Alarming Officiating Trends

Submitted by MGoStrength on

I was just watching the Michigan Podcast and came across some alarming statistics.  We all know we have felt like we are getting a raw deal this year with penalties.  Here is some data from the podcast.  UM is dead last in the Big Ten in the number of penalties called against them this year.  That means they get more penalties called against them than any other team in the B1G.  Their opponents are ranked 13 out of 14 teams in penalties against them.  That means that UM is getting the most penalties called against them while their opponents are getting the second fewest number of penalties called against them.  In 2016 UM was second to last in penalties called against them and their opponents had the fewest of any team in the B1G in penalties called against them.  Also, Rashan Gary, who is widely recognized as one of the best pass rushers in the country, has only had one holding call go against his offensive line counterparts. This is really alarming.

 

I know this blog as been vocal in the past and made a difference in getting people to pay attention to problems with Michigan sports ala Dave Brandon and Brady Hoke’s handling of Shane Morris’ concussion.  Is there anything we can do as a community to bring some of this information to light?  Here’s a link to the episode of the Michigan Podcast discussing it.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Hklwgd_EQ

 

Inman

November 9th, 2017 at 8:59 PM ^

Is nothing we can do to bring this to light because nobody is gonna care. We can be more supportive of the team to try and make up for the shit calls and no calls. Be there for our guys, Be louder in the stadium and not sit on our asses so we gain an advantage with noise to help our d. This is the only actual impact we can have and sadly this isn't gonna happen. Too many people hate standing and being loud. Refs gonna ref.. fans gotta fan.... we don't... very good at least in comparison to many teams.

The People's Jones

November 9th, 2017 at 9:01 PM ^

it’d be more informative/interesting if someone thoroughly went through the game film and looked at penalties committed vs called for both teams. one would probably need coaches tape for that, and a lot of free time. without any quantitative analysis there’s nothing to really be said.

yoyo

November 9th, 2017 at 9:17 PM ^

Yea the head of officiating actually went over a YouTube clip of horrible calls in the Ohio State game, even though he did a shitty job of justifying the calls. I imagine video evidence will be pretty convincing and the incompetent people in the big ten office might finally take notice. https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/12/25/14078044/ohio-stat…

1VaBlue1

November 9th, 2017 at 9:41 PM ^

They went over the calls that were actually made during the game, not the non-calls.  The problem we - as Michigan fans (and presumably coaches) - have is with the non-calls.  Pretty much all of which went against Michigan (ie: would have been called on OSU).  If we could get the B1G, or any national outlet, to look at that mix tape, we might get some traction.  Unfortunately, we lost, so it's just sour grapes in the mids of the non-UM world.

BTW, the spot was just something that happens 10 times in a game - every time the chains come out.  A few inches of arbitrary ball-spotting either way causes a first down, or a change of possession.

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Trebor

November 9th, 2017 at 9:57 PM ^

On plays where the ball is placed at a specific yard line that runs the width of the field, such as touchbacks and OT possessions, there is no need to bring the chains out to measure for a first down. The nose of the ball was placed at the edge of the 25 yard line to start the OT possession, so if any part of the ball touches the 15 yard line on the placement, then it's a first down.

Logan88

November 9th, 2017 at 9:58 PM ^

I have no problem with The Spot (which makes me rare on this here board). I can't say with any conviction that Barrett didn't get the yardage needed.

What I have a problem with is Darboh getting wrestled to the ground with no call; Perry getting his arm yanked down...no call; Mike Weber getting away with the most obvious late-hit personal foul I've ever seen...no call; Jourdan Lewis getting held, then blocked in the back on Samuel's "great" run on 3 and long to set up the 4th and 1 play...no call(s), etc. etc.

I rarely complain about officiating but UM got completely fucked over in The Game in Columbus last year. I will always consider that a UM win which was stolen by corrupt officials/OSU fans.

Mgoscottie

November 10th, 2017 at 6:15 AM ^

when I saw the play live I thought he didn't make it but they were going to spot him close enough where it wouldn't get overturned.  But it was really hard to see live how he bounced off of the other player and I understood why it didn't get overturned.  

But the rest of the game.....

Swayze Howell Sheen

November 9th, 2017 at 9:02 PM ^

yes, i think this is true.

and I think coach H decided his sideline demeanor wasn't helping. so this year, he's turned it way down.

we will eventually reap the benefit of the new Zen harbs, it will just take a few years.

be patient.

 

HarbaughsLeftElbow

November 9th, 2017 at 9:03 PM ^

We are one of the youngest team in the country. Our offense constantly makes penalty-worthy mistakes. I thought we had a bad call or two against the defense for PSU but other than that I don't remember too many unfair calls against us. 

