Fire Beilein Snowflake thread
February 4th, 2017 at 9:01 PM ^
This team didn't win those games because someone put "street fight" on a freaking wall. They won because they shot 45% and 66% against those 2 teams and got a bunch of turnovers. The past 2 games, they've shot less well (and really, it's basically just been Irvin) and they've lost.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:06 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 10:33 PM ^
They also shot 37% from the field overall. Again, hit a couple more 2 pointers and this isn't much of a game. I agree they couldn't rebound at all, which is crazy coming off a really good game on the boards against MSU.
Giving up 70 points isn't all that bad, considering it was basically 64 points before the free-throws. Michigan is 3rd in the conference in points per game allowed (65 pts/gm). Some of that is due to their incredibly slow pace, but they've been fine keeping teams largely in check during the conference season (save for that Illinois game). The problem is they have been wildly inconsistent shooting the ball, which is why they are a middle-of-the-road scoring team.
February 4th, 2017 at 10:41 PM ^
February 5th, 2017 at 12:00 AM ^
I'm not of the opinion to fire him mid-season but please don't patronize us with the whole, "this loss moved us to the outside of the bubble" nonsense. This team will not make the tournmament and are likely to not make the NIT as well. Look at the schedule and take out the 6 teams that were glorified high school wins at the beginning of the season and then tell me we're close to the bubble. That is a joke.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:48 PM ^
These people are humans you know...firing Beilein mid-season would only please the mouth-breathers and sends a poor message to all the other coaches on campus. He should hang it up after the season but your assertion is heat of the moment.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:59 PM ^
The message should be sent to all coaches that you can't rest on past laurels, and certain levels of success and competitiveness are demanded here
February 4th, 2017 at 8:56 PM ^
The team played poorly. They lost. But come on, drop it with this whole "they don't have heart, they are insulting US FANS with this effort" BS. They are college kids playing a game, and they are trying. They just lost.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:01 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 10:34 PM ^
I saw a team that needed Irvin to play better and give them more variety on offense but didn't. I generally don't question the heart and desire of a whole team of college athletes based on the outcome of a game.
February 4th, 2017 at 10:38 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:21 PM ^
It's time for the program to start heading in a new direction. UM could be a powerhouse if it wanted to be. It has more than enough resources to be competitive year in and year out.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:21 PM ^
My vote is to fire Beilein. Did I do that right?
Seriously, I've never seen a softer team. Soft, squishy, mushy, squashy. DId they ever get one goddamned offensive rebound this game? They give the crowd nothing to get excited about.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:21 PM ^
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February 4th, 2017 at 8:29 PM ^
To borrow from ghostface killah...
This basketball team = the Patron Saints of Tenderness aka the Human Glee Episodes aka The Inventors of the Audio Scrunchie aka the Merchants of Cuddles otherwise known as The Wizards of Pause. When sons aint travelin the world collectin magic wands n lookin for next level china patterns…you can usually find the boys doin lyrical origami on a track or out rescuin strippers from captivity nahmean. You kno you soft when you feel good bout droppin 10 Gs on a shower head that sprays lavender fragrances n shit. Word is bond…you kno you soft when chicks be showin how to do makeovers on youtube to look like you. You kno you soft when you inspire muthafuckin Zac Efron to get YOLO tatted on his creamy little hand b. You kno you soft when the furry mascots at ball games n shit be askin if they can get pictures wit YOU son. You kno you soft when you got a pink budgie, a baby owl n Aaliyah’s face all tatted 5 inches apart from each other on ya back. Son I can keep goin but you should get the point by now…
February 4th, 2017 at 8:25 PM ^
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February 4th, 2017 at 8:33 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:31 PM ^
1. Walton
2. Soft
3. Soft
4. Soft
5. Soft
February 4th, 2017 at 8:50 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 10:46 PM ^
My father and I were watching the game together and said the same thing. He's the only recruit who's filled out well since that amazing 2012 class. He is a legit killer and a real baller, sucks to see that his team sucks. Defentitly can't blame tonight on him: Walton has done a lot for this team.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:23 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:21 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:26 PM ^
If I had to guess realistically, that would actually be my guess - it is not particularly warm at the moment, and further, I have this suspicion that he would probably survive this season almost regardless of how it ends. Now, that being said, I have serious doubts that he survives a repeat of this performance. I guess "lukewarm" might be the worst case for now, but if the last five weeks or so don't go particularly well, I have to think they start asking the hard questions in the AD's office.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:31 PM ^
Its just like the Brady Hoke 2014 scenarios.
