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"Access to the legal system requires money; also that was holding." [Fuller]

The most interesting man in the world. Jim Harbaugh is (probably) the only football coach in history to land a Politico interview and come off more educated on the topic of said interview than most elected officials:

Politico: What was the response to the tweet when you sent it out?

Harbaugh: Mostly positive, varying to some degree of people’s awareness. There's issues that people just don't understand. One of the biggest issues that got me most fired up is how fines and fees are being used to punish the poor. I've learned how the devastating effect it can have on lives of low income Americans. I mean across the country 48 states have increased civil court fees since 2010 and they're using those fees to pay for government services and not just courts but roads and generating millions and in some states billions of dollars.

But basically the crux of it is when people can't afford to pay a fine or a fee for things like a speeding ticket or municipal violation then they get additional fees. Late fees can start piling up and these fees can double, triple, quadruple the total amount due and if somebody has an inability to pay that fine that can quickly snowball into a driver's license suspension or driver time. People aren't even able to go to work. So you can't pay a fine or a fee and then you lose your driver's license. You're not able to get to a job, and a lot of people, I mean, they’ve got to work.

Also Harbaugh quotes the Federalist Papers in this interview. It is quite an object, the interview.

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Bamba (center) yukking it up with fellow BOYCOTT THIS COMPANY

A version of reality including this guy would be nice. Brendan Quinn hits up the [Boycott This Company Until There Is At Least One Ugly Person In Any Of Their Commercials Ever] All-American Game, to focus on the guy Michigan is recruiting: Mo Bamba. Nobody thinks Michigan is actually going to get this dude but MAYBE:

"There's a significant difference between greed and hunger," he said. "When you're greedy, you just want things. That's your only need. But when you're hungry for things, it's a mixture of need and want, which is more logical to me."

Bamba is a different cat, it appears, and hopefully that will take him to Michigan instead of the one-and-done factories down south. I mean, it's not going to. But maybe! But no.

If he did do the thing he isn't going to do that would be kind of good though?

With my own eyes, I saw Bamba grab a rebound near the shot clock during Tuesday's practice. I mean, I think I saw it. Watching Bamba can sometimes feel like bearing witness to Paul Bunyan swing an ax. The facial expressions of the NBA scouts sitting baseline told the story of this young man's mythology. After watching Bamba stretch, a veteran sportswriter covering the event approached me to say: "He's got joints I don't have."

Bamba sees himself as a stretch four and if there's anyone on the planet who can effectively sell his development of enormous inside-outside guys it's John Beilein. Dude has two 6'10"+ potential first round picks* collectively shooting 38% from three on his roster. Neither was as highly recruited as Bamba, to say the least.

Yes, this section has been a waste of time. Unless! But no.

*[2018 please]

Chris Collins might not be nice, but it's the system that rewards him. It wouldn't be worth mentioning except for the fact that so many people went to Medill and enjoyed telling us about pristine Northwestern being everything that's right with college athletics, usually two seconds after they slammed Jim Harbaugh. But since they exist and they did:

On February 3, 2015, the Northwestern men's basketball team somberly walked to the visiting locker room of the Pinnacle Bank Arena in Lincoln, Nebraska, after a 16-point loss to the Cornhuskers.

The team, now 1-8 in the Big Ten, sat down to meet, as it always does after games. Coach Chris Collins, then in his second season at Northwestern, turned to freshman point guard Johnnie Vassar.

According to Vassar and another person who was present, Collins yelled, "Johnnie, you fucking suck."

By any reasonable standard, Vassar had little to do with Northwestern's struggles. A seldom-used reserve, he had played one garbage-time minute against the Huskers. Yet, according to Vassar and another person who was present, Collins continued to berate the backup guard.

That's VICE's Kevin Trahan at the beginning of a lengthy article describing the lengths Collins took to get Vassar off his team, which took some doing in the era of four-year guaranteed scholarships but was nonetheless accomplished. It was accomplished by forcing Vassar into a demeaning "internship" that was mostly janitorial work and then juking timecards to boot him. One catch, via a D-I compliance officer:

"You can't push them off to another obligation," the official said. "There's nowhere in the NCAA manual that says anything about that. If they say, 'you need to do 40 community service hours,' no, you don't. It doesn't say anything about that." Another NCAA Division I school compliance official confirmed that analysis to VICE Sports.

Northwestern booted Vassar off the team after a year and then did whatever they had to in order to get his scholarship available again. Chris Collins seems like an incredible dick in the process. And not even a competent one:

One card spells Vassar's name wong; one has only another person's name on it (with that person's name crossed out); one says "Johnnie V" and has another crossed-out name; one is blank; and three have Vassar's name spelled correctly, but in handwriting that appears to be different than Vassar's.

None of this is news; what is news is that Vassar refused to suck it up and go quietly despite it being much, much easier to take the hint and move on. I admire that bullheadedness. Someone's gotta be Curt Flood.

