Hang the Banners
Seconded. Fuck the NCAA.
Completely agree. We punished ourselves way too hard back in the early 2000s. Especially given the shitshow the NCAA has turned into, and the fact their inaction drove away the best coach we ever had.
Give 'em the middle finger. Hang the banners. Have the Fab Five at Midnight Madness and go get some Mickey D all americans. Bring the swagger back.
The North remembers.
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Why?
Like it or not, Michigan Basketball broke the rules and got caught. The wins were vacated. The banners were taken down. It's long past time to move on, even if Juwan is the new head coach. With a little luck, he'll hang new ones and no one will think twice about the others that have been gone since November 2002.
Leaders and Best: It means something.
We've hung two more NCAA Final Four banners since then and people still want them up. I say fuck it, it happened, so put em up. Idc if it counts in the record book, just acknowledge it in Crisler
So maybe don't hang the "Official Banners", but for goodness sakes hang something that honors The Fab Five. It is a once in a lifetime event when a basketball team transcends sports and makes a huge impact into the culture itself. The Fab Five was that. Hell, just hang a banner that says "Home of the Fab Five". Just something to acknowledge how amazing they are. Yes, they did some bad thing for sure... no doubt...but everyone has.
Hang up jerseys for Juwan and Jalen's 93-94 All-American season. Hell, I'd like to see them do that in Crisler for all of the All-Americans.
Someone call Warde with this idea. Stat.
Look around. No one cares about players being paid. It's one of the reasons why we just lost our coach. We don't suddenly get a championship banner because Louisville vacated their games that season, so we'll just acknowledge what those players earned in their time here.
It's not about what other programs did or didn't do, or what program did or didn't get punished.
Michigan broke the rules. Michigan imposed sanctions on itself (note: NOT the NCAA), which the NCAA agreed to, which included vacating all wins beginning with the 1992 National Semi-Final, and taking down the banners commemorating two Final Four appearances.
It all boils down to whether or not you actually believe in the kind of program John Beilein is handing Juwan Howard. Beilein did things the right way, and we lauded him for it. Why do we want to do anything to go back on that? Or act like it doesn't matter?
By most credible accounts, the NCAA's complete shrug emoji to any- and everything related to the bag is reason 1A as to why Beilein left.
Hang the banners.
Literally no one cares in 2019.
The NCAA can kiss our collective asses. The games happened and the NCAA is on their way to becoming our FIFA. Hang the banners and let the holier than thou crowd bleat until the cows come home.
The Fab Five is back. Michigan Football has an edge to it now (MSU game stuff). LOVE it.
Erasing history is dumb. Vacating wins is ridiculous. Hang the banners
So if the current Michigan leadership has different thoughts what will your argument be?
No, we lauded for Beilein for getting results. His frustration with the "rules" and refusal to budge is why we lost him. That old dog should have learned new tricks.
Leaders and Best at flogging ourself. Cool.
Very few people think like Bando anymore and that's a great thing. There is nothing morally wrong with paying players and it's not a real rule when it isnt enforced. Respecting the NCAA doesn't make you a "leader." It makes you a sucker.
We are basically penalizing the entire team for one players transgression and it was not Michigan that gave him the money and it was not to go to Michigan he could of went where he wanted and would have still got the money.
If the University is fine with having one of the players from the era RUNNING THE PROGRAM, then they should be fine with putting those banners back up.
Not sure if that's exactly a good thing to say about the university...
Posbang time!!
I'm not that worried about hanging old banners, I hope Coach Howard helps us hang some new banners.
I loved the Fab Five as a kid and still think it's questionable that Webber got nailed when his relationship with Martin went back to when he was in middle school (which should have made Martin a "family friend" per the NCAA) . . . but I'm out of energy for this debate.
Hang New Banners, not the old ones.
Raise your glass.... To the Old Banners and the New! ?
In Juwan’s office
Michigan in their minds did the right thing at the time. Unfortunately for them they believed the NCAA would continue doing the right thing. We have countless evidence that the NCAA doesn’t care about rampant cheating.
Hang them back up ASAP!
Maybe this is what the "negotiation" was. Howard demanding they put the banners back up lol
That and season passes behind the bench for Chris, Jimmy, Ray, and Jalen.
Damn straight OP.
HANG THE BANNERS.
In a world where the NCAA doesnt care about the LSU HC being on tape offering "a damn good offer" or the Arizona HC paying players out of pocket and doesnt even wonder why Memphis is suddenly the destination spot for 5 star players why are we not displaying a reminder for what we accomplished back in the day?
HANG THE MOTHERFUCKING BANNERS HIGH!
Actions have consequences. Sometimes you don't like the consequences. Sometimes other people do worse things and get away with it. But that's life.
Again, Leaders and Best: It means something.
And sometimes you hang the banners.
Now would be an excellent time to do just that.
Please tell me exactly what the heck you think that means? Don't feed me any crap about holding ourselves to higher standards because if we did then we wouldn't have let the rule breaking go on as long as it did. If this was football I would agree, but NCAA basketball is so corrupt it's just dumb to act like this stuff matters. There is nothing to lose in hanging the banners. There is zero integrity in the sport, the rest of the country laughs at anyone who claims they do it better or cleaner than anyone else. All you will hear in these conversations is everyone is dirty, no exceptions.
Let me know when the 2013 NCAA title banner is going up and I'll believe that actions have consequences.
2019 sees Mary Sue's "day of great shame" as disgracefully snooty, out-of-touch white privilege that it was. Bando Calrissian probably still plays the audio file of it when he needs a pick-me-up.
The world passed you by, Bando. Again, that's a good thing.
in a way we were just early adopters here. put 'em up. fuck the NCAA.
Exactly!! Head coaches on tape!! They still have a job because LSU DGAF!! Sean Miller still has a job!! Because Zona DGAF! Head freaking coaches not even handlers on tape
Hang the fucking banners
I'm pretty sure he means New Banners. He even leaves a clue. HANG "EM JUWAN!!! GO BLUE!!
At this point you might as well.
JB is gone and the basketball fanbase is losing its collective shits.
What a lazy coaching search. I'm okay with Howard but Warde not interviewing at least one decent candidate is, not cool.
But he did interview at least one decent candidate.
And then he hired him.
Someone’s grandma could have suggested to look at alumni or past players. The only non Michigan person interviewed used it to get a raise.
Why even hire a firm to help.
To justify spending money on something other than paying kids to keep college athletics at an Amateur status. That’s why a search firm is hired.
You hire a firm because the coaches you seem to have wanted to hire don’t interview. You guage their interest, figure out what their price/buyout is, and do some background work so that when you hire them without an interview something doesn’t come out about them six months later putting egg all over your face. And it’s that work that is done by the firm, even if it ultimately doesn’t lead to a hire of any of said coaches.
Whole heartedly agree, Juwan was never implicated anyway