"Okay, what if he wins out and beats MSU and OSU and wins the bowl game? Would that be enough??".
It seems incredibly improbable that this team turns it around. I would have to think he's done after this year and Michigan goes 8-10 or whatever, but who knows.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:10 PM ^
Brady Hoke's 2014 team didn't have any Marquette, SMU, or Indiana level performances. (They did have the M00N game.)
This team shows glimpses of being a good team. And then doesn't show up other nights.
At 4-6 in the B1G, they're well behind schedule. 3 regular season home games left against MSU, Wisky, & Purdue & 5 on the road.
Ruh roh.
February 4th, 2017 at 10:49 PM ^
Beilein is at 2013 Brady Hoke: bad performances with some promosing moments. Underperfomred but has a pretty good track record at Michigan. He'll probably keep his job until his contract is up, then we let him go and find someone new. That's my best guess.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:31 PM ^
I don't think Warde would fire him if the season ended today, but I do think there will be talks about him stepping down either this year or next if there isn't marked improvement. My guess is Red is gone after this year, and I doubt the AD wants to hire 2 high-profile positions in a matter of months. But if Beilein can't get this team to play better to close out the year (and I'm sort of checking out of an NCAA bid at this point just because they lost winnable games to both OSU and MSU), Warde's hand might be pushed.
February 4th, 2017 at 9:39 PM ^
February 5th, 2017 at 12:13 AM ^
Interest matters and a lot of people are losing interest. If that is what they want for another year then that's a business decision that can also be criticized and reviewed.
February 4th, 2017 at 10:41 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:23 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:33 PM ^
The best Beilein teams were light-years better than Amaker's squads. Yes, this particular iteration of Michigan basketball is worse than his 2003-04 team and maybe the 2005-06 squads, but I lived those teams and they weren't all that talented.
Beilein was and is a better coach than Amaker in my opinion, but Tommy got better at Harvard (as young coaches should).
February 4th, 2017 at 8:24 PM ^
I get losing to the better teams in the conference. But losing to a shit team in your house, who happens to be one of the worst teams in the conference, and also happens to be your biggest rival, is unacceptable. If we get lose to MSU again, it's time for Beilein for retire.
Unbelievable how far this team has fallen given where we were only three years ago. Now we have to pray just to make the tournament.
February 4th, 2017 at 11:57 PM ^
I mean, I don't know. I think you're overvaluing the dramatics of this particular loss relative to your season as a whole. OSU is 14-10 (4-7). You guys are 14-9 (4-6). Neither of us are any good. I wouldn't slot this loss in the unacceptable bin for either team. We're both just as bad as each other.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:24 PM ^
Michigan basketball is bad now but it's going to get downright ugly without Walton next season and beyond.
Fire Beilein.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:25 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:36 PM ^
I really can't think of many schools than can consistently be elite at both. MSU and Florida have had spurts, but usually one falls off (MSU with football, Florida with basketball). I think it is very hard to sign the best coaches and staffs when you know you'll always be #2 on the pecking order.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:49 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:26 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:30 PM ^
Wasn't the point...it's just been beaten to death already. Like I said below, he's not getting fired in the middle of the season with a winning record and a clean program. No AD in the country would do that. So people need to take a breath, chill, and manage their expectations.
After the season is over however...have at it. Wouldn't be a shock to anyone. Again, I'd hope he found a place in the athletics department because I believe he's good for student-athletes...all student-athletes. And I think he'd enjoy a role where he could "touch" (poor word choice) multiple programs, softball, football, MBB, etc.
Similar to the role of Greg Harden.
But yes, I agree whole-heartedly that it's time for a new MBB coach. But I also know Beilein isn't getting fired and no coach we'd want is coming to Michigan today, tomorrow, or probably even next month.
Remember when Harbaugh arrived? Hint, it wasn't in week 8.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:26 PM ^
We already did this once...and he's not going to get fired in the middle of the season.
After the season is over however, retiring to an alternative role within the athletics department and bringing in someone who can coach, develop and RECRUIT to expectations would be nice.
February 4th, 2017 at 8:29 PM ^
February 4th, 2017 at 8:33 PM ^
Tolerated? Whoa. Relax there buddy.
And I guarantee Manuel has a pulse on the fanbase and WAY more importantly...his own expectations for the Michigan basketball program. We don't need a Fire Beilein thread after every loss to show Manuel that "we mean business, or else!"
February 4th, 2017 at 8:50 PM ^
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