Really disturbing article on Nassar. Apparently the FBI screwed up too
January 15th, 2018 at 9:42 AM ^
...and just to reinforce how tone deaf Sparty is, they were going to have a build your own d!ldo event on campus:
https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/40901/
https://bwi.forums.rivals.com/threads/make-your-own-sex-toys-at-msu-cancelled.198159/
January 15th, 2018 at 9:46 AM ^
I feel as though those links may be NSFW.
January 15th, 2018 at 10:19 AM ^
You mean as opposed to the daily stuff like this?
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/ot-gene-steratore-back-it-again#comment-4876903
January 15th, 2018 at 10:38 AM ^
I'm a bouncer at Deja Vu in Ypsilanti. I am pretty sure I'm OK?
January 15th, 2018 at 12:24 PM ^
January 15th, 2018 at 4:58 PM ^
January 15th, 2018 at 5:30 PM ^
Could Michigan State have stopped nearly two decades of sexual abuse by Dr. Larry Nassar? We reveal the results of a 14-month investigation Tuesday, 12:30p ET on ESPN. pic.twitter.com/lMqG7wRzId
— Outside The Lines (@OTLonESPN) January 13, 2018
January 15th, 2018 at 5:38 PM ^
The silence that plagued Michigan State...
— Bob Ley (@BobLeyESPN) January 15, 2018
Tune in tomorrow at 12:30 PM ET on @ESPN as OTL uncovers the silence about former Michigan State doctor Larry Nassar and the everlasting damage that followed.https://t.co/lBnUUI6BtA
January 15th, 2018 at 6:06 PM ^
January 15th, 2018 at 9:47 AM ^
January 15th, 2018 at 9:53 AM ^
I don't know what's wrong with any of those three things, separately or together.
January 15th, 2018 at 10:01 AM ^
I wouldn't know but I'm guessing latex and chocolate chips aren't complimentary tastes on one's palate.
January 15th, 2018 at 10:07 AM ^
I believe that Putin was employing sarcasm as a respose to CryingMagnus somehow equating sex toys with pedophilia and rape.
January 15th, 2018 at 10:18 AM ^
January 15th, 2018 at 11:28 AM ^
...but I certainly didn't see a post that was "equating sex toys with pedophilia and rape". I believe he said that Sparty was still tone deaf on the issue. Meaning those kinds of activities on campus, might not be all that appropriate, considering the scandal hanging over the university.
January 15th, 2018 at 11:38 AM ^
He, and you, are connecting two things that aren't related--a make your own sex toy event and pedophilia and rape by Nassar. Should students at MSU forego masturbation because of the scandal? Should any mention of sex anywhere on campus be banned? I just don't get the outrage here.
January 15th, 2018 at 11:51 AM ^
January 15th, 2018 at 11:54 AM ^
...to get into some giant back and forth on this one. I'm just saying that the "you have to be trolling" is over the top.
Sometimes, you guys go just a little overboard, when someone dares having a different point of view. To me, a "build-your-own dildo" event, put on by the university, is not a good look. Am I saying that the two are connected? No. Am I saying that sex can't be mentioned on campus? Of course, not.
I am saying, that I can see the point, that it might be in the best interest of a university that has been under a mushroom cloud of sexual scandal, maybe err on the side of caution and not put on Build-a-Dildo workshops.
January 15th, 2018 at 12:06 PM ^
The thing too is that it isn't like this was an official university event. Individual profs or departments are allowed to schedule events on campus without any form of administrative approval. We operate, happily, in a pretty free environment. At my school, I could potentially host the same event--at most I'd need the approval of my dean. I won't, since human sexuality is something I wholeheartedly practice but not what I teach, as I have no scholarly research in those...uh...areas. All that is to say that to blame the entirety of the MSU administration for an one-time on-campus event--as opposed to rape by an employee fostered by a cover-up--is off base too.
January 15th, 2018 at 12:14 PM ^
The event was canceled, so on that note, someone must have seen the ad or heard about it and made a call. So, that does go against the idea that the university is tone deaf on the issue.
Having said that, I do agree with you, I don't see anything wrong with the event, even if it wasn't canceled. I read the article and the event was being but on by the UAB, which is run by students. Not a big deal.
January 15th, 2018 at 12:01 PM ^
"Should students at MSU forego masturbation because of the scandal?"
And you talk about the connection that I'm making. I've been masturbating for a long time, decades actually...never had to take a class to learn how to do...and I'm pretty good at it, if I do say so myself.
Making the statement that the university is tone deaf or that it isn't a good look, isn't outrage, it's a point of view. You don't have to agree with it. In fact, you bring up some thought provoking points. The only problem is that you package those thoughts in a neg-bomb fist and ask how anyone could ever have a differing view on the subject.
January 15th, 2018 at 12:07 PM ^
January 15th, 2018 at 12:26 PM ^
I feel like I need to clarify my view, before we go further. 1) there is no connection between dildo building and rape, 2) I wasn't outraged by the event.
Having said that, I didn't/don't understand why CryingMagnus was getting slammed for the idea that it isn't a good look for the university. Having that point of view, doesn't mean that you believe there is a correlation between rape and dildo making, it just means that you think it's not good PR.
I just don't understand how you guys don't see that. Perception is something that the university does have to be concerned with and in their current situation, there are things that they may decide not to do, because it my give the wrong perception to the public.
January 15th, 2018 at 12:35 PM ^
January 15th, 2018 at 12:53 PM ^
...that you have 40,000 parents considering where to send their child, over the next 4 years. Are you going to go around and make sure that they understand that there is no connection?
