NY Times Loyola op-ed

Submitted by Blue Vet on

[Apologies if this has been posted but I haven't seen it here.]

Earlier this week, the New York Times carried an opinion piece by a Loyola professor contrasting education (i.e., Loyola) and "big-money" schools (i.e., Michigan).

A good education means knowing the importance of evidence. Yet this champion of education neglected to note that 4 of Michigan's top players made All Academic Big Ten. In addition, he ignored Michigan's international reputation for academics. (It's also harder to get into than Loyola: UM's 29% acceptance rate vs. L-C's 60%).

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opinion/poetry-march-madness-basketb…

maquih

March 30th, 2018 at 2:13 PM ^

I'll take Michigan's academics over any school on the planet.  No offense, but Loyola-Chicago is even less well know for academics than it is for basketball.

A Lot of Milk

March 30th, 2018 at 2:22 PM ^

My sister was accepted into UM engineering (no scholarships) but also got a full ride to Loyola, so she had to choose between education or money. Needless to say, she's a wolverine

Valiant

March 30th, 2018 at 2:24 PM ^

After reading some of the comments here, I was expecting to get fired up by the article, I actually thought it was a pretty good piece.  Seems like some folks here are being overly defensive about a perceived slight against Michigan.  I didn't really see it that way.  I also didn't think he was necessarily claiming academic superiority to "big-money" schools, but rather his appreciation for the smaller role that athletics play at (his) smaller school.  Thought it was a mostly fair criticism of the NCAA in general.

taistreetsmyhero

March 30th, 2018 at 2:34 PM ^

I love college sports, and I couldn’t imagine a college experience without big sports being at the center of it. However, I do have huge problems with the NCAA, and I acknowledge that, right now, major sports and the NCAA go hand-in-hand. I still didn’t really see the author try to make any connections between big money in sports and worsening academics.

Um1994

March 30th, 2018 at 2:59 PM ^

Absolutely correct.  There is no slight here whatsoever to Michigan – or any of the other schools in the final four, as I see it.  It was an interesting article, and you could only interpret that the author was bashing anyone if you were looking to have hurt feelings.  I could easily see something like this being written by a Michigan professor, only with a much more negative view of athletics and its impact on academics. 

brad

March 30th, 2018 at 3:09 PM ^

This article isn't even infintessimally offensive to UofM. in fact, it points out the community-building aspects of college sport, which we clearly encourage.

Doclosh

March 30th, 2018 at 4:07 PM ^

About a dozen years ago, one of my sons applied to U of M.  He was a 3.9 student at a well regarded Michigan public high school with a good ACT.  He waited 4 months to get in and only after he agreed to take an extra academic class in his last semester.  While his application was being considered, one of his best friends decided to apply to Loyola.  They both applied, on-line, during lunch one day. There were no essays required by Loyola.  My son was accepted in 10 days and for more than a month he received calls from Loyola admissions offering him scholarships to attend.  Loyola may be a fine school, but it is nowhere near the academic institution that Michigan (and many other Big 10 schools) are. 

Blue Vet

March 30th, 2018 at 6:07 PM ^

To be clear, when I posted the NY Times op-ed, I meant no disrespect to Loyola-Chicago. I teach at a Catholic school myself, and believe we provide a good education. I believe Loyola-Chicago does too. I also believe they've got a good team.

I posted because Michigan is implicitly included among the "big-money" schools, where players "become in-house professional athletes, without the paychecks, but often with plenty of valuable perks. Their training, practice and game schedules leave little time for class, let alone studying. Many don’t get diplomas, which they’ll need because the majority of them won’t play pro."

A problem in higher education? Absolutely. Sometimes a problem at Michigan? Maybe. Sometimes a problem at Loyola? Enough of a chance that he probably shouldn't be throwing shade, even if he covers his ass by not naming names.

And now, like Ace, I will curl into my own ball of anticipation.

Eng1980

March 30th, 2018 at 6:15 PM ^

Story is about students and the college experience with an emphasis on the comaraderie that is created when sharing an experience.

With all the emphasis on the the money behind the national sports landscape and the NCAA  I see no reason to think this  guy had any thoughts of Michigan.  I doubt he wrote it with any thought of the next opponent.

Thank you for posting.  I thoroughly enjoyed the article.

C-Bar

March 30th, 2018 at 7:39 PM ^

well, Loyola is a D-1 school, and chose to willingly assume all of the not small cost in terms of coin and effort that takes to be D-1. It's clearly not like D-3 Williams mentioned in the post yesterday or former Big Ten Univ of Chicago which chose to move to D-3. Relatively speaking, Loyola is (by choice) a big money school but may not be as successful in its big money pursuits. That professor it seems lost his perspective a bit.