1971 Sandusky victim says Paterno told him to drop his allegation; six PSU coaches reportedly saw abuse
problem is 95% who walk past it on gamedays have no decency and would just bow down in worship to it. It would be quite a nauseating display right now
They never put that statue back up, despite plenty of pressure from the Paterno loyalists to do so. I don't want to give them too much credit. It took way too long for them to take it down in the first place and putting up a statue of your current coach was a symptom of the problem there.
Tell that to Nick Saban.
Now.
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Quick, give them uniforms with near invisible numbers.
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Not to get biblical, but if indeed there is a just and right higher power, then I hope they are dealt with accordingly.
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Joe Paterno can rot in hell. Fuck that motherfucker. I hope Sandusky dies a horrible death and that Dottie live with mounds of guilt during her remaining years.
The words "penn state" make my skin crawl and my blood boil.
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I have no immediate thoughts on these 2 new stories. But something seems odd, something may be up.
Things have been relatively quiet for 46 consecutive months (since July 2012) on the "new allegations" front.
And now, three stories seemingly out of nowhere. All potential BOMB-shells. And all three stories drop within 24 hours. Perhaps a coincidence. Perhaps also that someone/something is driving this wildfire flare-up. Though I have not the slightest idea who/what that would be.
We'll see where this goes. SIX assistant coaches. SIX? Simply from the POV of "most human beings are fairly decent people", I struggle to immediately believe that. Six is not a small number, and these are serious accusations. Given such, I think they'll have to name the supposed coaches eventually. Story could go in many different directions from there. A HUGE, unexpected left turn in the current story may occur soon. We'll see.
You'll get shit on for being a denier...BUT it is all very peculiar. I'm no shocked by much at this point anymore so, we'll see where this goes (unfortunatley, I'd venture not a very good place).
Between the CNN and NBC stories ... the CNN story is, overall, the less "interesting." It's the same general story (someone told Joe about Sandusky, nothing happened), just a different year. That story is believable. Fits the same overall narrative.
The NBC story is more interesting. SIX assistant coaches, and they're all involved in the cover-up also. That's a BOMB-shell if true. This is no longer "Joe knows but is keeping things secret." This is now "Everyone knows and is keeping it secret." Big difference.
But there are legitimate questions. (1) What would be their motivation for behaving so immorally? (2) Not one of them had a moral epiphany over the ensuing years, and spoke up? (3) According to the article, many of these 6 assistants would coach in the NFL or elsewhere in college - why not say something when PSU/Paterno are in the rear-view mirror? (4) Paterno allowed a Washington Post writer full access to the program (for a book) in the 1988-1992 era, isn't that risky in an environment where everyone in the program is keeping an awful secret? (5) Don't cover-ups generally become less successful as more people know the truth? (6) Who are these 6 assistants? Greg Schiano, current Detroit Lions' coach Jim Caldwell, Dick Anderson, Fran Ganter, they all were PSU assistants in the early 1990s. Go down the list, ask them all.
As I said, we'll see where this goes. For the time being, I'm agnostic on the NBC story. I need more.
That answers all your questions.
They only become less successful if there is less to lose. If these people say they had any knowledge they will be finished in public opinion.
You are also trying to say all of them had knowledge when that isn't necessarily the case.
Six assistant coaches? Seems almost unbelievable like borderline conspiracy/illuminati stuff. I find it tough to believe that literally the whole staff covered for Sandusky for decades, knowing he was molesting kids. Do I believe Paterno selfishly pretended it didn't happen? Yep. But it's harder to picture that the whole PSU staff was some kind of high level child molesting ring for 4 decades - as fun as it is to believe such a wild story
this kid with the police and who know what else. These coaches knew Paterno controlled the university, city and police. He also had huge clout in college football circles. It takes a big man to be brave enough to step forward. There obviously weren't many of those types of people around Happy Valley.
Six isn't a huge number. Please remember that there were hundreds if not thousands of otherwise decent people who were aware of abuse going on in the Church for many years. Something kept them from speaking out (respect for power, suspending belief for someone they admired, whatever). Also, remember that even late in the abuse cycle, McQuery's FIRST thought was "tell Paterno" not "call 911". The culture of PSU was "protect the program" and "trust JoePa." We'll see what the evidence is, but I absolutely believe that it fits the way the program operated. I'd be surprised if this were NOT true, honestly.
and the Catholic church (as I know from being raised a Catholic) --- they are not shy with the "you are going to hell for eternity if you don't follow the rules of our culture" type of sermons.
The non-Sandusky Penn State Assistant Coaches from that era --- I can only think of 2 that grew up Penn State, were Penn State "lifers" of sorts. Fran Ganter and Dick Anderson. Anderson did go coach Rutgers for 5 years, came back.
But the others from that era? They were like most assistant coaches: childhood in one place, played their college ball another place, various different schools as they moved up the coaching ladder, then some time at Penn State, many leaving after some time as they continue to try to move up the ladder.
Why would those guys buy into the "culture of PSU being protect the program and trust JoePa?" What is their motivation? There are times in their career when Penn State is LONG in the rear-view mirror, why would they still be part of a cover-up?
To protect their hard-won positions safe within the insular good ol' boys club of elite college football coaches. Why would I rock the boat decades after the fact for an unclear reward and very tangible drawbacks?
of the "good ol' boys club of elite college football coaches." You make it out like ALL of them are morally corrupt! I'm not naive, but neither do I have such an all-encompassing negative view of everybody.
Given a few of the details in the NBC report, Jim Caldwell is a rather prime suspect to be one of these six coaches. The guy played his college ball at Iowa, coached at a whole bunch of schools prior to PSU, spent his time at PSU, went on to Wake Forest, and the NFL. Deeply religious guy, just like his NFL mentor, Tony Dungy.
