Freep Article on Winovich

Submitted by StephenRKass on

There is a nice article over at the Freep on Chase Winovich.

LINK:  http://www.freep.com/article/20130604/SPORTS06/306040018/michigan-wolverines-recruiting-chase-winovich

Much of the discussion here and elsewhere has questioned whether his offer list and 3 star ranking are in synch. There are a couple comments in the article that shed some light on this for me (which is why I posted a link for the article):

Although he’s a three-star prospect, Winovich has plenty of upside for the Wolverines. He played safety as an underclassman for Thomas Jefferson High School and made the switch to linebacker during his junior campaign, while also starting at running back for the Jaguars. The position switch paid off.

“My numbers seem low when you compare them to other (top linebackers), but I think I had like 77 (tackles) and the next kid on my team had like 40,” Winovich explained. “I did make all-conference, and I only played linebacker for about eight games last year.”

If last year was his first year at LB, and he already did this well, it would explain why both Hoke and Urban were interested in locking him down. I actually think he was ranked appropriately, but I also believe he has a high ceiling. I'd love to see him redshirt, just like Ryan, and come in and play in 2015 as a redshirt freshman.

Section 1

June 4th, 2013 at 11:09 AM ^

As far as I know, Drew Sharp had nothing to do with Stretchgate.  Sharp isn't smart enough, or calculating enough, or competent enough to engage in that sort of carefully-concocted malice.

Stretchgate was the product of Michael Rosenberg, with the help of Mark Snyder.  The Freep editors later engaged a couple of other reporters, including the paper's real investigative reporter, Jim Schaefer, but the story -- the Free Press allegations, that is -- quickly flamed out.  All that remained was the kernel that the Freep had instigated an NCAA investigation, which was surely Michael Rosenberg's aim.  And it was then that NCAA investigation that (a) damaged Rich Rodriguez and the Michigan football program and (b) determined that the original Free Press published allegations were mostly overblown and misreported hyperbole.

The basic reader on the subject of Stretchgate is John U. Bacon's Three and Out.  Brian Cook published his own thoughts on the subject in many places; this link is a good place to start.

New York political writer Jon Chait, who was a friend and colleague of Michael Rosenberg insofar as both were Michigan Daily editors (and Chait had done a favorable review of Rosenberg's book War As They Knew It) absolutely ripped the Free Press story the moment it came out in the early fall of '09.  His two online GBMW columns are essential reading on the subject.  Here and here.

Rosenberg quit the Free Press and now works for SI.com.  He keeps a generalized distance from Michigan athletics despite still living in Ann Arbor.

Mark Snyder is obviously still at the Freep.  And to my observation, David Brandon's attitude toward Snyder is "talk to the hand."  I think it extends to most of the Michigan football coaching staff, and some of the basketball staff.  When Snyder gets an interview these days, it is usually with a recruit or a freshman who hasn't been in Ann Arbor long enough to know about his depredations in July and August of 2009.  Snyder still stands by the rotten and defective story that he and Rosenberg concocted.  He deserves to be given the cold shoulder by every single Michigan student athlete, coach and administrator.

As for Drew Sharp, that human waste of newsprint, my favorite quote from him is that, "I used to be a Michigan fan.  Then I grew up."

To all young Michigan student-athletes: if you want to talk to someone in the press, there are plenty of people to talk to and get your story out.  There is MGoBlog.  There is the superb Angelique Chengelis at the Detroit News, whose own friendship with Rosenberg was very rightly strained over Stretchgate.  There is Larry Lage of the Detroit Associated Press office.  There is the Michigan Daily, and many others.  There is no good reason for you to talk to Mark Snyder, and there is very good reason for you to never talk to Drew Sharp.

 

Jaqen H'ghar

June 4th, 2013 at 2:01 PM ^

  1. Two things I want to see -- a one-game metallic/chrome Michigan winged helmet and...a Michigan-Michigan State night game at either place

     
  2. before what? your retirement?

     
  3. funny you keep mentioning retirement. thanks, mark

     

Just want you to be happy

 
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keep_em_honest

June 4th, 2013 at 11:27 AM ^

Wasn't it Michigan players who ran off to the Freep crying foul?  And it was more than just a "few hours of stretching."  You sound like a bucknut defending Tressel.  I think a GA got hit with a 10.1 violation (lying to the NCAA) and the program got hit with a FTM, which was later reversed, but you don't get hit with that unless something is systemically wrong.  The staff screwed up big time. 