The Vassar story once again exposes how the NCAA's terrible incentives force players and coaches into adversarial relationships annually. You should not be surprised if dicks like Chris Collins do well in a system that is set up to reward dick behavior. It forced John Beilein into similar last year when he no doubt encouraged Aubrey Dawkins and Ricky Doyle to find greener pastures.

A solution to Vassar's problem should be easy: allow him to keep his scholarship without impacting how many scholarship kids Northwestern can recruit. That costs money, and that's historically been a stumbling block because the SWAC and Colonial type schools without any outnumber those in power conferences; with autonomy there should be nothing stopping the Power 5 from allowing someone cut from a team to continue on scholarship, medical hardship or no.

Speaking of non-Bamba options and transfers. Per Some Guy, Michigan is on Washington PF Noah Dickerson's list of potential destinations as he transfers away from Washington.

Dickerson doesn't look like a great fit: he's not a stretch four in any way—he is 1/10 on threes in his career and his 68% FT rate last year does not suggest he's a butterfly waiting inside a pupa—and would likely have to play the 5 at Michigan, where he'd join Teske and Davis as 5-only contemporaries.

OTOH, he drew a buttload of fouls and was an excellent rebounder and interior scorer. The most fun thing about him is wondering how you have the #1 pick in the NBA draft and a dude with an 115 ORTG on average usage who pulls down rebounds at an 11%/23% rate and go 9-22. Lorenzo Romar, man.

Exit Melo Trimble. The Maryland guard is headed for the NBA draft and will hire an agent, figuring that another year under Mark Turgeon isn't going to get him solidly in the first round. The locals are a little cheesed off:

With 1,658 career points to his name, he would've had a chance to chase the No. 1 spot on the school's career scoring list next season, but he'll pursue a professional career rather than local immortality.

He probably figures that when you lose in the first round as a six seed in the NBA nobody gets on your case.

Etc.: Where Peppers fits in the NFL. Charges coming for MSU higher ups because of Larry Nassar? Don't click here unless you know karate.

Comments

Ali G Bomaye

March 29th, 2017 at 4:19 PM ^

I think Brian is saying that the rule should be you can only have X scholarship athletes on the team, but if a guy starts out on the team and you cut him, you should be able to keep him on scholarship without affecting the scholarship limit. At that point, Vassar could either continue his free Northwestern education or transfer to a school where he could play. It's tough to see a downside.

His Dudeness

March 29th, 2017 at 3:02 PM ^

The Chris Collins situation almost sounds like a hilarious comedy sketch.

Scene opens as losing team walks into locker room to sit down and get a talk from the coach.

Coach Collins: "Well those of you who played did your best, but those of you who didn't... WHAT THE FUCK!?!? Vassar!! FUCK YOU!! Johnnie!?!? Two N's!??! I hate you Johnnie! Get out of my sight."

skegemogpoint

March 29th, 2017 at 4:03 PM ^

can we just be honest about this one and done nonsense?  If we could recruit exactly like UK has done under Calipari, or Coach K does at Duke or even Izzo lately at MSU we would!  In fact, we are trying!  UM wanted Devin Booker.  UM wanted Jabari Parker.  UM wanted (and ultimately got) Charles Matthews.  UM wanted Langford and Winston.  UM wants Mo Bamba - just the same as UK and Duke and everybody else.  Give me a break already.  Everybody wants the best players!!  Everybody.  

If the NFL allowed players to come into the league after 1 year of college - like the NBA - would we not recruit Rashan Gary?  Would we not have recruited Aubrey Soloman or DPJ even though both of these guys could be likely one and doners?  It reeks of such sour grapes. Alabama gets virtually whomever they want in football.  We are aspiring to do the exact same thing. Kentucky and Duke get whomever they want in hoops.  We are aspiring to do the exact same thing.  The only difference is the others succeed (at present) just a tad better.  

Ali G Bomaye

March 29th, 2017 at 4:16 PM ^

I don't think this is said in an effort to be on a high horse. I think it's just said as an explanation of the way things are. We would absolutely sign any of those guys you mentioned, but since we don't, we try to gain an advantage in other ways.

One of those ways is by running a complex and highly productive offensive system. Calipari is on the record as saying he runs a very basic offense because he only gets to coach his guys for 4-5 months before they're gone. In contrast, we've seen how guys under Beilein tend to explode in their second year in his system (Burke, Stauskas, Wagner). Running a system like that means that even though we don't get the absolute top-tier recruits, we are actually more efficient on offense than the teams that do.

I think Brian's comment about the one-and-done factories with respec to Bamba was to the effect that Bamba might talented enough to go to a school like Kentucky, showcase his skills in a loosely organized offense for a year, and leave for NBA millions. But he's a unique and thoughtful enough dude that he might appreciate Beilein's system, as well, unlike some other recruits. That doesn't mean that we wouldn't take those other recruits, only that Bamba might realize our appeal better than most.