He was covering up criminal activity, he was morally corrupt? Sorry, unless I see more, I'm not believing that.
However, they wouldn't look kindly upon a member revealing sensitive secrets.
Inaction is the easy way out. It's simply the nature of humans to protect what we have.
Let's try another wavelength. How do we treat whistleblowers in today's society? Are they:
a) celebrated as champions of human freedom;
b) reviled in the court of public opionion as snitches;
c) criminalized at the highest levels of government and forced to live overseas;
d) liable to lose their jobs, social standing, and livelihood;
e) b, c, and d but not a?
were named Time Magazine's people of the year.
I surmise your answer to your question is (e), but my answer would be (f): generally celebrated but likely to be reviled if they leak classified information and then run off to hang out with Vladimir Putin. No, i do not defend Edward Snowden.
Anyway: if an assistant coach quits a job, steals the playbook on the way out then publicizes it --- that will get him ostracizied from the "good 'ol boys club." That is "revealing a sensitive secret", and that is a possible career-killer.
I simply don't believe that if a coach saw criminal behavior, quit his job, and said "I quit my job because I witnessed Jerry Sandusky having sex with a boy, and other Penn State folk simply didn't care when I told them" --- that would be the end of his career. I simply don't believe that.
Time Magazine. Hahahahaha. 2002. Yes, and we've followed up on that legacy with, for example, the fun fates that Bank of America whistleblowers got (firing, or lengthy legal battles): https://www.propublica.org/article/four-whistleblowers-who-sounded-the-…
Or this spook with conscience: http://www.ibtimes.co.in/only-cia-officer-jailed-torture-program-whistl…
I too believe ignorance is bliss, and I'm mad that Snowden exposed the NSA spying on all Americans and "enhanced interrogation techniques". Dirty traitor. How dare he seek sanctuary in Hong Kong before being forced to move to Russia.
JoePa had lots of friends beyond his family, you know. I wouldn't want to cross him at the height of his power, or even in the 2000s figurehead era. Would I as a coach want to hire a known whistleblower with the baggage and stigma that comes along with that?
Perhaps that's the reason Time sought to honor them. In a close knit profession like coaching I'd expect that to be especially true. It might work out fine for a coach to report Sandusky if he got convicted, but I wouldn't be sure of it. What if instead, he never got charged? That's not an unlikely outcome. Good luck getting another job in that scenario. Paterno can assasinate your character to other coaches. Even if they might be inclined to believe you over him, hiring you brings controversy they don't want. They can't be sure you're telling the truth either. Why not hire someone else instead?
If these assistant coaches did get involved, the most likely way would have been to report it to Paterno. Puts them in a tough position when nothing happens. They're not just accusing Sandusky if they go further, but Paterno too. Frankly, I doubt six coaches with first hand knowledge would be so cowardly. Having second hand knowledge would be different.
They all had earned college degrees. This, imo, is the worst type of crime that exists. We only have a short period in our life where not much is asked of us, only to be happy. We realize that all too quickly, even in what would be described as a normal, uneventful life. When you have some sick fuck, assisted by another sick fuck, supposedly the unequivocal leader of Happy Valley and all that is good, consideration of career advancement shouldn't - and I am stone cold serious - not even enter one's mind.
yes, removing them from the conference is the only way to achieve some kind of closure at least when it comes to their vile football program, and to meat out justice where the ncaa totally failed. It would be more effective than the death penalty even, as what other conference will take them?
no, they haven't been quiet. The USPS has been conducting an investigation into a child porn ring involving sandusky going back decades, and the victim is now revealing a lot of what he *testified in court* but was sealed due to statue of limitations and the settlement from penn st acknowledging he was a victim. This is NOT a new accusation. It's just being made public finally, despite he faces great risk.
Accusations going public all at once after many years is the nature of the trauma of child abuse and rape victims. It empowers them to know they're not alone, just as with bill cosby's accusers and many others. Might *some* of them be false to some degree? Sure. But all of them? Not a chance. I also find the amount of details, CNN's account of the accuser's difficulties, and corroborating accusation and evidence from the time of the incident in this case to be overwhelming. I'm a skeptical person, but it's really too much
And also penn st and joe paterno did everything possible to conceal the truth, so they get no benefit of doubt from me
honestly, if he had came forward in say 1994, i would've thought his silence for so long was totally heinous, but at least you could say he told the truth in the end and stopped future abuses. He could've done the right thing at any point. Whoever says he "loved penn state too much and football program..." yeah, right, loved them so much he cost them 4 years of postseason, completely trashed their reputation, brought the university president down with him, and even discusses of removing them from the conference so they can become the next SMU, and god knows what will happen next, if the nightmare ever ends
he did this out of pure selfishness, not to protect the program or the college. At this point i wouldn't even be surprised if he had that prosecutor killed
The complicitness that multiple people in PSU's AD KNEW Sandusky was raping kids and did nothing for decades belies a morally corrupt organization. If the conference has any value (or values) at all, it is far better to cut ties with a corrupt organization than to maintain ties and become tainted by association.
As allegations like this of Sandusky's crimes and Paterno's silence come out and it appears more and more that this can be traced back to events now over 40 years old, I sit in amazement that there are still a large number of people in the Penn State fanbase that can still speak glowingly about Joe Paterno or almost anyone on that staff. To enable Jerry Sandusky for all those years and to ostensibly be comfortable in doing so is unconscionable to me.
Now we wait for the Paterno family's disgusting effort to make this about them somehow.
Everyone there has SO much emotional investment in perpetuating this lie it makes me sick to my stomach.
Fuck them. Fuck all of them.
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