[TWIS] "Big Ten’s ref conspiracy..." + [Michigan Monday]

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Obviously, neither articles are very favorable towards Michigan this week, but usually people enjoying commenting on these weekly pieces, so the sake of continuity...

This Week in Schadenfreude: The Big Ten's ref conspiracy against 1 of its 2 biggest program continues.

The last time Michigan’s defensive line drew a holding penalty was two weeks ago against Michigan State. But I want to encourage this kind of thinking, so I’ll note Brady Hoke’s Michigan teams all finished in the Big Ten’s top three at avoiding penalties, while 2017’s is second-worst.

Michigan Monday

  • Positives:

The Wolverines managed just 103 yards rushing. They actually gained 152 yards, but lost 49 yards to seven sacks. Karan Higdon rushed for 45 yards, Ty Isaac managed 36 yards, and Chris Evans chipped in 17 yards. That’s 98 yards rushing on 25 carries by Michigan’s running backs. None of those 25 carries went for a loss

bklein09

October 24th, 2017 at 2:22 PM ^

This comment just demonstrates how little your average fan knows about football.

I don’t pretend to be an expert, but I do know there is more to PA than faking out the defense. It often has to do with timing as well. It’s not like playing pickup in the yard with your friends. You don’t call in a play and then throw in an extra signal that says ditch the PA because it’s 3rd and long. It just doesn’t work like that.

People latch onto things like this that are completely irrelevant.

Maynard

October 24th, 2017 at 4:50 PM ^

I didn't call them morons but apparently you just like to make shit up. I said the call was stupid. And it was.

play-action pass (also known as a play fake or simply "play-action") is a football play. The play action starts with what appears to be a running play, but turns out to be a pass play; in this way, it can be considered the opposite of a draw play. Play-action passes are often used against defenses that are focused on stopping the run. By initially simulating a running play, the offense attempts to deceive the defense into acting on the fake run and being out of position in their pass coverage, giving receivers more time and room to be free to receive passes behind the linebackers.

 

bklein09

October 24th, 2017 at 5:08 PM ^

Did you copy and paste that from Wikipedia?

You’re completely missing the point. Just because the play includes a run fake does not make it a stupid call on 4th and 11. It’s not that simple.

Again, you’d rather believe that Harbaugh and Co were stupid (in that moment) then to understand that there is more to PA than just the fake.

When you watch football from now on, I want you to pay special attention to passing downs when PA makes no sense (according to you). And I guarantee you’ll still see it quite a bit, from lots of teams and lots of coaches. Some of them great coaches. They’re not all just making stupid decisions as you seem to believe.

Maynard

October 24th, 2017 at 5:27 PM ^

Yes. I absolutely copy and pasted this. It's not a complicated thing. The play action pass is pretty consistently the same definitionally no matter where you pull it from.

And no I didn't say Harbaugh and Co. are stupid. I said that call was stupid. Harbaugh probably didn't make the call. And I am not some outlier for saying it was dumb.

Not arguing with you about this anymore. You are wrong and most everyone here knows it. 

bklein09

October 24th, 2017 at 6:23 PM ^

You don’t want to argue anymore because you know your stance doesn’t make sense. You’re using a 13 year olds understanding of Madden and applying it to real life college football.

What’s wrong with running PA and having your RB and FB immediately transition to pass pro, while 2 or 3 other options get open downfield? It’s 4th and 11, not 4th and 25. Hell, a RB leaking out of the backfield late can pick up 11 as the defense drops out. There is nothing inherently wrong with that play, which is all I’m really trying to say.

Again, you’re latching onto the PA and can’t see past it. It may have been a bad call but that’s NOT necessarily because of the PA.

Maynard

October 24th, 2017 at 7:12 PM ^

No. I don't want to argue because guys like you seem to be the Harbaugh Police, only interested in MGO Circle Jerk instead of welcoming diverse opinion. You think any criticism is an attack on everything you hold sacred. It's pointless sometimes.

Aww, Hell with it. One more time. Why not

And I get what you're trying to say abuot the leaking out of a RB. But here's the thing. You are in a game where you have gotten sacked SEVEN times and you're going to take a 4th and 11 play where your QB takes the snap from under center, turns around to fake to a back, has to turn back around and get a visual on the receivers and then make a decision. This is all happening with a guy who has shown little to no ability to go through progressions with any success. You're going to do that instead of working out of the shotgun where there is little dropback and more time to read and survey the routes, a situation where you can still have RBs pass protect if need be, still leak out, etc. This all happens on a down when the entire world knows you have to pass in a game where the pressure up front has been an issue to begin with.

IT WAS A STUPID CALL AND WE ALL KNOW IT. 

andrewgr

October 24th, 2017 at 7:11 PM ^

There's lots of valid criticisms about the Ohio State football factory, and I'm certain there are recruiting violations to be found, along with players who don't put in much effort to the "student" side of being a scholar-athlete.

That being said, the QB who made that comment was Cardale Jones, and at the time that he made it, he was a pretty good student-- above 3.0 GPA.  He continued to be a good student up until he graduated.  He was young and immatue and frustrated and said something stupid on twitter, but his actions thankfully did not match his words.

I have no way of being certain, but I find it highly unlikely that any Big10 school, including Ohio State, actually employ bagmen, or anything close to it.  There may be discounts and loaners and hundred dollar handshakes, and the amount of that probably varies from school to school.  If you claimed you had evidence that Ohio State was among the worst offenders in the conference, I guess I wouldn't be shocked.  But there is a long, long way from those sorts of recruiting violations and what goes on in SEC country, where instead of an alumnus stepping out of line and spreading some cash around, you have assistant coaches arranging for donors to give thens of thousans of dollars to a recruit's family, literally paying him to come play at the school.

