Clarence Boddicker

October 17th, 2021 at 2:40 PM ^

"Fish don't fry in the kitchen
Beans don't burn on the grill
Took a whole lotta trying
Just to get up that hill

Now we're up in the big leagues
Getting our turn at bat
As long as we live
It's you and me, baby
There ain't nothing wrong with that.

Well, we're moving on up..."

greymarch

October 17th, 2021 at 2:42 PM ^

UM deserves to be ahead of PSU and Iowa in the polls.  Iowa was exposed as a paper-tiger.  Iowa defeated PSU.  Soon PSU will get into the tough part of their schedule, and also get exposed.

 

However....does UM deserve to be ranked all the way up to #6?  We will find out 13 days from now, in East Lansing.

 

#GoBlue

Rickett88

October 17th, 2021 at 2:58 PM ^

I don’t know if MSU is the qualifier for how high we should be ranked. Now, we beat PSU and MSU, it’s a different story, but those teams individually are like Michigan, lots of questions. 

OSU is still the gold standard to how good we are, and by that time, the story might have already been written. 

Rickett88

October 17th, 2021 at 4:53 PM ^

I guess my overall point is if we beat MSU, are you picking us to beat OSU? For me, it’s still a strong NO until I see it happen. 

I made this point weeks ago (and got negged to oblivion), but I think there are 2 (3?) really good teams, and about 23 others that are interchangeable depending on the way the losses played out. I’m glad we are one of the 23, and I hope we stand out of that group.  

stephenrjking

October 17th, 2021 at 4:07 PM ^

Yeah, don't see how anyone can look at Iowa's win over PSU at home and not account for Clifford's injury as the major factor. I mean, good for Iowa winning the game they had and everything, but their entire gameplan was to grind out points and count on PSU to accomplish nothing with their backup QB. 

 

True Blue Grit

October 17th, 2021 at 4:57 PM ^

I think that's almost always Iowa's strategy in big games - try to grind out points, not turn the ball over, and play good defense, and hope they're ahead on the scoreboard at the end.  It must drive their fans crazy.  Because sometimes, when the offense isn't clicking at all and their defense isn't lights out (like on Saturday), they're exposed.  

TrueBlue2003

October 17th, 2021 at 11:15 PM ^

Exactly if you're ranking teams, you discount that loss for PSU (they were clearly the better team with their starting QB) and discount the win for Iowa which is why they fell so far.  It was pretty clear they weren't close to the second best team but the pollsters put them there by default (and because of their earlier wins over IU and ISU that looked better at the time).

Eng1980

October 17th, 2021 at 8:11 PM ^

Auburn is still a mystery and possibly pretty bad (like the rest) so one good-ish win doesn't do much for me.  Maybe if they beat Ole Miss next week.  On the other hand, I suspect I choose to underrate PSU because all their wins seemed to be based on arm punts (which continue to work so something must be there) and other wild cards.  PSU rarely dominates and maybe to their credit they find a way to win.

TrueBlue2003

October 18th, 2021 at 11:33 AM ^

I choose to underrate PSU because Michigan fared significantly better against the one comparable game: at Wisconsin.  PSU pretty much got dominated that game and just got lucky to win by, what, six?

Clifford has seemed to turn it around.  He's pretty good but not great I would say.  Had a really good game against Auburn which isn't nothing and was pretty good against a still good IU defense.

SHub'68

October 17th, 2021 at 6:58 PM ^

The eye test on all of the Big Ten teams just gives me fits seeing them all as highly as they've been ranked. Except OSU, lately.

Iowa was never the 2nd best team in the country - that was just ridiculous.

For the record, I'm also having a hard time believing UM is #5. The offense just sputters too much.

It's pretty likely PSU, MSU, and U of M take each other out of the picture. Maybe one of them will come up with something big against OSU and at least make it interesting.

R. J. MacReady

October 17th, 2021 at 2:45 PM ^

What’s funny is all the MSU slappies saying ‘Michigan is overrated’ and ‘Michigan has played no one.’

 

really ?  Who the heck has Spar-tee beat as a signature win?  2-4 Miami?  Indiana?

???

MacMarauder

October 18th, 2021 at 9:12 AM ^

True but our record is boosted by NIU and Western's wins. If you change it to P5 only Michigan and MSU have very similar records. M's opponents 11-16, MSU 13-20. If you assume that we beat NW then our P5 opponent record will go to 14-20 so nearly identical.

I would put our win at Wisconsin as the best win by either team but beyond that the resumes are pretty much the same IMO.

Newton Gimmick

October 17th, 2021 at 3:04 PM ^

#8 in new SP+ (predictive, not resume-based) rankings:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/32417173/college-football-sp+-rankings-week-7

One below incredibly (as Bill has admitted), stubbornly 'good' Wisconsin

As most of us know, MSU is about as good as Nebraska, with all the clutch/luck while Scott Frost somehow lights his corn flakes on fire every week.  

A screenshot for non-subscribers: 

Newton Gimmick

October 17th, 2021 at 3:42 PM ^

It's shocking for sure, but due to that elite defense it's hard to pick a team below them that would be easy favorites over Clemson on a neutral field.  Maybe Oklahoma with Williams?  But the stats don't parse that out.  Even supposedly invincible Georgia only beat Clemson by 7 (which helps explain the ranking) 

Newton Gimmick

October 17th, 2021 at 6:41 PM ^

I think he's said that keeping recruiting rankings incorporated as a piece has proven to give reliably predictive results overall.  His model isn't perfect, as it doesn't parse things like injuries or new QBs, but generally does a good job of anticipating and beating the point spread (57% clip this season).  Most of the criticism centers around things like polls and won-lost record, which are far worse metrics for predicting future results