The Homie J

January 14th, 2020 at 1:48 PM ^

This is much needed good news.  D-line has failed us for the last 3 years, making it all too easy for the best teams on the schedule to run over us.  2016's all NFL d-line made Don Brown's job easy.  Hopefully our d-line next year can do that again.  

DrMantisToboggan

January 14th, 2020 at 3:49 PM ^

He's playing out of position when he's at Nose, because he's a 3T. He should not be an Anchor.

The greatest 3T in my lifetime at Michigan was about 6'1 285. The top 3T drafted last year was listed at 6'1 287. Kemp is incredibly standard size for a 3T in four man front. He's smaller for a Nose.

It should be noted that nobody on Clemson's line is over 300lbs, and the line we started in the bowl is bigger than Clemson's at every position. This flavor of the week with our fanbase that our DTs MUST BE 300 LBS is not really based in anything. We need good DTs - their weight is largely irrelevant.

funkifyfl

January 14th, 2020 at 4:08 PM ^

Is Clemson an outlier on this though? It does seem like some beef on the interior DL would be helpful. Is this something Venables is uniquely recruiting for or adept at using? 

Does our competition in the B1G play into this at all (i.e. we know Wisco is on the schedule, and a brief search turns up that Minnesota, IU, and PSU all ranked top 25 for OL weight in 2019). 

DrMantisToboggan

January 14th, 2020 at 5:19 PM ^

No, not really. Clemson has mainly been running the Tite defense of late (aka the 404 because you play your DEs in 4s and your lone DT in a 0). It's effective against modern spread offenses. Their DEs are both 6'2 265 and their lone DT is 6'2 295.

Clemson is not the only school to use this defense. Iowa State has been highlighted as one of its pioneers at the FBS level. We spent a good amount of the bowl game in Tite, and Alabama had their worst offensive game of the year until our offense couldn't stay on the field and the defense got tired. Paye, Hinton, and Hutch are a really effect front for running Tite.

It's pretty clear to me that this is the defense that Brown has been recruiting for the last couple cycles. We've placed an emphasis on long, athletic, positionless DL with frames to add weight, and safeties who can cover. Brown clearly wants to run more 30 front, 3 safety defense.

MGoBlue96

January 14th, 2020 at 4:33 PM ^

Honestly it feels like the people who obsess over the size thing really are living in the past. You can't get away with slow not very athletic guys at any position in order to combat modern offenses. In the best case you get  a guy who is 300+ and freakishly athletic for their size but there are not a whole lot of those recruits walking around. Size at DT will be fine assuming Hinton and Smith make their way into the rotation.

GRBluefan

January 14th, 2020 at 2:07 PM ^

That makes me feel much better about the D-line next season!  Even if he isn't going to be a world beater, there is definitely something to be said for a being able to plug in a smart, reliable veteran 

chunkums

January 14th, 2020 at 2:10 PM ^

At worst, our DL will be a little better. Healthy Dwumfour and a bigger, stronger version of Kemp will be back. At best, Mazi and/or Hinton will pass at least one of them. I think there's a good chance that we run a ton of 3-3-5 next year based on Brown's tendencies, so the direness situation could be overblown.

OwenGoBlue

January 14th, 2020 at 2:21 PM ^

Good news! I think Kemp can go from solid to consistent plus at DT.

Guys largely are who they are at this point but more depth/fewer snaps and another year of polish for a guy who didn’t play DL before college could defy that. 

UMinSF

January 14th, 2020 at 3:10 PM ^

I think this is fantastic news. DL was a weakness for us this year, especially DL depth. 

IMO our DL will be much better next year, as Hinton and Mazi continue to develop. Now we've got the bodies to keep guys fresh, and won't be devastated if a guy gets injured. 

I don't understand people who say college players "are who they are" by the time they're seniors.

IMO, most guys get better. A few decline, a few stay the same (and sadly a few get injured), but like young people in any discipline, most continue to improve.

This is especially true for linemen, because with age/training comes increased strength/power/technique. There are many, many cases of players who finally reach their full potential their final year on campus, and senior leadership is incredibly valuable.

All in all, we've fared pretty well in terms of attrition. Lots of good players returning in key positions.

MGoBlue96

January 14th, 2020 at 4:36 PM ^

Very optimistic about the DT's next year. Assuming Smith and Hinton progress Kemp, Dwumfour, Smith and Hinton are a solid rotation at worst. Then maybe get an unexpected contribution from someone else to actually have decent depth.