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Monocle Smile

June 4th, 2013 at 11:38 AM ^

It was NOT Michigan players "running off" anywhere. One was a former player and a little butthurt, but the Freep instigated the entire thing.

The findings of the NCAA investigation are actually mostly irrelevant in this case. The ONLY reason they conducted it was due to a shoddy bit of journalism that lied about the reported overages.

A GA lied to the NCAA. That's all the GA, as he was dismissed.

The COMPLIANCE staff screwed up big time, yes. It had nothing to do with the coaching staff or their methods. The Freep tried to portray Michigan as Football Gitmo and it inadvertently uncovered two dudes who just stopped doing their jobs for a year.

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Section 1

June 4th, 2013 at 11:59 AM ^

You are full of shit today.

We don't know of any then-current Michigan players who supported the Stretchgate concoction.  Brandin Hawthorne and Je'Ron Stokes both were interviewed by Rosenberg, on media day, and both of them were horrified at the way their quotes were misused.  Rosenberg did not tell them the nature of his story.  And Rosenberg has never come close to offering a sensible explanation why he felt he needed to give anonymity cover to former players, but not a pair of then-freshmen who had only been with the program a few weeks.

I think the safe bet is that Rosenberg talked to two vulnerable, misled freshmen, and a few disgruntled ex-players whose cellphone numbers he and Snyder happened to have.  What Rosenberg did to the two freshmen was inexcusable and unforgiveable.  That was the subject of Angelique Chngelis' deepest criticism of Rosenberg.

Not a single Michigan player "ran off" to the Free Press.  We know that, for a fact.  Rosenberg was asked if he had been approached by any players, or whether he had sought out each and every player/family interview he did.  It was the latter.  Rosenberg and Snyder looked for a story, and they approached every single player who was a source.

A GA did get hit with lying.  He was fired.  His lying had nothing to do with practice hours, but rather with job descriptions and GA activities.

As for any systemic errors, the one charge that the NCAA folded on was the charge of a failure to monitor by Coach Rodriguez.  The University denied it, Rodriguez denied it and together they won.

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RedGreene

June 4th, 2013 at 11:58 AM ^

Are you still pretending to be a Michigan fan?  I get why you would be embarrassed to admit to being an ohio state fan, but this is just sad.

Maison Bleue

June 4th, 2013 at 10:36 AM ^

I have not been on this board very long, but I would imagine it stems from the "witch hunt" and one-sided reporting by the staff and specifically Michael Rosenberg in regards to the off season over practicing/working out that resulted in the only major sanctions in the history of UM Football.

EDIT: This may help you understand the hate : LINK

Mr. Yost

June 4th, 2013 at 2:23 PM ^

...it's a SHIT newspaper as well. That's why I don't read it. I'm mainly over what they did or tried to do to Michigan.

But that doesn't excuse the terrible writers that they have with a CLEAR agenda. Like Drew Sharp, he's ALWAYS got to say something with an underlying "fuck them" behind it. Always. Even if he gives a compliment it's backhanded.

I hate that ESPN interviews him in regards to Michigan. I'm not saying I want to hear all good things or fluff...but don't be a dick disguised as something else.

You could call Drew Sharp right now and say "I heard Hoke paid a recruit" and he'd be on the highway beating off at the thought of bringing Michigan down and formulating his article "Source: Hoke paying recruits to attend Michigan."

They're not reporters...they're clowns. Also, they dig for "shock value" to sell papers and get clicks, that's bullshit. Report the news, don't make it up.

Mr. Yost

June 4th, 2013 at 2:17 PM ^

Magnus somewhat disspelled the theory that Winovich's offer sheet exceeds his ranking. I believe he showed the #29 (or something like that) OLB for the past 3-4 years and they all hand a somewhat similar offer sheet.

I think it's important to remember that you get WLB mixed in with SLB and people use OLBs differently depending on their scheme. Lastly, SLB at Michigan and SLB at another school could be two totally different positions and two totally different players.

I'd be interested to see where Winovich stacks up against all of the "like" players...like Hubbard out of Ohio.

Magnus

June 4th, 2013 at 2:24 PM ^

Here are the next two SAM-type prospects on Rivals' rankings beyond Winovich:

#31 Kobie Walker: KENTUCKY, Arizona, Miami, Oklahoma State, Wisconsin
#33 Sam Hubbard: OHIO STATE, Miami, Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford

 

big10football

June 4th, 2013 at 4:47 PM ^

I don't think he dispelled anything. You can't fairly compare a recruit's June 1st offer sheets to another recruit's January offer sheets.  The 29th linebackers in those previous classes committed much later than Winovich (three of the four committed in January).  The longer a player's recruitment goes on, the more likely he is to rack of better offers as other players of the same position come off the board.  Being a team's plan F or G option a month or two before signing day is not the same as being a team's plan B or plan C option in the summer before your senior year. Comparing Winovich's offer list in June to those other players' offer lists in January is not apples to apples. 

