SpilledMilk

January 20th, 2018 at 2:54 PM ^

I think your QB was the main issue. Don't tell me that you believe OSU would have won a title had our team not injured Barrett during The Game. Hell, I'm not sure they would have made it past Wisconsin with JT behind center. Tom Herman owes Michigan big time because that was the luckiest moment of his career.

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buckeyejonross

January 20th, 2018 at 3:22 PM ^

I disagree. If JT was the problem and not the lack of Herman, why were OSU's 2014 and 2017 offenses very good? Why couldn't OSU's 2015 offense get out of its own way all year? That offense had Warriner at OC, Cardale at QB, 'Zeke at RB, Curtis Samuel at HB, Mike Thomas at WR, and sucked 50% of the time. Literally couldn't move the ball against Hawaii or NIU. Got dominated by MSU. Needed 'Zeke to rip off three different 50+ yard runs by himself to move the ball against IU.

Unfortunately (for me), Warriner had the most talented college offense in a while in 2015 and blew it. He was a great OL coach. His 2012-2014 lines at OSU were excellent. His 2015 and 2016 offenses were anything but. It is what it is. OSU fired him for a reason. He took a demotion to Minnesota's OL coach for a reason. And now he's a glorified GA at Michigan for a reason.

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Wolfman

January 20th, 2018 at 3:37 PM ^

I think OSU's problems were internal. That was a shit ton of talent to appease and look what happened the moment they had to deal with something that was really Urb's fault. The guy doesn't make that many and imo he should be forgiven for the occasional slip-up. He has far fewer than anyone else, and that includes that cat in Bama land. There are instances, and OSU was one in 2015 where you just have too damn many stars and not enough people willing to do the heavy work. I was embarrassed for them as a team when the camera panned the locker room and players were bitching about a man that had taken them to the pinnacle. Seemed just wrong to me. 

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buckeyejonross

January 20th, 2018 at 9:52 PM ^

For the record, 'Zeke's post-MSU comments were very specific and pointed: He was specifically bitching about the OC (Warriner) and the fact he ignored a specific grouping of gap-running plays in the second half that had worked in the first half on OSU's only TD drive.

"I'm disappointed in the play-calling. I'm disappointed in the situations that we were put in, and I wish it all played out differently," Elliott said. "It is very disappointing. In the one drive that we had where we kind of had some momentum after we scored on the strip-sack, the plays we ran, we ran a lot of gap schemes and we were gashing them. You guys saw that on that drive. We had a lot of momentum. 

"Honestly, we didn't see those plays for the rest of the game. Those plays weren't called anymore. I asked for those plays to be called, and they weren't. It just hurts. It hurts a lot because of how we lost. I feel like we just weren't put in the right opportunity to win this game. We weren't put in the right situations to win this game."

So, again, very clearly, people were mad at Warriner's ability to call the game. Everyone at OSU worked hard. No one was bitching about Urban. People ('Zeke and Cardale) were bitching about Warriner. You can be embarassed for 20-year-olds bitching because someone making millions of dollars in charge of their actions ignored them and then screwed it up, but 'Zeke was right. Warriner deserved to be called out. He flopped. Hard. And cost 'Zeke and his teammates a loss because of it. 

Anyway, in 2016 all Warriner had was Samuel, a freshman RB and a bunch of sophomore WRs and the offense was still bad. So I don't think it was a star issue. It was a Warriner issue. 

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Scarlatina

January 20th, 2018 at 4:52 PM ^

Both were problems for slightly different issues. When OC Tom Herman left, co-OC/OL Ed Warinner got promoted to the lead OC with playcalling duties. Tim Beck was brought on to be the new co-OC/QB coach.

Apparently the 2015-2016 team was a mess in offensive identity because both Tim Beck and Ed Warinner could not agree on an offensive identity, and it made the in-game playcalling a huge clusterfuck. So much so, that Urban just took over playcalling that season for the last 2-3 games after the MSU loss. For the 2016-2017 season, Urban tried to streamline the playcalling by having both of them sit up in booth together, and hopefully come to a consensus more efficiently.

