OT: Paterno knew of Sandusky abuse in 1976
The PSU cultists will still defend him.
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2016/05/court_filing_says_joe_paterno.html
A new bombshell dropped in the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal Thursday.It came in the form of a line in a court order on a related insurance coverage case involving Penn State, and its ramifications can't immediately be gauged.But that line was eye-popping in itself.The line in question states that one of Penn State's insurers has claimed "in 1976, a child allegedly reported to PSU's Head Coach Joseph Paterno that he (the child) was sexually molested by Sandusky."
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It is called lacking of fucking institutional control!!!
It had everything to do with football. They knew and still allowed him to run 2nd Mile camps in their facilities.
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People forget that it was brought to the DA Ray Gricar and he didn't press charges. Then years later his computer was found in a river, his car empty on the side of the road and he was never seen again.
Your comments echo my thoughts exactly 1484
The perfect definition of lack of institutional control - times ten.
There's a decent argument that if Sandusky committed the crimes and nobody else knew about it, PSU shouldn't get punished since it's not an NCAA issue, so I get what you're saying.
However, PSU isn't being punished for Sandusky's wrongdoing, they're being punished for Paterno's wrongdoing. Paterno covered it up, and he did so to protect the image of his football team, which is an NCAA issue.
Re: someone else talking about PSU sanctions being reduced, I'll bet it was in part because there wasn't actually any specific NCAA rule in place that Paterno clearly violated. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just one of those things that's SO fucked up, the NCAA never thought there'd be a need to write a rule addressing it.
That's my point, there is no specific NCAA rule. Possibly because they knew it would fall under actual laws which take precedence over any NCAA rule. The NCAA isn't in the business of policing things like this, that's what actual police are for.
NCAA rules cover things which are legal, but which they restrict. They have a catchall provision prohibiting all illegal activity. Just imagine how ludicrous a rulebook would be if it had to spell out every crime you could not commit.
You're right that these become police matters, but it makes no sense that the NCAA can't punish those involved too. By the same logic, you wouldn't have players suspended for being charged or convicted of crimes.
Does the NCAA suspend players for crimes? Seems to me they don't (I could be wrong), it's the schools that do the suspending.
It's not the job of football coaches or programs to investigate crimes any more than it's the NCAA's. Would you argue they shouldn't be allowed to punish players for committing crimes? That they can suspend players for missing a meeting, but once they've broken the law their punishment has to come from the courts?
The NCAA suspended Florida's QB for a year for PEDs. They do get involved in player discipline. That's typically handled by conferences and teams. If they refused to take responsibility, the NCAA would surely take a greater role, but that's not my point.
PSU shouldn't be punished for what Sandusky did, they should be punished for what they DIDN'T do when they found out what Sandusky did.
They did make a decision, it was just done behind closed doors without getting law enforcement involved. That was when Sandusky, the heir apparent to Paterno, mysteriously retired.
There's no reason I can think of whatsoever that would lead Paterno to take that action unless it was to protect the football program.
PSU football is no different than Sandusky's wife in terms of accomplice and cover up. The program provided the sick bastard the means by which to carry out his vulgar behavior.
No PSU football, no easy access to victims ....for DECADES!!!!
Fuck Paterno ..fuck PSU and fuck the NCAA
yeah and the sad thing about it is it didn't even harm their football program that much even after their lies and continued protection of a serial child rapist were uncovered. In addition, as a community they showed no remorse. That is exactly why they should've got the death penalty and been removed from the conference. I'd take 10 rutgers to get rid of them now
of incidents in the late 80s.Of course there were. Child molesters rarely start in their 50s.
The only reason Sandusky was allowed to keep molesting children was to protect Paterno and the football program. This wasn't a case of a child molester who just happened to be a football coach. This was a child molester free to operate only because he was also a football coach.
is the golden nugget of truth that "not an NCAA issue" people seem to miss.
Ed Martin numbers racket vs. Jerry Sandusky's pedophilia. . .
good grief.
Guessing I'll get negged for this, but you can't see the distinction between (1) improper benefits that provided a clear competitive advantage on the court and (2) an admittedly heinous crime that involved multiple members of the football program but was essentially unconnected to the business of the football program itself? I can see the argument there -- one is enforcing NCAA rules, the other is enforcing criminal statutes.
How does paying players provide an advantage on the court? You still have to play the games. A team can have all the talent in the world and not win shit if the coach isn't good i.e. Hoke.
Obviously, the payment helps get the players on your team. Cumong man.
Okay, so if Ty Wheatley Sr. committed a murder tonight, and Harbaugh learned of it and covered it up, Michigan's football program should get sanctions? I just don't get that. They should both be in jail, but it's totally divorced from the football program.
Just like at Baylor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylor_University_basketball_scandal
Sandusky used PSU Football the way the stereotypical child molester uses candy to get kids into his van or house.
Harbaugh covered it up and then Wheatley goes on to commit 20 more murders on campus. In the meantime the AD and school administrators and various other university employees knew about some of them, but were afraid to cross Harbaugh.
Yes, I think the school deserves punishment in that case. They would have played a big part in enabling Wheatley snd Harbaugh breaking the law. Meanwhile they profited from having the best coach in CFB leading their FB program.
You don't think a program's reputation (and thus, its recruiting and overall popularity) might be harmed by the disclosure that one of its coaches is a pedophile?
Fuck Penn State.
He is a scum of a human being, and his image should/will be tarnished forever. Good riddance.
Not at the time, it was in late '68. Sandusky started coaching for Paterno in '69. There would have been nothing to know at the time.
Well there's a strawman argument if I ever heard one. How is the fact Don Canham once offered Joe Paterno the head coaching job here at Michigan germane to the discussion? Nobody here is disputing Paterno's skill and acumen as a football coach. We're questioning his ethics and moral compass.
So the fact that Don Canham once offered Joe Paterno a job here disqualifies us from being able to throw stones? I'm confused.