seeing the impact that murder had on people they know and love.
It was not an unusual response.
Is virtue signaling a better way to describe it then?
Either way, I’m not minimizing the seriousness of the situation. I’m just saying, Herbie probably has never cried on camera and he’s probably one of the few people who cried on camera total regarding this situation. There been a lot of tragic things happen in sports (you know, the industry he works in) but he doesn’t cry on camera for that.
And you know him well enough to say this? You've personally interacted with Kirk Herbstreit and talked with him about racial justice issues? Your sample size of interacting with Kirk Herbstreit, over his entire life, is large enough that you feel that you can draw conclusions as to his motives when he speaks on something? You, personally, know everything that's important to him and can enlighten the rest of us on when he's being disingenuous?
It's completely impossible that a man who has been close with black people through football for decades had a heartfelt reaction of empathy to a black man being murdered and instead he's "pandering" or "virtue signaling?"
Maybe you should be quiet. Or even better, develop some empathy and turn off the Tucker Carlson.
He came off as a tool. Watch the clip. It doesn’t have a be a racial thing to say that. Jeez.
When yet another unarmed black man is murdered by police in America, it's automatically "a racial thing." Pretending it's not is disingenuous and laughable.
Well. It’s official. We found Herbstreit’s mgo-burner account.
Listen Herbie. This is a Michigan sports blog where, among other things, we make-fun/ridicule/critique all things Buckeyes. It’s part of who we are, and I’m sure you understand that.
If you had an ounce of reading comprehension (you went to OSU, so I doubt you do), you’d realize that I was very clear that the GF incident was very serious. I never once offered an opinion on it beyond that. All I said is I don’t believe your on air moping about it 3 months after the incident was at all genuine.
So get off your soapbox, take a chill-pill, and take your crocodile tears back to 11-Warriors.
Yup. Kirk Herbstreit is a weed enthusiast that spends his days posting and lurking on a Michigan blog. Sherlock Holmes and Dupin together couldn't match your sheer investigative genius. Please tell me Chicago PD has you on speed dial for their toughest cases!
You're not making a great case for your whole argument not being a product of selective interpretation, you know. That argument was even more illogical than the last one.
Don't try to walk it back. You said that Herbie's reaction to George Floyd's murder was "virtue signaling" and "pandering." You don't get to act upset when you get called out on an ignorant opinion. You have the capability to look at your biases and work on them, you're just choosing to come up with absurd allegations to protect your tiny little ego instead.
As you said, this is a Michigan spots blog. Facts actually matter here. Do better.
If you want to be somewhere that supports spreading baseless propaganda, Columbus seems like it has your type of people. I bet Jim Jordan agrees with a lot of your points.
I’m not walking anything back. I continue to think you (I mean, Herbie) was pandering/virtue signaling.
But, what’s a more ignorant opinion:
1. Me thinking that Herbie was pandering, or
2. you thinking I’m a racist
Because while you criticize me for interpreting Herbie thoughts and actions, you seem to think it’s Ok for you to interpret mine. Hypocrisy maybe?
I don't "think" you're a racist. I've seen you demonstrate racist points of view on here multiple times. It's a fact that you're a racist, it's your opinion that you're not.
To be fair though, introspection doesn't seem like your strong suit and I think you probably also have no functional idea what racism actually is so while you are definitely, absolutely racist, you're mostly unaware of how you're racist and too lazy to do the work to improve yourself.
The very obvious difference is that I'm criticizing your direct actions, you're making up stuff about intent and criticizing that. One thing actually exists (your long and storied history of posting racist stuff here), the other just exists in your head because you're making it up to justify your opinions (I am Kirk Herbstreit, who was just pandering when reacting emotionally to a man being murdered slowly via asphyxiation for almost ten minutes).
Reality exists whether or not you acknowledge it. You're a racist whether or not you admit it, and in spite of anything you say about it. But it's fun to watch you try to deny it.
What's next? I'm an alien? I'm part of Hillary Clinton's adenochrome harvesting scheme? Am I personally responsible for putting chemicals in the water to turn the frogs gay? Come on, get creative with it.
Or can you just be honest and say that you, personally, don't give a shit if innocent people are killed by cops? That you don't acknowledge the humanity of people like George Floyd, which makes it easier for you to to detach emotionally when unarmed people like him continue to be murdered? That empathy for a black man murdered by police is such a foreign concept to you that you have to create literally insane justifications for it?
