November 29th, 2016 at 12:09 AM ^
My post just showed me what time it is. That's 2 nights in a row I'm getting about 5 hours of sleep. Actually, three. This isn't sustainable.
Fortunately, no meetings tomorrow.
November 29th, 2016 at 12:12 AM ^
November 29th, 2016 at 12:22 AM ^
If they can get to Brian, they can get to any of us. Maybe one of us is one of them. And if one of us is one of them, maybe two of us is two of them. In fact, maybe all of us is all of them. So... wait... what were we talking about?
Oh yeah, Brian. Cut that hair, hippie.
November 29th, 2016 at 12:39 AM ^
I can't believe Brian took off the excellent article by Sam Webb. Stop holding back Michigan! Back to scout for the crusade.
November 29th, 2016 at 12:39 AM ^
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November 29th, 2016 at 12:49 AM ^
Great article by Sam Webb with video evidence that was taken down. Goes over everything discussed in detail and makes some fantastic points. Should be read by everyone even semi-intrigued by these discussions. And I would argue even for those that disapprove of these discussions - there at least needs to be accountability, and Sam Webb goes into that.
http://www.scout.com/college/michigan/story/1732934-harbaugh-should-kee…
November 29th, 2016 at 1:00 AM ^
November 29th, 2016 at 3:12 AM ^
I completely understand banning new "snowflake"-esque threads on the topic, but if there's a development in the story or something new released from a major news source like Webb or the USA Today article above, people on the board are going to be interested in that and not want to wade through a ton of posts in all the random threads to try and find new things.
I depend on this site (and the board) exclusively for UM football news. I don't want to have to start looking for other places, but if updates on a major story about Michigan are banned here, well.....
Just bizarre to take such a hard-line stance on something like this, given the topic of this site.
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November 29th, 2016 at 8:32 AM ^
+1, in the same boat as you.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:56 AM ^
Sad that this was taken down.
If we have an anti-Skip Bayless/Colin Cowherd/etc. rule, we should have a pro-John U Bacon/Sam Webb rule; anything the former two say is automatically considered to be trolling horseshit, and most publications by the latter two are automatically threadworthy.
November 29th, 2016 at 12:46 AM ^
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November 29th, 2016 at 1:44 AM ^
I've posted some screen shots at the top of this thread. I'm fairly clumsy when it comes to embedding so the quality isn't great (stretch). But during a quick rewatch, it wasnt hard to find things all throughout the game, mostly second half. Would be worth someone's time who is more technically savvy
November 29th, 2016 at 12:55 AM ^
Fuck the refs, we've come so far guys. We're so lucky that Jim Harbaugh happened to go to school at our favorite school. Go Blue.
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November 29th, 2016 at 1:01 AM ^
publish it and send a copy to every AP voters and CFP committee memebers and post it on every major social network. I will buy 10 copies of the book and donate to my local libraries.
November 29th, 2016 at 6:22 AM ^
November 29th, 2016 at 6:41 AM ^
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November 29th, 2016 at 1:49 AM ^
Viva la revolucion.
November 29th, 2016 at 1:49 AM ^
Brian,
Man up. Who is telling you to screw Michigan? You are getting weird.
November 29th, 2016 at 8:17 AM ^
Got to Warde Manual too. Lost in all of our angst over the shutdown of refereeing threads was the total puss-out of our AD yesterday.
Somewhere Don Canham is rolling over in his grave. When we got boned back in 74 by the B!G 10 he didnt issue a statement saying "the league has spoken - we have nothing more to say on the subject".
He should be up front and supporting our coach - not capitulating to fucking Delany on this issue. We got screwed....HARD...and the eye test coupled with the video evidence 100% proves it.
November 29th, 2016 at 11:01 AM ^
I am not impressed with Warde Manuel so far.
November 29th, 2016 at 12:06 PM ^
...was the guy.
The Regents should have given him a blank check to stay around for 5 years and find/groom a successor.
I don't have anything nice to say about Manuel at this point, so I won't.
November 29th, 2016 at 12:35 PM ^
November 29th, 2016 at 12:59 PM ^
My brother asked me yesterday did I think it was possible Jim could get REALLY pissed, not just at getting the game stolen from him, but by the perception that his own athletic department left him out to dry to appease the B1G executives and do something very bad.
