MSU Just Went "All Online" for the Fall

Submitted by FauxMo on August 18th, 2020 at 5:24 PM

Email from MSU President Stanley. All students planning on living in residence halls instructed to "stay home." 

I expect the same for UM...

blizzardo

August 18th, 2020 at 7:54 PM ^

PEOPLE WHO QUESTIONS OTHER PEOPLES DECISIONS THAT AFFECT THEIR LIVES ARE STUPID AND IRRESPONSIBLE. WE SHOULD JUST BLINDLY ACCEPT WHAT WE ARE TOLD AND NEVER TO FACILITATE DISCUSSION. IM CONTRUTING SO MUCH TO THE COVERSTATION. I AGREE WITH EVERTHING YOU SAY. PLEASE LIKE ME

/s

Bo Harbaugh

August 18th, 2020 at 5:36 PM ^

Can't imagine having this shit during my HS / college years.  Hoping it's a 1 year thing for this generation and life gets back to normal sooner rather than later.  A shame we couldn't do better as a country to tackle this thing.

NittanyFan

August 18th, 2020 at 6:32 PM ^

I find those numbers to be disturbingly high.

Now, people will commit suicide even in the best of times.  It cannot and will not be reduced entirely.  But it can be reduced partially.  Giving people a sense of purpose and joy in their lives is a way to reduce suicides and improve mental health.

Many of our current solutions as regards CoronaVirus are responsible for stripping people of a sense of purpose and joy and decreasing mental health.  If we have even one CV case, we default to absolutely NO college sports, absolutely NO classroom experiences, absolutely NO Church services, etc

The lack of acknowledgment by many as regards stripping people of purpose and joy --- that angers me.  The cure has become worse than the disease, IMO.

NittanyFan

August 18th, 2020 at 8:35 PM ^

The converse to that: COVID19 is presenting a stress-test that amplifies a bunch of physical problems that already existed pre-pandemic.

If we're being fair, COVID19 disproportionately kills those with pre-existing physical problems.  That makes COVID19 dramatically unlike the 1918-19 pandemic.

Now, we're (rightfully) doing some things to protect those folk.  But I'd also argue the mentally weak and those who struggle under mental pressure deserve just as much consideration as the physically weak and those whose bodies are most susceptible to disease.

NittanyFan

August 18th, 2020 at 9:53 PM ^

So, would it be fair to say that their purpose could also be described as this?

"Stay at home, while neither being allowed to earn money nor being allowed to realize the pride that comes with supporting yourself and your family.  And do this for possibly months on end, until some indefinite date in the future.  That date is unknown."

Perhaps you find that a meaningful purpose in life.  I don't.  I think many don't.

trueblueintexas

August 18th, 2020 at 10:35 PM ^

This type of binary argument is representative of what has created the divide in our country. Who wants people to be out of work? Who wants to see families struggle? No one I know. 
I also don’t want to see people needlessly die or have long term health issues. 
It would be great if our politicians could get over themselves and their party loyalties to work together for all Americans. At this point, I have no illusion of that happening. The responsibility falls on us. The path forward requires we start believing we actually care about each other and put aside divisive arguments for the sake of trying to prove a point. 

NittanyFan

August 18th, 2020 at 10:44 PM ^

To be fair, my response was as regards someone who implied that "stay at home" is good enough as regards one's life purpose.

I'm not one who wants 100,000 people at a Dallas Cowboys game anytime soon.  I DO want us to realize that eradication is impossible anytime soon, and for us to realize there will be some baseline level of infections that is inevitable.  And I want us to show the resiliency and courage (yes, courage) to take some steps forward despite that, in order to protect people beyond simply CV infection.

Jon06

August 20th, 2020 at 4:59 AM ^

It's good enough as a purpose through February 2021. It's unfortunate that the end won't come sooner, but holding out until American history's greatest homegrown threat to American democracy is defeated is also a good purpose.

Nobody should be so self-centered as to be proud of taking unnecessary risks that will sicken and even kill their compatriots. Much better to be proud of taking part in a civilization that provides for and protects its members.

blueheron

August 18th, 2020 at 9:09 PM ^

I see a bunch of credentials (PhDs, etc.) at the front of that CDC article, so it's not garbage, but ...

Anecdotally: I ran this by some mental health professionals (psychiatrist, psychologist, a couple of social workers in that field) in my extended social circle at a recent *outdoor* event. They acknowledged that stress has increased for many but mostly thought that the suicide numbers were bullshit. They guessed that question was asked in a way that would yield unrealistically high numbers.

Side note: People who in the past wouldn't give a shit about the idea of mental health are suddenly concerned about suicides.

NittanyFan

August 18th, 2020 at 6:58 PM ^

It's not a narrative if there are signs it is true.

Take, for instance, the Cincinnati Reds.  My favorite baseball team.  In playing baseball, they likely have less interaction with folk than your average college student.

One Cincinnati Red, however, tested positive for COVID on Friday evening.

Since then, the Reds have now had games postponed on Saturday, Sunday and Tuesday.  Monday was already an off-day.

This is for ONE case.

If that's not zero-tolerance, what is it?

NittanyFan

August 18th, 2020 at 10:22 PM ^

I don't believe that I have been flagrantly dishonest.

But I am open to hearing you out.

Can you provide 2 explicit examples of my flagrant dishonesty?

I've been accused of promoting a narrative of "zero cases tolerated" --- but then when I provide examples of such in real-life, I get no thoughtful responses that at least acknowledge the example I provided.

I'm sorry, but I think that's weak as far as a conversational tactic, and I don't think me bringing up the Cincinnati Reds example was dishonest in any way.

NittanyFan

August 18th, 2020 at 8:44 PM ^

I bring up the Reds because they and MLB are a real-life example of "zero tolerance."

If it wasn't "zero tolerance", they would have played a baseball game on Saturday.  (1) Sit out the one guy who was positive (everyone had an idea who the guy was anyway), (2) mandate the Reds and Pirates don't do anything at all outside of the hotel and ballpark, and (3) emphasize as much as possible the mask mandate for the guys playing in the game.

The game could have been played.  Instead, we're at a point where each Red needs 3 consecutive negative tests before we can move on.   

It does look like Cincinnati will play Wednesday.  But --- now Atlanta has a scare.  If they miss a game, Wednesday will mark the 24th consecutive day that at least one of the MLB teams has an issue.