Potential QB transfers for 2016
Montana State QB Dakota Prukop was discussed in a thread yesterday, but with Kyle Allen's announcement that he's transferring from Texas A&M, I thought I would take a little more in-depth of a look at five potential QB transfers for 2016. Allen's interest in Michigan is uncertain, but there has been buzz about mutual interest from the other four.
http://touch-the-banner.com/potential-transfer-quarterbacks-for-2016/
December 12th, 2015 at 9:25 AM ^
Didn't JH talk about the need for UM to be more open to all types of recruiting? I don't think we should be focuing on 5th year transfers for LB, but instead JC LB's.
When you have a pressing need for immediate help, the best way to do that (besides finding Frosh superstar ready to instantly play) is junior college guys.
I know JC players coming to UM was as rare in the past, but I feel like this was something JH pushed as a change UM needs to make for Football.
Does anyone watch/track the best JC players, and wouldn't that be a better fit than a 5th year backup that transfers for one year?
December 12th, 2015 at 9:30 AM ^
And it looks like there are some good options at both inside and outside LB positions
(non-paywall)
Why wouldn't these guys be a better option then 5th years grad transfers? Obviously grades could be an issue, but if JH got some into Stanford UM should be possible too?
December 12th, 2015 at 9:56 AM ^
December 12th, 2015 at 10:15 AM ^
I thought they were well known for not having any.
Admissions may be willing to give Harbaugh a few extra waivers for HS recruits. I'm skeptical that they change their policy on transferring credits. JuCos can get in if they take the right classes.
December 12th, 2015 at 10:46 AM ^
UM has had 4 JUCO transfers in its football history.
I agree this is what you do at almost every other school at FBS - we could have done this with our OL 3 years ago and maybe Hoke would still have a job. Heck MSU brings in 1-2 JUCOs a year to address shortfalls in depth chart. KSU as about 1/3rd its roster JUCOs. But it's very rare for UM due to reasons listed by others.
Here is a piece I found a while back by the way - the B12 is JUCO central w/ P12 not far behind. B10 schools do it far less often.
December 12th, 2015 at 11:18 AM ^
for a five year period within each conference too. http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/01/which_football_teams_sign_th…
We took one, who was an outstanding student in HS. He went to JuCo in hopes of getting an FBS offer. http://mgoblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/austin-panter-linebacker-guy.html
Stanford took none, btw.
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Maybe I'll bring Jim a surprise quarterback..*Cough Cough*... I mean Christmas present this year.
December 12th, 2015 at 9:37 AM ^
But as far as priorities go, I would switch Patrick and Kyle on that list. Only because the combo of Hill and Patrick would be available for one year. At least Allen is young, would have a year to learn the system, and STILL have 2 yrs of eligibility left.
December 12th, 2015 at 10:05 AM ^
I see what you're saying, but Michigan will presumably have some developed, Harbaugh-approved quarterbacks by 2017 (like Gentry, Peters, etc.).
December 12th, 2015 at 9:44 AM ^
Are there any players from our current roster whom you see as getting a look at possibly switching from their current position to LB?
December 12th, 2015 at 10:14 AM ^
From the current roster, the only guy I see as a potential linebacker is Chase Winovich. I also think Devin Gil could play there eventually, but he'll probably still be too small as a freshman.
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Rodriguez's offense is a little more pass-oriented than it has been in the past.
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December 12th, 2015 at 1:11 PM ^
Yes, you would rather have top talent at every roster spot. But if you got a roster spot/scholarship held by a kid that isn't reasonably likely to play a down, in my opinion, you have wasted a roster spot/scholarship, unless you know that the kid is perfectly happy to be the scout team QB.
I'd think it would make more sense to find a RB or LB who you could rotate into the mix and use every game as opposed to a talented 5th stringer.
December 12th, 2015 at 9:49 AM ^
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December 12th, 2015 at 10:01 AM ^
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If O'Korn goes down, Gentry will be the guy to to go in. And I'd bet that he will be pretty good.