I told him no but man that was before Manual wussed out on the issue. I cant imagine that happening but if it did......welll I dont want to think about it.
November 29th, 2016 at 7:39 AM ^
November 29th, 2016 at 7:38 AM ^
You can definitely see how people think Brian comes off as a spoiled child at times.
I wasn't upset about the calls during the game - the PI on HIll was legit, esp. upon replay.
the spot was always going to be ruled in favor of the call on the field and that's always a judgement call.
the holding/lack of holding and a couple no calls on PI and especially the spots consistently going toward OSU and against M provides a legit hypothesis that should be vetted with a complete study of the reffing in this game.
If Brian did this (not a chance, IMO) he would likely get one of the top trafficed posts on the site. If he does it and finds a pattern of bias one way or the other, that's pretty big news. If he does is and finds no clear pattern, it puts the debate to rest. if he does it and basically finds (as I would expect) no evidence one way or the other (plausible deniability, AKA ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) then that also puts it to bed, IMO b/c that's just a game called the way all games are called when there is a complaint against the refs (see: any PSU loss).
Quantitatively speaking, If greater than 85% of the spots are judged in OSUs favor AND/or 85+% of the holding calls and no calls and/or 85+% of the PI calls and no calls are in PSUs favor, I'd say that's evidence of clear malice from the officials.
60-85% would be a plausible deniabilty --> this is what I'd expect on the road in Cbus.
less than 60% is standard, close to a 50-50 called game.
I think it's a slam dunk for the blog to do this, but Brian's too much of a baby/coward to do it.
November 29th, 2016 at 3:14 PM ^
November 29th, 2016 at 7:55 AM ^
Taking all the pictures that Marley posted in this thread and creating a diary based on that. Would Brian allow for such a "consolidation" ? It's a national discussion that isn't going away, because people are seeing exactly how the refs changed the game.
As people are reviewing the footage, new outrage is being sparked at the non-calls much more than the spot at the end. Big 10 apparently didn't look at those.
Edit: AND some interesting spots I missed before. Here's a yard for you... but not for you!
November 29th, 2016 at 8:14 AM ^
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November 29th, 2016 at 8:33 AM ^
Michigan considers the matter closed, we should consider the matter closed. As long as I live, I will see that game as 50% given away and 50% taken away. However, for my own sanity, I have to let it go. Believe me, it would be a lot easier to do that where I grew up in Midland than sitting in my office, looking at the Horseshoe. I have to though. I have to start sleeping again and stop snapping at my wife and kids. I wanted that win more than most, but that's why we love sports, nothing is given. We had a chance to take it, but we didn't. The matter is closed.
November 29th, 2016 at 8:58 AM ^
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November 29th, 2016 at 11:35 AM ^
Has Manuel commented on the game?
November 29th, 2016 at 1:11 PM ^
He said the matter was closed. Of course, I hope that behind closed doors he reads the Big Ten the riot act. For my own personal sanity, I have to try and move on. Yet, here I am, hoping for some news to validate these feelings I can't seem to shake. I would give my left nut for another chance at those guys on a neutral field with neutral refs. I don't think that will happen, though, and I don't even think any statement from the Big Ten would assuage my anger.
November 29th, 2016 at 8:44 AM ^
Granted, I'm still upset about the loss but you guys know my situation. Yesterday's death offered perspective.
That being said, I think this story about the refs should not be forgotten, as it reeks of shit.
November 29th, 2016 at 8:47 AM ^
You're too important a voice to take this stance. This was a season-long issue that we mainly giggled off because steam rolling teams in spite of it all makes for an easier pill to swallow. But the officiating from this game was a straight up injustice caused by incompetence, mallace, or both. The "we had our chances" hot take is beneath you. We had to be good enough to beat both Ohio State and the refs on Saturday, but we were only good enough to beat one. Burrying your head alongside Delany doesn't just make the issue go away.
