Kinda Interesting Jedd Fisch Discussion
I realize there is no real reason for you to believe this, but I’m going to post it anyway because it’s true and somewhat interesting.
I was speaking with a good family friend of Jedd Fisch tonight. According to him, Fisch was in line to be the next OC at Michigan and had already been in negotiations with Harbaugh at the end of last year. He said they were both expecting Drevno to move back to California (I don’t know why). When that didn’t happen, Harbaugh obviously couldn’t fire Drevno so Fisch left for UCLA. Fisch desperately wants to be a head coach, and apparently he hates Jim Mora. He’s privately hoping Mora is fired and the offense is good enough for him to be named the HC.
Take it for what it’s worth.
October 9th, 2017 at 11:44 AM ^
Jake Butt was awsome and we miss him now.
As for the all-big ten guys, just two first teamers.
Plenty of talented guys. Lots of guys with many starts and experience. But no real game changers. Not an offense chock full or dangermen.
JH got pretty good production out of a good but not spectacular crew last year.
Michigan had the no 1 scoring offense in the Big Ten last year. And they did that without an elite QB, a good but not great o-line, not elite receivers or RBs. Butt was elite.
Main point: The JH style offense can work well without a heisman finalist QB and/or a top 10 o-line, etc.
October 9th, 2017 at 9:08 AM ^
The offense was not "very good" last year. They murdered bad teams and struggled against the solid teams they played. Of course, everyone does worse against good defenses but even considering that the production was lacking. We were 40th in S&P+ on offense.
On the other hand, 40th is better than 69th like this year obviously.
October 9th, 2017 at 11:47 AM ^
averaged more than 40 points per game, first in the Big Ten.
It was not an elite offense (see Clemson, etc.), but it was very good.
Sure it stalled at Iowa and in the 4th quarter at OSU.
But if you think a 'very good but not elite' offense never has a sub-par game, then....I don't know what else to tell you.
October 9th, 2017 at 1:04 PM ^
We scored 78 on Rutgers, 59 on Maryland, 63 on Hawaii, 51 on Central Florida, 41 on Illinois etc. We did put up 49 on PSU so there was that, when they had like no LBers healthy. That's your B1G scoring "leaders" right there.
We also scored 14 on Wisconsin, 17 in regulation against OSU, and 13 on Iowa.
Indiana was weather. Think we had basically 21 on FSU and 31 on CO? Excluding ST and D touchdowns. Plus the FGs after TO where we did nothing to move the ball. Overall, not a bad offense like this one, but definitely skewed by our performances against terrible teams. The 13-14-17 agianst the WI/OSU/IA type teams needs to be more like 21 to 24 or something to be considered very good. They had basically 1 good game out of 5 against solid defenses.
October 9th, 2017 at 1:15 PM ^
what 'very good' offenses do. They are efficient and run up big numbers against inferior teams (which M is NOT doing this year).
Elite offenses score a lot on very good Ds. Never said M offense in 2016 was elite.
For comparison, OSU was a close second to Michigan in scoring in 2016. Just like Michigan, then rang those numbers up by runnning up huge numbers against inferior teams.
Yet their offense certainly did not look elite against the better D's in the conference. OSU's 2016 O sputtered against Michigan, Penn State, and even MSU.
October 9th, 2017 at 8:59 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 12:03 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 8:06 AM ^
JH would evolve his basic offensive concepts and add new things with a different OC.
But he would not completely change to a different style. He is not going to hire some one to completely revamp the offensive philosophy.
People posting that JH's offense is a liability and/or is too hard to master without a Heisman finalist QB and/or top 10 o-line are wrong. All offenses require the right personnel, experience (practice and game reps), and the right game plans/play selection to work well.
Plenty of teams with "simpler" offenses are not very good either, due to the above factors.
Right now M has problems on all three factors--lack of experince/reps, terrible game plans/play selection by JH/Drevno/Pep, and too much youth and/or personnel issues at certain postions.
The youth, lack of reps, etc. is inherent in having a very young team.
But the terrible game plans/play selection has no excuse. JH needs to fix that starting today.
October 9th, 2017 at 12:16 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 12:45 AM ^
a few plays against MSU and he's 3-0. You sound as if Sparty has taken us to the woodshed.
October 9th, 2017 at 7:29 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 10:23 AM ^
Five out of six probably got you at least $50k.