I'd guess that Morris leaves.
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December 12th, 2015 at 10:18 AM ^
Rudolph and Walsh were a deadly combo
December 12th, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^
December 12th, 2015 at 5:33 PM ^
The only time I'm okay with a two-QB system is if you have something like Oklahoma did a couple years ago, where Blake Bell was "The Belldozer" and a running/short yardage threat. (Peppers sort of filled that role at times this year.) Otherwise, I think it messes with team chemistry, the flow of the game, etc. AFAIK, Harbaugh has never been a two-QB guy, so I don't think that will happen.
December 12th, 2015 at 10:24 AM ^
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QB isn't like other positions (WR, DB, RB, LB, DL, TE) where you can give several players PT in every game, depending on the game situation. You got you #1 QB and you play him until the game is out of hand, until he stinks up the place or until he gets hurt.
I guess i don't understand why you'd come to the current mix at UM unless you thought you had a damn good shot at starting. And could see where Viramontes could easily conclude that he wasn't getting anywhere near the top of the QB depth chart with O'Korn, Gentry, Peters ahead of him, not to mention Speight and Morris, who actually have some experience. If he wants to play QB, there are programs out there that he should be able to start at or at least have a decent shot at. Same with Morris and Malzone.
Even Peters has to realistically look at it as having to sit through 2 years of O'Korn before he gets to start as a reshirt sophomore.
I think we got enough guys at QB that we can afford to make the big push to get RB's or LBs.
December 12th, 2015 at 10:27 AM ^
It's exciting to imagine a veteran QB transferring in, with experience and all that. But even with a quality guy like Rudock, we saw growing pains as he learned our difficult offense. So it's hardly ideal. Next year, I'm hoping we focus on the development of our own young QBs, so that we get a QB who can start for a couple years and we can end the "who's our QB?" trepidation threads for awhile.
Guys like Gentry and O'Korn will be fully trained in the offense and can at worst keep the seat warm for Peters.
Here's a link to highlights from the 2015 Spring Game, where we got extended looks at Malzone and some Morris. Malzone, even as a month-old freshman, looks like a real QB.
December 12th, 2015 at 10:41 AM ^
I agree with your general view ... but thought Malzone struggled. Which he should have as a true freshman on campus a few weeks.
Let's say in a theoretical world Jim doesnt like a single Hoke QB long term. That means he has O'Korn Gentry and Peters next year as "real options". So it makes sense this year to try again for a transfer. Then in a year he will have those 3 plus 2017 QB.
Also to stress again why to do this, this year - 2017 is going to be a rebuild year ... not a 5 win rebuild year, but a "we lose 80% of our projected 2016 starters and will be among the youngest teams in FBS" rebuild so you can take your lumps that year if say a senior O'Korn goes down with the backup. 2016 is a year to push for the B10 championship if you can solve QB and LB and the running game. So you are pushing for exp at QB in 16.
December 12th, 2015 at 11:15 AM ^
won the national championship with a very young team last year. Who knows what kind of talent we will have on the 2017 team.
December 12th, 2015 at 2:20 PM ^
December 12th, 2015 at 3:40 PM ^
I completely agree. I am not sold on Malzone, although he looks like a good depth QB to me.
You're hitting on the most interesting issue, in my mind: How does our roster makeup affect Harbaugh's approach to player development for the 2016 and 2017 seasons?
For example, the roster outlook prolly factored into their willingness to play a few of the Freshmen in 2015, such as Newsome and Perry. We had to blood a few guys, so they can be real contributors in 2016-17.
My view is that it's better to play a young guy who's been in the system for a year than an older transfer. Rudock was exceptional for several reasons, the most important being that he came from a pro system at Iowa. A spread QB will take even longer to acclimate, and reduce his value as a 1-year stopgap even further.
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December 12th, 2015 at 11:59 AM ^
and the starting position wasn't settled until fall camp. It makes sense that Morris would like to graduate early, but I've never seen anything but speculation on whether he will.