November 29th, 2016 at 8:51 AM ^
Brian, your site is one of the few remaining independent sources for sports talk, please don't quash this. There is a mandate to discuss what happened on Saturday with respect to officiating and this site should be a place for that discussion. Furthermore, you, as the site's main purveyor, are best suited to lead the discussion. It is most of our opion that we got thoroughly jobbed last Saturday. There's a slim chance that most of us are maize and blue homers seeing something through our maize and blue glasses, but I highly doubt it. Again, this should be vetted.
November 29th, 2016 at 9:03 AM ^
If there is more behind your choice to ban further "ref" threads, you should at least obliquely mention why. I could envision a few scenarios in which it makes sense to shut down further discussion. Otherwise, I just think this is a bad decision on your part, for several reasons. First and foremost is integrity of the game that we're all clearly obsessed with.
November 29th, 2016 at 9:06 AM ^
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November 29th, 2016 at 9:20 AM ^
I get that there have been too many "snowflakey" type of threads on the topic, but what was taken down last night was one of the more thoughtful and reputable articles that I've seen so far. Just when the main stream starts to pipe up, we get shut down here? It's not a good look.
And FTR, I hadn't even read the deleted threads, much less commented in them. You shouldn't make assumptions. I care about transparency, not preserving my precious comments. If you hadn't noticed, this is kind of a big deal story.
Oh, and my question/comment was directed at Brian. Not sure why you felt the need to answer for him.
November 29th, 2016 at 9:22 AM ^
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November 29th, 2016 at 9:31 AM ^
Love the passive-aggressiveness, btw. I usually respond to comments without reading them, I think that's the 'merican way. You clearly didn't read mine.
November 29th, 2016 at 10:24 AM ^
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November 29th, 2016 at 10:33 AM ^
:)
You too.
November 29th, 2016 at 10:36 AM ^
Yes, why stop now? Don't you know we are only 4 threads away from having the call reversed and being declared National Champions in perpetuity?!?!
November 29th, 2016 at 12:27 PM ^
Still the cool guy, I see. It's kind of a big deal, and just telling the peanut gallery to stop talking about it kind of comes off in a bad way.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:57 PM ^
Look, I am upset as everyone else here. I just don't think we need 150 further threads about how one of the ref's brother's ex wife's neighbor once saw Craig Krenzel at Wal-Mart. It's not going to change the outcome. There are dozens of threads and, by default, no new information forthcoming. M I don't understand why this is even a controversial move by Brian and I am far from his biggest fan.
November 29th, 2016 at 2:57 PM ^
Look, I am upset as everyone else here. I just don't think we need 150 further threads about how one of the ref's brother's ex wife's neighbor once saw Craig Krenzel at Wal-Mart. It's not going to change the outcome. There are dozens of threads and, by default, no new information forthcoming. M I don't understand why this is even a controversial move by Brian and I am far from his biggest fan.
November 29th, 2016 at 9:09 AM ^
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/94570042/?client=ms-a…
The Big Ten fined Michigan $10,000 on Monday because Wolverines coach Jim Harbaugh ripped into the officiating that contributed to Michigan’s 30-27 loss. It was a justifiable action. But with that, the conference said the matter is closed. Fat chance. Closed in the mind of Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany perhaps, as he buries his head in the sand and refuses to answer some important questions.
The Big Ten did not respond to requests for comment. but Tiller said he thinks the conference probably changed its policy because it has struggled to hold onto top officials hired away by the NFL. It’s easier to retain officials if a conference allows them to work games closer to their homes, according to Tiller.
After that, Tiller said, background checks became part of the Big Ten’s hiring process for officials. He said it’s up to the conference to hold them accountable. But on Monday, someone else escaped accountability. The Big Ten itself.
November 29th, 2016 at 9:23 AM ^
Such as the ADs, conference, etc. would much rather handle this behind closed doors so of course they are wishing the public outrage just die down.
Also. When someone with power does wrong... they aren't going to appreciate being called out on it. That's why you're hearing things in response like "Well Michigan made mistakes" without mentioning that OSU made even more mistakes. This wouldn't be a conversation if it was a case of, well shucks, you know, the home team is going to get a few more calls than the visitors. There's a perception of a systemic problem, together with the lack of transparency, that will invite conversation whether the powers that be like it, or not.