October 9th, 2017 at 7:41 AM ^
You are what your record says you are. There are only two columns, Wins and Loses. There used to be three but the third was for tie games, not "what if" games. You also failed to point out that the two humiliating losses to Sparty were home games, so in a sense you are correct, Dantonio and the Sparties didn't take Harbaugh and his Wolverines to the woodshed, he whipped them right there in their own living room.
October 9th, 2017 at 9:50 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 9:48 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 7:57 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 10:18 AM ^
Because the players on offense aren't all that young. Your QB, LT, C, and FB all are seniors or RS-juniors. There are younger players sprinkled among the line, but that is the reality of modern college football: freshmen and sophomores play early. Michigan is no younger on offense than many teams, and with their supposed talent advantage and coaching pedigree that should no longer be an excuse.
Now on defense, they're true kids, but their success only makes the lack of competency on offense more glaring.
October 8th, 2017 at 11:59 PM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 12:23 AM ^
And all this is better how?
October 8th, 2017 at 11:36 PM ^
October 8th, 2017 at 11:44 PM ^
Drevno deserves a lot of blame, but they aren't paying Pep Hamilton $1 million dollars to coach WR's. What we're seeing is basically his offense.
Harbaugh should look at what Kansas City is doing in the NFL and hire someone who runs a similar scheme.
October 9th, 2017 at 12:20 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 12:24 AM ^
Just for reference, who are some college programs that run that offense?
October 9th, 2017 at 12:30 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 9:41 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 10:03 AM ^
Green Bay runs a pro-style offense with tons of air raid concepts. The spread to pass offense is as popular in the NFL as anything else right now.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:59 AM ^
I mean the Air Raid is basically a pass heavy West Coast Offense. Keep in mind that when Hal Mumme and Mike Leach invented the Air Raid back in the day it was mainly run under center out of a split back formation (aka the pro set) with a tight end.
October 9th, 2017 at 8:14 AM ^
But by no means is it a simpler offense.
Ton of formations, lots of pre-snap movement, etc.
October 9th, 2017 at 9:22 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 12:31 AM ^
"Hopefully Drevno moves back to California after this season."
Shit, I hope his worthless ass is packing his bags now! Where's the pink slip at, Harbaugh? Here's to a morning Monday presser!
October 9th, 2017 at 1:11 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 11:10 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 1:23 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 4:24 AM ^
This train wreck of an offense needs fixing now.
JH will get it fixed. He's a perfectionist.
But will he do it mid-season?
We need HOPE!!
October 9th, 2017 at 5:51 AM ^
will happen. Unless you're talking about just shifting roles among current staff. I doubt anyone currently employed would leave their team mid-season, nor would we probably want someone who would do that. Plus, bringing in an outsider would bring about a change in terminology, the last thing our confused young offense needs at this point of the season. A change in OC is best made off-season, but well before Spring Practice.
October 9th, 2017 at 11:09 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 6:06 AM ^
I liked Fisch’s (sp?) playcaling but not sure he can grow big smart blocking offense linemen out of his ass. Hate to think we are still in “start over” mode with o line. This has been going on for 15 years.
October 9th, 2017 at 7:27 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 8:02 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 8:26 AM ^
Not sure we can attribute all or even a majority of his success to Wheatley.
October 9th, 2017 at 11:02 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 8:33 AM ^
people would have a positive opinion of me if I coached Fournette
October 9th, 2017 at 9:29 AM ^
But, since you're not his coach, do people think you suck?
October 9th, 2017 at 8:43 AM ^
Nov 27 San Jose State fires head coach.
Nov 27 UCLA fires OC Kennedy Palomalu
Dec 7 San Jose State hires Brent Brennan as HC
Jan 2 UCLA hires Jedd Fisch as OC
If Drevno was "on his way" to SJSt it was most likely the kind of inner office talk like "they'd be crazy not to hire him". If Drevno was the top candidate, most likely he asked for too much money. Brennan is making a little over $500,000
I can find nothing public that says Drevno was a candidate or was interviewed at SJ St.
Most likely the lag in Jed Fisch being hired by UCLA was something in his contract with Michigan that didn't allow him to leave until after the bowl game.
October 9th, 2017 at 9:56 AM ^
The Freep referred to a USA Today report. http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2016/12/01/michigan-football-tim-drevno/94751180/
October 9th, 2017 at 11:50 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 9:06 AM ^
Politics are ruining this team
October 9th, 2017 at 9:11 AM ^
October 9th, 2017 at 10:17 AM ^
He being a zone guy versus whatever Drevno is also feels like two different voices teaching two different run games.
October 9th, 2017 at 10:28 AM ^