Nah. You're probably going to keep believing that I'm Kirk Herbstreit and the world is out to get you.
What?! Have not read my previous posts that the GF incident is serious and is not to be minimized. My posts are about Herbie reaction to it. If you can’t understand the difference between to the two, then you are definitely high.
I have to say, you are the most judgmental, uptight and sanctimonious weed enthusiast ever. I can’t believe I’m being called racist for ripping into an OSU guy (who happens to be white). Yep, you are definitely high.
I care about your opinions, promise. Again, you're racist whether or not you admit it, and despite whatever excuses you come up with for it.
You can't expect people to take you seriously when you say that George Floyd being murdered by police is serious and not to be minimalized while at the same time you make accusations that themselves serve the function of minimalizing his murder. You should be looking inwards and wondering why you don't have the same level of empathy to an innocent, unarmed man that was murdered by gang members as Herbie does.
The most suspicious thing, and what you've consistently failed to address in your bluster, is the accusations of "pandering" because it shows that Herbstreit's level of empathy for a murdered black man is a foreign concept to you. Such a foreign concept, in fact, that it has to be fake in your mind.
To whom, exactly, is Herbstreit pandering? Is he running for office? What does he stand to gain from an outward display of empathy towards a murdered man? Since it's so obvious to you, in all of your wisdom and your statistically significant sample size of personal interactions with Kirk Herbstreit to draw from, that he's pandering to someone, who and to what end? Do you think he's collecting checks from George Soros to spread anti-police propaganda? Please enlighten the rest of us plebians as to what Kirk Herbstreit's master plan is.
I'm disingenuously sorry if me pointing that out upsets you, but I'm not going to let you off the hook for your selective interpretation. It's arrogant of you to even have an opinion on his intentions.
It has nothing to do with Ohio State or Michigan. Both places have no shortage of traitorous, hateful racists. But it's cute to watch you squirm while you try to make new deflections.
I’m not at all upset, my friend. I had a wonderful day with my family. And I’m not squirming, I’m just having a tough time trying to figure out your logic.
Listen, it looks like you hate my guts. You think (sorry, I mean “know”) I am a racist. And I honestly don’t know think we’ll ever see eye to eye on this topic. Fine whatever.
But honestly, despite that fact that you accuse me of something so vile, I don’t hate you. I have nothing but love for you. I wish you all the best, and maybe someday we can blaze together.
I don't hate you, dude. It's a fine line when trying to explain how things are racist, especially as it's become a loaded word with different connotations to people on the left and the right. I hate police brutality because I'm a victim of it with the literal scars to prove it.
I'm passionate about that because I've lived around black people that have been treated terribly by police my whole life. I've watched babies being ripped from the arms of their parents for no reason, cops needlessly initiating violence, and a lot more. I lived about a mile from Freddy Gray when he got murdered. So with even a moment's distance I can admit that it's a sensitive topic for me.
So let me amend my point. I don't know you're a racist. I know that, regardless of intent, the arguments that you made functionally serve to gaslight reactions of genuine empathy towards the murder of George Floyd- and I can't understand why someone would make that argument except from a place of racism.
Seriously, there’s no gaslighting whatsoever. My point was to simply ridicule a buckeye, which is something we do on this blog openly and with gratitude. Nothing more, nothing less.
Ah the race card, and the anti-conservative bias.
Two for two!
Yea. And I’m not considered conservative my any means (but I have nothing against anyone who is conservative). I mean, I’m married to a Hispanic immigrant. I have bi-racial children with her. I sponsored some of my in-laws immigration efforts. I could go on.
But I really don’t care what some rando pothead calls me on the internet.
Yup. Nobody with racist tendencies has ever married or helped anyone of another race! Excellent argument. Apparently my uncle can't be racist against Chinese people because he helped a Mexican person get a visa. That's how it works, right?
Great argument! Salient, detailed, and eloquent.
April 23rd, 2023 at 11:29 PM ^
Someone upset about seeing a gang of white police humiliating and then murdering a Black man is reacting like a HUMAN BEING. That you can't seem to comprehend this says more about you than it does him.
No Oscar, but I think he got the ESPY!
On first glance at the title, I thought this post would be too much, simply mocking an individual for being less than great.
But the quotation proved me wrong: "and the fact he played at Ohio State as reasons why he believes the former Buckeyes’ star will be a draft bust."
This is pretty damn close to ON topic,
They could've added "Can't win the big game."