I'm not saying that I agree with it, but the reality is that MSU is in no position to push the envelope. Between the Nassar thing and basketball/football player rape, and giving raises to the President during all of it, they may have to be overly cautious for a bit. That's more of a "it is what it is", than a reasonable or unreasonable point of view.
Regarding PC, yes, I owe you a little fresh squeezed lemonade, I'm not a fan.
January 15th, 2018 at 1:20 PM ^
January 15th, 2018 at 12:16 PM ^
My apologies for the tone. Other people here do deep and profound bits of football analysis: snarky remarks are my shtick.
Anyway--this sounds like an older dude (and I'm 51) saying "In my day, we just jerked-off and didn't talk about it. And we liked it that way!!!" But not talking about it perpetuates a sense of shame in the act. We don't talk about it because it's dirty and wrong--if it weren't, we'd talk about it. Banning sex ed doesn't stop kids from having sex. It does raise the chances that they're not taking procautions against undesired outcomes. And they're more likely to fall victim to monsters like Nassar.
January 15th, 2018 at 12:43 PM ^
...and stationed in the Philippines, I was the Corporol of Guard for the Security Forces detail. Every few weeks, we'd get some new guys in (noobs, we'd call them) and I'd interview them, just to get a feel for them. One of my first questions was always, "Do you jerk-off?". It was a great ice breaker question and it was always interesting to see how they'd anwser, once they got past the initial shock. True story...to illustrate that I am not THAT old guy.
I think that what we are doing is having the debate as to whether MSU should EVER have a Build-a-Dildo workshop, but what CryingMagnus is really talking about is whether there are times that it would be better to be cautious and maybe reschedule.
I am in complete agreement with regards to the last half of your paragraph.
January 15th, 2018 at 1:40 PM ^
This was a great discussion--civil discourse, no childish name-calling. Kudos!
January 15th, 2018 at 10:01 AM ^
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January 15th, 2018 at 10:17 AM ^
REGARDLESS OF INTENT, you don't think the optics of an event advertised as build your own dildo is a bad look 1. in general and 2. probably not a good idea given the lack of integrity and accountability regarding sexual harassment and sexual assault that permeates parts of MSU's campus?
Despite who it was hosted by, this is NOT a scholarly event. Wake up!
I guess you think the consensual sex tent on PSU's campus was aces too!
Stay classy dude!
January 15th, 2018 at 10:23 AM ^
Because this is one of the strangest, ill-conceived hot takes I've ever seen on this site and that's really saying something
January 15th, 2018 at 10:43 AM ^
Yeah, it is. Funny, why someone would target Magnus and WD for trolling. They both bring valuable input and insight to the blog.
January 15th, 2018 at 11:51 AM ^
but you really don't understand how it'd be funny to troll them? As long as it doesn't cross any lines I think it's hilarious.
January 15th, 2018 at 12:12 PM ^
This guy isn't trying to be funny. He's trying to do some big "Expose WD" mission to save the blog and let them realize he is sometimes a dick. Newsflash, CryingMagnus, we all know WD can be a jerk. You can stop this activity now.
January 15th, 2018 at 10:24 AM ^
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January 15th, 2018 at 11:00 AM ^
The religious based “moral indignation,” IMHO, is part of what keeps productive dialogue down and actually increases risk, the culture which keeps people from coming out against those who act out, opportunists and predators alike.
For a provocative read, check out:
https://www.amazon.com/Perv-Sexual-Deviant-All-Us/dp/0374230897
The dialogue needs to shift into less judgment based (I.e. knock off the notion that the only acceptable sex is heterosexual w/I construct of marriage) and acceptance that consensual, non-harming sexual expression is ok, even if it doesn’t fit your personal taste. (Andrea Dworkin’s provocative scholarship notwithstanding).
Within that construct there certainly are vulnerable persons that need to be protected (I.e. children, imbalanced power dynamics), and predators (Nasser) that must be warehoused for community protection.
Before you neg the hell out of me, this is my field of practice. I’m an experienced criminal defense attorney, hella-protective father of three daughters. I dialogue w/psychologists, Prosecutors and judges, state and federal, about what works and what doesn’t. You might be surprised.
January 15th, 2018 at 12:13 PM ^
January 15th, 2018 at 11:26 AM ^
January 15th, 2018 at 10:35 AM ^
January 15th, 2018 at 12:43 PM ^
of it, and wanted to say that it's sometimes kind of unfortunate the way a pretty serious post gets waylaid like this, piles of comment miles from the topic matter.
January 15th, 2018 at 11:43 AM ^
Wait, sex and masturbation can't be the subject of scholarship? Or it is because the act of self-pleasure is...dirty to you, somehow? If not, why stop there--let's restrict access to birth control because Nassar. Ban D.H. Lawrence from the school library!
January 15th, 2018 at 2:09 PM ^
I'm not sure where you'd find a school that limits activities to the academic, or why you would want to. My memory of life on various college campuses includes no end of non-scholarly events--a whole gamut running from intramural softball practice to Nancy Reagan Smoke Dope on the Quad Day to an AIDS fundraiser featuring phallus-shaped sugar cookies.
January 15th, 2018 at 11:31 AM ^
Anything that reduces the likelihood of one spartan knocking up another is a good thing.
January 15th, 2018 at 10:05 AM ^
One could argue that an event focusing on the sexual needs and sexual health of women is an entirely appropriate event to in contrast to things like sexual assault and male predatory behavior.
January 15th, 2018 at 10:05 AM ^
January 15th, 2018 at 11:45 AM ^
As long as it's not food I'm planning on eating later, knock yourself out.