MI Expat NY

March 29th, 2017 at 5:34 PM ^

Coach K actually seemed to forego the one-and-done route or only use one max a year (Kyrie Irving, Austin Rivers) for a while, but then he quickly realized actively trying to not get the best players was a bad strategy.  Especially when good coaches (yes, this includes Calipari) can mold a group of extremely talented young players into a pretty good team come tournament time.  

wile_e8

March 29th, 2017 at 6:37 PM ^

can we just be honest about this one and done nonsense?  If we could recruit exactly like UK has done under Calipari, or Coach K does at Duke or even Izzo lately at MSU we would!

Well, we can recruit exactly like those teams. In fact, we did in the past, bringing in probably the most legendary basketball recruiting class of all time. But that led to the Ed Martin scandal, after which the athletic department decided nothing like that would ever happen here again.

There's a bit more to it than just saying we complain because we can't do that same. We can, and have, and decided never again.

AlwaysBlue

March 29th, 2017 at 7:17 PM ^

we can be accurate.  Beilein and I would guess Harbaugh, want the best players who fit their systems and values as coaches.  That doesn't mean they want every Kentucky or Alabama recruit.  I would like to think that Harbaugh would have the same problem as Beilein in a one-and-done environment where academics are an after thought and individual goals for exposure and drafts spots often come at the expense of the team.

turtleboy

March 29th, 2017 at 5:09 PM ^

As a grown man who believes in right and wrong, I genuinely wish *censored graphic fist pummeling* on Chris Collins for not just being a huge douchebag, but an awful human being, and a petty vindictive bully in a position of authority over college students.

StraightDave

March 29th, 2017 at 5:28 PM ^

I don't want my tax dollars paying for your bad decisions.   If you are prone to bad behavior then put money aside in a bank account to pay for your court fees.     

The Oracle

March 29th, 2017 at 7:04 PM ^

That's a pretty simplistic view. Although I'm not in favor of citations being issued primarily to raise revenue, not everyone who doesn't pay their fines is a victim. I also thought it was interesting, though not surprising, that Harbaugh's semi-political quote was included as part of the story. I wonder if a similar Harbaugh quote that leaned right would've been included? Actually, I don't really wonder.

EGD

March 30th, 2017 at 9:39 AM ^

"If you can't pay the fine, then don't do the crime.  I don't want my tax dollars paying for your bad decisions."

Preliminarily: the Legal Services Corporation funds civl legal aid programs, not indigent criminal defense organizations.  So your comment is already fundamentally misguided.  LSC-funded programs typically assist low-income people with problems ranging from the improper denial or termination of public benefits (such as Social Security, Veterans beneifts, SNAP (food stamps), Medicaid, TANF, etc.) to coping with domestic violence to securing and keeping suitable and affordable housing to addressing consumer fraud and exploitation.  You should understand that legal aid programs face overwhelming demand for their services and thus attorneys in those programs tend to take only very highly-meritorious cases.  And the work they do not only benefits their clients directly, but often brings about broader societal benefits.  For instance, a legal aid case that forces a corrupt business or dysfunctional government agency to change its ways benefits everyone who interacts with that business or government agency.  Keeping families from becoming homeless or helping DV victims obtain protection orders reduces the burdens on law enforcement, medical personnel, social service agencies, and ultimately tax payers.  The example Coach Harbaugh gave about driver's license suspension is notable: many states have hundreds of thousands of suspended drivers--legal aid programs have taken on this problem and driven systemic reforms that enable suspended drivers to regain their licenses, return to employment, and pay their fines.  This increases revenues to our cities and states, reduces the incidence of uninsured driving, and helps more families approach or become economically self-sufficient.  

As to indigent criminal defense, your remarks reflect a further disdain for the basic principles of due process that have underpinned western jurisprudence since the magna carta was signed 800 years ago.  It's pretty rudimentary that just because a person is accused of a crime does not mean they committed any crime, let alone the crime for which they are charged--and even if guilty may warrant any number of considerations in sentencing and so forth.  If you don't accept that then you are just obstinate. 

"If you are prone to bad behavior then put money aside in a bank account to pay for your court fees."

I'm going to assume you recognize on some level how utterly divorced from reality this kind of suggestion is and just forget about this one.

Seth

March 30th, 2017 at 12:21 PM ^

Man I scrolled a LONG way before this inevitable response came up.

One of the internal discussions was what happens when we have to touch on a political subject because Michigan sports are involved, and to go this far before anybody bit the poison apple was at the outer end of our expectations.

Thanks MGoreadership for being reasonable and polite to each other, and for respecting the spirit of the no-politics rule when Brian broke the letter of it. We all have varying degrees of pretty strong political opinions that blind us to nuance or exceptions, and encountering each others' hard points is a quick way to engender awful and fruitless discussions.

DrAwkward

March 29th, 2017 at 7:16 PM ^

Harbaugh spoke very eloquently about access to justice for low income people. And he carefully avoided partisan politics. Indeed, he seems genuinely non-partisan.

This exchange was awesome:

Harbaugh: ... I'm not saying this as a football coach, I'm saying this as an American. I'm for America first.

Politico: Well that's a Trump slogan right now—America First.

Harbaugh: I wasn't aware of that.