MGoStrength

November 9th, 2017 at 9:07 PM ^

I can see that as an argument for this year's penalities against on the offensive side of the ball.  But, this stat covers both sides of the ball.  Further, last year when we were a veteran team on both sides of the ball we were also next to last in penalities agasint.  Finally, our opponents both in '16 and '17 had the fewest and second fewest penalities called against them.  How does our young offense this year affect last year's team or our opponents for the last two years?

Logan88

November 9th, 2017 at 10:01 PM ^

It would be interesting to see how his other teams (Stanford and San Francisco) have fared re: penalties. Is this a recent trend which has only happened at UM or have all of his teams been highly penalized during his coaching tenure?

I'm sure there is someone obsessive enough (WD?) to do this research. Alas, I am not that person.

smwilliams

November 10th, 2017 at 12:44 PM ^

This helpful site lists the total # of flags for NFL teams:

http://www.nflpenalties.com/index.php?&year=2014

49ers finish in total # of flags against them in Harbaugh's 4 years in S.F.:

2011 - 5th

2012 - 3rd

2013 - 5th

2014 - 14th

For Stanford years:

2007 - 100th

2008 - 22nd

2009 - 80th

2010 - 103rd

So, the data is a bit mixed. His Stanford teams were among the least penalized in the country, but his 49ers teams consistently were one of the most penalized teams in the NFL. 

war-dawg69

November 9th, 2017 at 9:26 PM ^

The penalty on Kugler. There is no such penalty. Metellus being ejected for nothing except getting assaulted. No holding calls on an o-line after we were spending all day in there back field. With our pass rush alone it mrits at least three to eight holding calls a game. Wake the fuck up it cost us the osu game and a trip to the playoffs. I guess your all good with that. osu had one fuckin penalty and you got the refs high fivin and smaking players on the ass. Its blatant and I feel they need some correction. The crew who just reffed the game were the ones from the osu game last year. Just terrible.

jgoblue11

November 9th, 2017 at 9:08 PM ^

Rashan gets held on every single game. I'm not exaggerating when I say, I never see it get called. But I'm not going to play that everyone is out to get Michigan shit. It is what it is. just win baby!

You Only Live Twice

November 9th, 2017 at 10:29 PM ^

teams are coached to hold Gary.  

If acting is called for, Gary can step up his acting game to make it obvious to the refs what they are not seeing or refuse to see.

Why the heck not.

Rambling Wolverine

November 9th, 2017 at 9:08 PM ^

There are at least two types of penalties.  Offsides, illegal formation, illegal procedure, facemask, etc. are standard calls.  Pass interference, holding (offense and defense), block in the back, etc. are subjective and can majorly change the outcome of a game.

The numbers should be redone to eliminate the standard calls and then using just subjective calls see where we land..  If we are still last or next to last in the the BIG then we may have a beef.

 

H8anythingState2

November 9th, 2017 at 9:27 PM ^

Jim blatantly called out the officiating after the OSU game...

Nobody can...

Delany has it out for us. He needs to be the focus.

Double-D

November 9th, 2017 at 9:42 PM ^

Make the playoffs concerns me a bit vs Wisconsin. I am more in the camp that some refs just have a bias. Something needs to be done to upgrade the quality of the guys calling the games. You could start by paying them more with incentives for callling a quality game.

Double-D

November 10th, 2017 at 9:53 AM ^

He stated to my good friend’s Dad, who was his MSU roommate in college “I will always call it just like I see it but if I don’t see it perfectly then it’s going State’s way” How the fuck does anyone get to officiate their alma mater? Could we have at least a minimum standard? http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1990-01-02/sports/9001010840_1_michi…

jbrandimore

November 9th, 2017 at 9:52 PM ^

I’m a vacuum. Our defense is very aggressive and plays tons of man to man coverage. I would expect that style of defense to draw more penalties than a cover 2 which sits back and ball hawks. Young players on offsense will end up with more personal penalties as well. I’m not prepared to outfit you for a tin foil hat yet, but I would request more apples to apples comparisons before buying in.

snarling wolverine

November 9th, 2017 at 9:59 PM ^

Also, Rashan Gary, who is widely recognized as one of the best pass rushers in the country,

Is he? Rashan's talent is obvious but it seems to me like he still hasn't quite put it all together yet and reached his potential.

I do think he gets held a lot though.

Ty Butterfield

November 9th, 2017 at 10:11 PM ^

Yeah, I finally watched the Iowa vs OSU game and the Buckeyes were actually getting called for penalties. I guarantee this won’t happen vs Michigan.

bcnihao

November 10th, 2017 at 1:47 PM ^

Is the podcast analyzing only the penalties in conference games?  The link you provided compiles results from all games of the entire season.

(Best scoring defense, best pass defense, best rush defense, AND best scoring offense last season--that was rather good.  Even if affected by outliers like the Rutgers game.)