StephenRKass

June 4th, 2013 at 10:12 AM ^

[EDIT:  meant to be in response to Magnus.] To each his own. I respect your choice. But not being as plugged into the Ann Arbor football world as you are, I'm willing to get Michigan news from most anywhere, whether it be TTB, the Freep, or Eleven Warriors. MGoBlog will always be my prime source of info, but you never know what else you might see on occasion.

BTW, I think the TTB rating on Winovich is within reason, as are 3 stars. It remains to be seen how well he grows and develops.

klctlc

June 4th, 2013 at 10:29 AM ^

Apologize in advance for hijacking, but Magnus' post really got me thinking. I still don't like the free press and rarely go there for the same reason.  It is more sub-conscious than anything else and i know it is stupid. However, for anybody who was on this board regularly during the RR era, you  know how bad it was after roundtree and the IL game, after losing to MAC teams, etc.. To see that BS come out about practicegate was terrible, it was piling on and Rosenberg is a piece of Sh*t.  Can't forget.

StephenRKass

June 4th, 2013 at 10:48 AM ^

Rosenburg was the main culprit at the Freep, imhe. Are you waiting til Snyder is gone too? Remember, Tim Sullivan (the author of the article) used to be here at MGoBlog. Did you have a problem with Tim? Was he a traitor when he left MGoBlog? I mean, at what point do people let something go and move on?

Section 1

June 4th, 2013 at 11:26 AM ^

Sorry, Mr. Kass.  You should leave these Freep fluff-links off The Board, in my humble opinion.

Let's review.  What you read was some nice happy-fluff about Chase Winovich.  I don't suppose that much of it was news to you, since you know this site very well.

What you saw was "confirmation news."  Hey, our guy Chase Winovich got mentioned in the Deee-troit Free Press!  Yay!

Bullshit.  We should not be giving the Freep any more page-hits, for fluff like this.  I'm not even much of a hard-liner about Freep links.  I never promoted any Freep "boycott" as a serious matter.  If they publish something that is newsworthy or controversial or otherwise Board-worthy, I won't complain about a Freep link.  But your link is the sort of crap that they want linked at places like MGoBlog.  They'd love it at the Freep, if MGoBlog drove page-hits their way.

Any questions?

Monocle Smile

June 4th, 2013 at 10:58 AM ^

What does Sullivan have to do with anything? Magnus is very clearly talking about those responsible for the "Free Press Jihad" and I'm not sure in what universe his comments could mean otherwise. Why do you feel the need to whip out a straw man?

Rosenberg and Snyder didn't just commit awful journalism, they won an AWARD for doing so. I might click on Freep links after they're gone, but I won't forget that the paper endorses unethical practices.

Monocle Smile

June 4th, 2013 at 3:30 PM ^

But his name has never come up in the boycotting of the Free Press. It's been made obvious ad nauseum that it's about the people involved in the "Jihad" and that as long as those people are employed by the institution, the institution will be looked down upon. Sullivan is not one of them and no one implied such, so it's more strange than anything else for StephenRKass to act as if Magnus holds a grudge against him as well.

MaizeNBlueInDC

June 4th, 2013 at 11:20 AM ^

I’m with you, Magnus.  The fact that no one at that rag ever admitted to or apologized for their woefully lacking standards of investigation and support for the Jihad and continually lined up to defend the authors and story even after the NCAA said it was overblown is what keeps me from ever going there.  Numerous journalists came out at the time criticizing their methods and motives (e.g. columnists with well know agendas authoring this “investigative piece” and tricking a couple 18 year old kids into thinking they were talking about how hard they were working and twisting it into “proof” that the program was running a sweat shop where the rules were deliberately disregarded) in addition to many others.  Never did the FREEP accept any culpability for error or overreach in their tactics.  Rosenberg is gone and that is a step but until the paper admits to their obviously poor/suspect research and writing of this crap story, I can’t respect their work nor can I trust their products.  So as a news source they are pretty much useless.

FreddieMercuryHayes

June 4th, 2013 at 10:10 AM ^

The parrells to him and Jake Ryan are very similar.  Both seemingly came on later in their careers (although Winovich still earlier than Ryan), both around the same size in high school.  And both are white.  Which is how I really judge similarity between players.