I'd also be at least a little careful about throwing stones in glass houses.  Although it was 'legal', hiring Rashan Gary's high school coach during his recruitment seems ethically as shady as any confirmed recruiting violation I can remember in the Big 10.  Michigan fans hailed it as a brilliant maneuver, but if Meyer had done it, those very same people would have been morally indignant and completely outraged.

WorldwideTJRob

October 24th, 2017 at 4:32 PM ^

Michigan brings eyeballs to the set, if anything they would’ve done everything in their power to put us and OSU in the playoff. They would’ve been heavy in our favor during the Iowa game to set this up. We are being undisclipine now, thus the result in our penalties going up. OSU last year had some questionable calls, but we still did things as well that resulted in us losing that game.

Fieldy'sNuts

October 24th, 2017 at 2:29 PM ^

There's definitely an officiating bias against Harbaugh that I didn't sense when Hoke was the coach. Not much we can do about it I suppose. Refs are going to punish the kids because they don't like Harbaugh. Even if that means Jake Rudock has to get hit in the head multiple times with no calls or Wilton has to suffer a broken back (also with no call), that's just the price we pay I guess. 

M-Dog

October 24th, 2017 at 3:07 PM ^

What Does It All Mean?

It means that Michigan didn’t end up wasting a national championship-caliber defense because of a bad offense this year after all, because this was no championship-caliber defense.

Whoo Hoo.  I feel better now.

Sharuck

October 24th, 2017 at 3:31 PM ^

I have posted this before, but for those that missed it, you should read this 2015 study regarding referee bias that analyzed game data from 2005-12.  Michigan (in conference only) was the second most favorably treated team by referees (out of all power 5 teams in the country).  Penn State was the most favorably treated. FSU was the least favorably treated. The team effects chart is about 1/3 of the way in; full chart is appendix D at the end.

 

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303326028_Referee_Analytics_Bias_in_Major_College_Football_Officiating

blueblueblue

October 24th, 2017 at 3:43 PM ^

No matter the game, the team, the sport, whenever the team I am rooting for is losing the refs are always making bad calls against them. Definitely happens for Michigan football. And it has to be true, because my friends and colleagues who root for other teams always expereince the same thing when their teams are losing. 

Double-D

October 24th, 2017 at 5:18 PM ^

There would be huge incentive to have an undefeated Wisconsin team. Even more so than OSU or PSU. A one loss OSU/PSU Big Ten champ team gets in this year if they beat an undefeated Wisconsin team. I am less concerned with an organized conspiracy vs genuine Harbaugh hate.

allintime23

October 24th, 2017 at 6:51 PM ^

The media, the coaches and institutions all hate Harbaugh. It’s almost exactly like it was with Bo. Harbaugh will win a ton of games and get screwed in any close game he has. Teams will hold his defense and interfere with his offense and not be called. His team will be overly called for the same things. I just wish he would go back to how he was last year and relax on the sidelines. They’ve really changed him, he’s gun shy to even be himself.

The Fan in Fargo

October 24th, 2017 at 8:39 PM ^

I remember being one if not the first to bring up the biased refs on this blog and all of the clowns that sent backlash at me was so enlightening. It’s a great to see these idiots whose closed minds hadn’t grasped the idea that Michigan has lost so many games because of refs. It’s so fucking obvious. Just go back and watch how many close games or big games where Michigan makes a huge momentum swinging play only to have it be a penalty seconds after the play has broke free or the other team hasn’t succeeded. That’s all you fucking morons need to know and watch for now and you’ll be able to grasp it.

turtleboy

October 24th, 2017 at 8:01 PM ^

That felt more like a commercial for Mgoblog than anything. He didn't even make jokes. Felt like he just showed everybody how good we are at analyzing and making fun of ourselves.

uncleFred

October 24th, 2017 at 11:48 PM ^

From then to the present, it was only when Bo started winning that Michigan football began to suffer referee bias. Yeah I know purely anecdotal. Blaa blaa blaa. 

So I want to ask the greater mgoblog community a honest question. Where do the B1G officials come from? I have no idea, but I suspect that the officials come from men who were involved in big ten sports when they were in college. Over 55 years, seven of which I was at UofM during the ten year war, I've lived with the negative emotions of other big ten schools towards Michigan. In some cases hatred would not be to strong to describe those emotions.  

So everything aside I want to ask all of you a question. Despite Michigan's recent stumbles, it remains the winningest program in the history of college football, and from 1969 to 2007 was the most dominate football program in the big ten. Four decades. If big ten officials were involved in big ten sports in college how can they not carry a bias? I sat in Michigan stadium and watched Archie Griffin snatch victory from our guys grasp. Hell. That was 40 odd years ago and I still taste the bitterness of that game. Not just taste it, but when I think of it in my mind's eye I can see and feel that loss. So, how can we expect anyone who was in college sports or in the big ten in the last forty years to view Michigan as just another team?  

I have little doubt that if we looked at the other major conferences we could find similar historical pressures on officials. Maybe I'm right, but right or wrong there is nothing that can be done about it. When I was a student at Michigan we put it this way. For Michigan to field a championship team, they must beat the other team, the crowd, and the refs.

So I say bring it on. While we won't achieve dominance this season, I can clearly see it on the horizon.  Go Blue 

You Only Live Twice

October 24th, 2017 at 11:50 PM ^

I want to dislike him for the snark but he writes like someone who respects Michigan.  

He maintains the same tone week in week out which makes me think he's genuine.

Of course, after a loss, his fan base finally starts to chime in.  

It takes strength to be loyal, jumping on a bandwagon is easy and weak