Harbaugh extension?

Submitted by Northville on January 23rd, 2020 at 1:11 AM

I'm really surprised this isn't the #1 subject on this board. Is the UM administration just gonna let Jim's current contract run to its final days? Please, no. The clause/dates mentioned in these articles seem nuts. 

How is the program supposed to recruit with what looks like a lame duck coach? 

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2020/01/elephant-in-the-room-jim-harbaughs-contract-at-michigan.html

https://www.maizenbrew.com/2020/1/22/21076155/michigan-football-jim-harbaugh-contract

https://www.si.com/college/michigan/football/michigan-football-fans-split-on-extending-jim-harbaugh-contract-beyond-2021

Gucci Mane

January 23rd, 2020 at 1:18 AM ^

Harbaugh will be able to handle this however he wants. The Michigan AD has no negative thoughts towards Harbaugh. And they shouldn’t.  I’m a big believer in a coach having 100% or 0% support. A hot seat is never good. 
Hopefully he does sign some sort of extension, for recruiting purposes. But this is really a non issue.  

Northville

January 23rd, 2020 at 1:33 AM ^

A non-issue? Recruiting is not a non-issue. If you were an elite recruit considering UM, you wouldn’t wonder about what happens in two years? 

The AD supposedly having cozy vibes about Jim is nice and all, but it’s the rest of the world I’m worried about (and it’s what those articles are alluding to). It’s the kids and parents being asked to commit their hopes and dreams to a lame duck. And it’s the other coaches in their ears saying Jim won’t be around much longer with that ugly OSU record, etc. etc.

If this AD is truly 100% on Jim and wants recruiting to hold-up vs. the OSU’s of the world... s*** or get off the pot. Extend him now. Push in your chips. Seems crazy not to do so. All it does is raise more doubt. And there’s plenty of that already.

 

 

JonnyHintz

January 23rd, 2020 at 5:13 AM ^

K... but he has a full two years left on his deal. He’s not entering his final year with the entire fan base up in arms about the guy. Big difference. This IS a non-issue. There’s no real urgency, and nobody outside of chicken little fans and stir-the-pot media care about this. Two years left on a deal isn’t “lame duck.” With two top 100 recruits committed for 2021, and in phenomenal position for a few more, it’s certainly not effecting recruiting.

Northville

January 23rd, 2020 at 7:35 AM ^

Okay, but, #1 class OSU has nine committed and UM hasn’t landed a 2021 kid since...

What more does the AD need to see? If he’s Harbaugh or bust, is he really waiting to see if we pull one out in Columbus next year?

I don’t know why a supposed Harbaugh superfan, faced with the objective reality of Harbaugh’s increasingly bleak record, which is no doubt increasing ammo for negative recruiters, would let seeds of doubt grow. I think the urgency should be there.

Ryan Day is sitting there looking like “the future” while Jim is limping along towards... somewhere. If he’s truly your guy, why let him? It’s too easy to tee this all up as impending doom. To call it an elephant. Because that’s what it is.

But okay, kick the can. I’m very interested to see where this 2021 class winds up.

1VaBlue1

January 23rd, 2020 at 7:56 AM ^

It must suck to live in your world - all negative, all the time.

Harbaugh just signed a top 10-15 class filled with 4-star depth players and a lot of speed everywhere.  The early returns for 2020 predictions looks pretty nice, top 5-10.  He's finally got an offense that can move the ball consistently with a philosophy that is as modern and competitive as any of the death star programs are running.  His defense continues to be an annual top 10 affair.  He just made, by all accounts, two outstanding coaching hires.  He has a brand new training and support facility to better compare with factories like Clemson and Bama.

Settle the fuck down.  If you want him gone, that's fine - just say so.  Warde will have a new contract for him when they both decide its time to do so.  I mean, Warde is nothing if not a competent administrator.

Northville

January 23rd, 2020 at 7:30 PM ^

If UM doesn’t move on this before 0-6, they might set-up the embarrassing scenario of watching Day get an extension while still deciding Harbaugh’s fate. Bleh. UM rewards a loser while OSU rewards a winner.

Another reason why, if they believe in Jim, they should double-down on him sooner than later.

