ESPN Update on Patterson Appeal
This article suggests that Michigan was allowed to submit supplementary material after Ole Miss filed their response which contested the eligibility of the six transfers. That's very good for Michigan. Mars seems to think that NCAA is acting efficiently and will have a decision soon.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/23019676/attorney-encou…
of the petty bureaucrat.
you re-submit her application to a fine SEC institution and then tell her that the bagman money is time dependant? Would they approve it then?
Jerks.
I don't really understand why Ole Miss even has a say in this?
I wonder if the NCAA objections to spelling the class differently by one letter had to do with the use of the wrong your / you're
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This is a Michigan message board, not OSU.
the oddsmakers in vegas think patterson will be eligible so thats a plus
That ESPN story has not one single word about the fact that Ole Miss is fighting the waiver. Not one. It talks about Harbaugh using him in spring practice, but nothing about Ole Miss fighting the transfer waiver. Fair and balanced reporting, right? Right...
never watch, never listen.
I think he knew they were dirty, but didn't know the extent. The players cases are that the staff told them that the punishment wasn't going to be harsh while they were recruiting them. I assume the coaches were telling recruits that they would just lose some scholarships and get a slap on the wrist. In reality they got a 2 year bowl ban and other things.
It is funny, right? I mean, everyone killed Ole Miss for being dirty because a bunch of random 5 stars with no ties to Ole Miss just went there out of the blue and got them into this mess, but I bet the random 5 star QB with no ties to Ole Miss who just went there out of the blue was on the up and up now that he's a Michigan recruit. Nothing to see there, I'll bet.
Ole Miss hired his brother. That flirts with being an NCAA violation but isn't inherently one. He also partly grew up in Louisiana, so this wasn't a guy from Chicago somehow landing in Mississippi.
Mostly grew up in Toledo, but yeah they had his brother. LSU had his brother, which is why he was committed to LSU for a minute. Then OM hired brother away and got Shea too. Not overtly shady.
He was never committed to LSU. He was committed to Arizona. It's arguably even more shady, because Patterson's brother was already on staff at LSU, Patterson picked Ole Miss over LSU, and then his brother immediately emerged on staff at Ole Miss. Why didn't Patterson just pick the objectively superior football school in his current home state with his brother already on staff over Ole Miss?
Good Lord.
Don't you think Michigan would have looked into this before they offered him as a transfer?
1. They aren't going to offer a kid a transfer spot if there is even a small chance that he was receiving any kind of improper benefits.
2. They were pretty good when he signed there. It's not like he randomly signed with a shitty school from a small conference.
3. LSU has had some pretty shitty QB play in recent times.
4. In 2015, the year before he signed, Ole Miss finished 2nd in their division while LSU finished 4th.
5. Ole Miss runs an offense that is better suited for his skillset.
I'm sure you gave all these benefits of the doubt to the parade of five stars that got Ole Miss into this mess. Shea Patterson was the only five star who signed with Ole Miss that was above board because "Ole Miss was pretty good" and ran an offense every other big time program, with the exception of like, five, also ran. All the other OOS top 100 kids (Treadwell, Nkemdiche, Tunsil, Lodge, Jefferson, Anderson, Little) that enrolled at Ole Miss were in on the take, but Patterson was the only one who wasn't.
Pardon me if I don't particularly buy that. Especially when you look at the circumstances surrounding Patterson's commitment to Ole Miss (brother leaves job at LSU for identical job at Ole Miss exactly at the same time Patterson picks Ole Miss over LSU). I'm not saying Michigan is offering Patterson any improper benefits right now, in fact, I'll explicitly say they aren't. But I think it's delusional to assume Shea Patterson's commitment to Ole Miss was 100% free and clear of any improper benefits, and if Ole Miss really wants to roll around in the mud here because their feelings are hurt, they can probably expose that to the NCAA.
There's nothing about the circumstances of Shea Patterspon's commitment to Ole Miss that look normal, and no one here would be pretending it does if he was pursuing a transfer to anywhere other than Michigan. Can you imagine how many threads would be on this board if OSU was trying to get his immediate eligibility? C'mon.
-The school that you are referring to (LSU) is one of the "five" schools that run an offense that doesn't fit his skill set.
-The year prior he watched Chad Kelly (similar skillset) dominate the SEC.
-Yes, his brother got hired by Ole Miss. That wasn't against any NCAA rules. So is Devin Bush's recruitment sketchy because his dad was hired by Michigan?
-What is odd about his recruitment other than the fact that his brother was hired at the school? (Not a violation)
-Another part of your argument is that EVERY 5* they got was being paid. Where is the evidence to this? Did some players receive benefits? Yes. That doesn't mean every 5* that signed with Ole Miss received benefits. You are making assumptions.
-Once again. Harbaugh and the University of Michigan aren't going to accept a kid from a program that is in the middle of getting sanctions without doing their due diligence. It would bring a black cloud over the program if someone found out we took in a player that received improper benefits and he would likely be deemed ineligible anyways.
-Wouldn't Michigan be worried that their own report might uncover their player getting paid?
For the record, Patterson was a "pro-style" QB coming out of high school, so it was Ole Miss--not LSU--that didn't run an offense conducive to that.
What part about Patterson's commitment to Ole Miss isn't odd? He's an out of state kid with no direct or indirect ties to the program. He was the number 4 player in the country and the top rated QB, picking an SEC also-ran mired in controversy dating back to a string of similar sketchy commitments in 2013. How many best players in the country go to Ole Miss? His brother left a GA coaching position at LSU after Patterson picked Ole Miss over LSU for a lateral position at Ole Miss? Add up all the context, especially in the hadow of the ongoing issues with Freeze, and why isn't that commitment a little bit weird?