OC Ed Warinner was a fantastic OL coach, but a slightly below recruiter that could get a lot of 3-4* OLs, but missed on on several blue-chip OL prospects.

co-OC Tim Beck was a fantastic recruiter who built a ton of relationships in Texas, but a horrendous QB coach that derailed the trajectory of both Cardale Jones's and JT Barrett's development (also, Taylor Martinez @ Nebraska). Herman had Barrett playing like a Heisman finalist as a RsFr., and took Cardale Jones on one of the most amazing 4-game run ever for a 3rd-string QB... Beck did the exact opposite.

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Hard-Baughlls

January 20th, 2018 at 3:07 PM ^

have become absurd.  You are not BAMA nor will you be.  While you have a healthy budget to pay the players and run a successful football factory consistently pulling in top 3 classes, I don't think Meyer (since burning out at florida, enabling criminals and a murderer, and banging coeds) is quite as aggressive or sociopathic as Saban in terms of winning at all costs.  It's close, but there's a reason Saban is a notch above all others.

OSU and its offense is just stellar agains average or worse defenses and consistently gets exposed by defenses with NFL talent - including Michigan the past two years.

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buckeyejonross

January 20th, 2018 at 3:28 PM ^

Not really sure what the message is here? Are OSU's standards for its offense too high? Or do they have a bad offense that gets exposed against good teams? Because it can't be both. If OSU's offense is actually good and its fans shouldn't complain, why does it get exposed? Or does it not actually get exposed, and our standards are too high and we shouldn't be complaining? Unfortunately, like with literally every other comment you've ever made on this blog, your post doesn't make any sense :(

Keep shootin', one will go in eventually!

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YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

January 20th, 2018 at 8:47 PM ^

isnt even pleased/satisfied/encouraged by the university ranking as an academic institution more than the OSU faithful despite equal or greater separation than football. We are not a positive lot even when things go well. We are downright miserable when things are less than well.UM fans would lament the losses to Clemson and other near misses 10x more than Buckeye fans - and I really believe the lack of positivity is one of the underlying issues for UM’s fall from elite status,

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GoBlueSouth

January 20th, 2018 at 2:46 PM ^

Analyst position. Pep is not going anywhere and neither is Drevno. Michigan needs a QB and not new coaches. Consistency in coaching and a Good QB is the key

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Blue in Yarmouth

January 21st, 2018 at 7:17 AM ^

This offensive staff has had more than enough time to make our qbs into something if they knew what the hell they were doing. The problem is and has been since day one the oline. If our qbs weren’t always in fear for their lives they may actually show some people they can play.
The absolute worst indictment on the oline coaching is that the best this teams oline performed is the first year of the Harbaugh tenure. In other words, the guys who were taught under the previous staff and were terrible, just not as terrible as what we have now.
What Michigan has been missing longer than anything else is a good OL and to have one we need someone who knows what their doing coaching them.

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Hard-Baughlls

January 20th, 2018 at 2:53 PM ^

is essentially a Harbaugh lackey / hanger-on.  I'm not one to generally shit on coaches after 1 or even 2 years of underperformance at a position or coordinator role.

I remember when Ron English went from the worst D-coordinator to the best D-coordinator ever (according to media / fanbase) so I know there is a lot of variance based on things like coaching staff continuity, player roster, roster age, player development, etc, etc.

That said, Drevno has had 3 years with the O-line and that was supposed to be his specialty, and we still can't keep a QB healthy (from getting hammered on basic blitz packages) for more than 4 games at a time.

Drevno did not show much as play caller this year - so what gives.  Harbaugh hiring a guy to fix the O-line (ala Frey last year), but Drevno keeps his job as co-OC when he has essentially failed to produce where he is a supposed expert?

I love Harbaugh and trust him in almost all decisions, but seems like Drevno is getting special treatment, and not the type of meritocracy that Harbaugh always preaches.

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