Oh wait, you got your facts wrong, Day has FOUR years left. 

JonnyHintz

January 23rd, 2020 at 11:29 AM ^

Why does the number of commits matter? Players can’t sign for another 11 months. 
 

If your only point is to compare our class to Ohio State, you’re going to be incredibly disappointed. They have the on-field results. Until Michigan wins on the field, they have no hope of competing with OSU who can whip out Big Ten titles and CFP berths in recent memory. OSU out recruiting Michigan has literally nothing to do with Harbaugh’s contract status. 
 

Again, Michigan boasts two top 100 commits and sit in great position for quite a few others. Obviously your chicken little attitude has ZERO basis in reality, as this class appears to be shaping up to be our best under Harbaugh. 

ERdocLSA2004

January 23rd, 2020 at 11:38 AM ^

So you want Harbaugh to get an extension?  You think he should be let go? He’s a lame duck coach but really isn’t?  Harbaugh is a good recruiter or isn’t one?  OSU recruits better because their coach currently has more years on his contract?  I truly have no idea what you’re arguing.  I don’t think you know either.

All you need to know is Manuel will pay Harbaugh and allow him to extend with a $0 buyout so he can go coach the Cleveland Browns.

Chalky White

January 23rd, 2020 at 7:26 AM ^

You can't be a lame duck with two years left on the contract. 

I was telling a guy at work that I have no interest in firing Harbaugh until he proves he can no longer recruit. I don't know what happened to the Harbaugh who went to a game and volunteered to work the chain gang because they were short staffed or the guy they said was running his staff into the ground with the satellite camp schedule. 

I have little faith that firing Harbaugh is going to produce a coach that can beat OSU. Realistically these 17 or 18 losses span four coaches. I can't convince myself that the fifth guy is going to magically figure this out.

BroadneckBlue21

January 23rd, 2020 at 9:20 AM ^

Fodder. Harbaugh is always leaving according to every rival coach and media outlets. And he’s wanted fired by angry entitled fans after every loss who want the glory days of...Lloyd Carr’s typical 8-9 win seasons with better talent.

People who want a new coach are silly as hell. Justin Fuentes has done nothing great since moving up; Todd Herman has floundered with more talent at Texas; Scott Frost has shown he’s not as great in a P5.

It takes time to build powerhouse. Harbaugh has two years left, including this one, so what makes him any more likely to leave than Lincoln Riley or...Matt Rhule (oops)? Unless the AD shows wish washy support and the team has a losing season, why would a recruit worry any more or any less about their coach’s status. Years on the contract don’t matter that much. Perhaps Harbaugh wants to leverage his next season’s success before he talks extension—maybe he’s talking extension. These articles are written by journalist in the dead season. JH is easy pickings. 

Ezeh-E

January 23rd, 2020 at 10:30 AM ^

I'm not a recruit, but if you're UM and you're already asking a recruit to take something of a perceived risk relative to OSU/Bama (lower % of making NFL, less up front $, more class in person), you'd want to limit additional perceived risk (will the coach even still be here, or will I have a new coach who will want to bring in his system and his guys after I've paid my dues?)

4EverBlueGirl

January 23rd, 2020 at 12:17 PM ^

Is this really an issue at all?  We live in a time when kids enter the transfer portal in droves.  We also live in a time where there is a real possibility that athletes will be able to make money off their likeness and endorsement deals.

Do you really think kids are seriously analyzing the longevity of contracts two years out?

Robbie Moore

January 23rd, 2020 at 1:15 PM ^

"If this AD is truly 100% on Jim and wants recruiting to hold-up vs. the OSU’s of the world... s*** or get off the pot. Extend him now. Push in your chips."

Why do you assume that Warde Manual is the reason an extension has not been agreed to? We know from the process of hiring Harbaugh that he does negotiations in his own way. Which is unlike almost everyone else.

blue in dc

January 23rd, 2020 at 8:14 AM ^

Even though I suspect you are right that both parties want an extension, they may find themselves in a bind over details.  Harbaugh is the 3rd highest paid coach.   It is hard o argue the results warrant that.   A very good season next year or other coaches getting bigger contracts would help both sides agree at a salary that would not represent a pay cut.

uminks

January 23rd, 2020 at 1:41 AM ^

If Harbaugh wants an extension, he will get one. I'm sure any future extension will have an exit built in for any NFL job Harbaugh would be interested in.