Also, I only listed the five star/top 100 commitments from out of state. There were others from Mississippi who I didn't list that I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to as recruits who could have reasonably picked their in-state football school without receiving money to do so. I struggle to offer the same benefit of the doubt to kids from Texas or Tennessee or Illinois who pick Ole Miss.
In regards to your due diligence point, maybe in year one or two the risk isn't worth the reward, but the pressure on Harbaugh to win this year is quite palpable. As is the pressure to put a competent QB on the field. It isn't 2015 anymore.
Perhaps, I doubt it, you forgot what school you are associated with, what school you're accusing and what coach you're accusing." but the pressure on Harbaugh to win this year is quite palpable" That is absolutely laughable. You should probably tell Harbaugh he has extra pressure on him. Perhaps there is so much SEC ingrained in the city where your school is located that you just cannot understand how the sports programs are run in Ann Arbor. One word: Clean.
I cannot believe with the amount of points you have that you would actually not just entertain the thought but actually put your name to the idea. Do you actually expect people to believe this? If you print it on your local blog, no doubt. You should leave it there, seriously. This is not a school being investigated for allowing players the benefit of new vehicles, for just one violation, and have their starting qb drive up in a new fucking car. I have read some dumb fucking posts on this site. And you've obviously made some contributions or you wouldn't have the points you do. But, sir, on this one you blew it so fucking big time I still cannot believe an otherwise right thinking person would even entertain the thought, let alone put it to print.
I'm sure Shea took into consideration that the recruiting services deemed him a "Pro-Style" QB when making his decision. He knows his skill set a lot better than any recruiting service and he is clearly a Dual Threat guy.
There is nothing sketchy about recruits leaving the state. It literally happens all of the time. Especially since they are from the same region. It's not like he went acrossed the country to play football.
You keep bringing up the fact that his brother left to go to Ole Miss the same time that he was being recruited. That wasn't against the rules. His brother left LSU the week before he committed so it was probably already in the works. Did the Patterson's use Shea's commitment as leverage to get his brother a job? Probably, but once again, that doesn't break and NCAA rules.
The due diligence part wouldn't just be for Harbaugh. You don't think Warde didn't have the compliance dept look into it? This would look bad for him as well and he clearly knows the circumstances.
Your argument is fully based on assumptions. You assume that since a couple guys were receiving benefits then everyone was. Recruiting is often a chain reaction and the hot teams get recruits. Ole Miss got hot by cheating in 2013-2014 recruits noticed and started heading there. Other recruits notice which teams are putting together good classes and they want to join.
too many people give a fuck what you buy and what you do with it once it's purchased. But it's not surprising that you wouldn't buy it inasmuch as they'll undoubtedly give it to you if you ask.
You are right, my bad, but that was because his brother worked for Arizona at the time. Had the two mixed up. His brother worked with current Michigan recruiting staffer Matt Dudek at Arizona at the time.
Either way, he was clearly following his brother around. You're talking about a family with Michigan season tickets, that sent their kids to top private schools for football and tons of camps...we're not talking about a family that is looking for handouts here. Shea wanted to play where his brother worked.
I do disagree with the interpretation Patterson followed his brother around. It appears his brother followed him around.
I don't think so. Sean was at Arizona before Shea committed and left LSU before Shea committed to OM. That article even says that Sean is reportedly joining the Ole Miss staff, which tells me that that move was in the works for a while. The most anti-Shea way I can interpret that is that they moved to Ole Miss congruently.
This Jabroni frequently ignores facts or twists things around to fit his narritive. I've yet to see any hard facts from him. His argument is "Some guys got paid so therefore everyone got paid."
I mean, Harbaugh hires the relatives of his players all the time. Also, there's a school in Louisiana that is pretty famous for football, so idk. Besides, Shreveport is essentially Texas, it's not near the Mississippi side, and it's not near the NOLA/SEC side sections of Louisiana. it's not culturally similar. It's really aggressively giving someone the benefit of the doubt to say Shreveport, LA is basically Ole Miss. I'm sure if Shea Patterson was fleeing Ole Miss for Alabama everyone would be like "Oh yea, nothing improper with his commitment to Ole Miss and attempts to gain eligibility at Alabama."
The NCAA has a shit show on its hands. They have Ole Miss openly cheating, then slandering their old coach. They have the FBI investigation into college basketball. They have numerous sexual allegation issues... the smart thing, IMHO, for them to do would be to say 'Whoa, lets just let them transfer and move on so we can deal with major fires'. But the NCAA seems so damned impressed with itself, and so damned stupid, that I think they may block this just cuz.
That's my thought (hope) as well. The NCAA is already under fire for not paying players, not allowing them to use their likeness, and restricting their ability to transfer while coaches are making 6 million dollars a year and can walk out the door 2 days after a kid signs. It would seem the PR win here would be for them to let all of these kids play and then clarify the rules if similar situations come up later. It it's a subjective ruling about seven 20 year old kids against a giant behemoth sports organization you would hope they would lean in favor of the actual kids.
If college players are paid where will the money come from?
It sounds like when paying college players is talked about it is meant they should get a paycheck. There would be some money too from what you say. But I'm pretty sure those lobbying for it want the players to get a cut of the money brought in. So I want to know, where do those advocating for paying the players think the money is going to come from? I think it would come from raised ticket and pro shop prices. It may also come to pay-per-view. Because I don't think those currently making the money that is coming in are going to give up part to the players. The money will have to come from somewhere else.