Northville

January 23rd, 2020 at 7:16 AM ^

Yes. I’m serious. Thanks. As were those three recent articles I posted. I don’t think they were trolling. But maybe you are?

Regardless, thanks for keeping this a great place to feel like a fan can discuss something beyond unicorns and rainbows.

Seth

January 23rd, 2020 at 7:26 AM ^

Coach has a 5-year rolling contract. Michigan fires him anytime they are on the hook for the next 5 years.

Since his contract is not what motivates Harbaugh, unless he voluntarily wants to take less money to add to his assistant pool or something, fiddling with it doesn't seem to accomplish anything.

 

Gucci Mane

January 23rd, 2020 at 7:34 AM ^

So you are saying Harbaugh is continuously signed for the next 5 seasons ? And despite being signed for half a decade at all times, the OP and some media articles are worried he isn’t signed long enough ? Lol wtf 

Northville

January 23rd, 2020 at 8:09 AM ^

So, okay, say it’s true, for sake of argument. Is this a common thing to have in a coaching contract? Jim’s contract just auto-renewed? I find this hard to believe and could find no evidence of it. And somebody needs to correct all these sites. If true, Jim may want to clarify how (ridiculously) stable he really is at UM. 

Northville

January 23rd, 2020 at 9:40 AM ^

I believe we will hear about an extension soon. My assumption is they are working out the details. The longer they let that elephant sit there, the bigger it gets. The “lame duck” narrative only gets stronger. 

Per the UM Live article alone, it’s clear to me why this could be an issue. And that article has been shared over a thousand times. People talk. Recruits listen. They need to stabilize the perceptions on this for the program’s sake, IMO. Before it spirals. It’s bigger than Jim.

 

HenneGivenSunday

January 23rd, 2020 at 10:03 AM ^

I’m sure they’ll settle it, but I disagree that anyone other than a couple salty beat writers are paying much attention to this.  I’ve never heard of anyone consider 2 years remaining to be “lame duck”, but if they let it get to next year at this time, I agree that it is something to be somewhat concerned about.  I’m guessing that the reason it isn’t done is because neither JH nor Warde Manuel feel this is urgent.  

JFW

January 23rd, 2020 at 10:10 AM ^

So, you're worried about negative recruiting by our opponents. 

Do you think that if they sign an extension tomorrow the same guys won't be saying 'Harbaugh is just one step away from a return to the NFL? Look at the X tribune naming him as a possible candidate for the Y NFL job....'

I think that if Harbaugh wins the B1G next year with a 4 year contract extension you'll hear Franklin saying 'Now he's won the B1G...He's moving on.... You really think he'll stay?'

Unfortunately, according to the press, our Coach just sucks ass and is a huge disappointment. Except for every NFL team that wants him. So we'll just have to deal with that. 

Seth

January 23rd, 2020 at 5:52 PM ^

I mean, it gets discussed so much I haven't looked back at it myself. IIRC the "lifetime contract" stuff in 2017 was a misunderstanding of an interpretation of a clause when his contract re-upped. By all means research the details; I didn't even know until now there was a possibility I had misunderstood his situation.

UMfan21

January 23rd, 2020 at 10:01 AM ^

Ok Rileys contract was rolling due to an extension clause which gave him an extra year for every bowl game they made.   So not technically perpetual, but given the number of bowl games these days, he basically had a perpetual contract.

 

https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/2014/12/how_mike_rileys_contract_with.html

mlaw17

January 23rd, 2020 at 10:16 AM ^

Nope, doesn't appear anywhere else. Sometimes people mis-remember. Happens to everyone.

Harbaugh has his main contract you linked. He's also got the loan agreement with the university.

https://www.toledoblade.com/attachment/2016/08/17/Harbaugh-loan-agreement-pdf

 

The 5-year "rolling" contract is for Beilein. Also, it doesn't renew every year and become a new 5-year contract -- anythings possible, but that kind of contract seems nuts. It's a regular 5 year deal that becomes a year-to-year deal until either side terminates the contract.