OT: Two RBs and a WR from BC announce they are transferring
https://bostoncollege.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1832026
None of them are grad transfers so I don't know that they are worth pursuing. But something is going on there.
December 1st, 2015 at 8:51 AM ^
A Florida player broke a team rule and Jim McElwain is letting his seniors decide whether or not the guy should play in the SEC Championship game.
You can't make this stuff up!
December 1st, 2015 at 8:57 AM ^
Now THAT'S leadership!
December 1st, 2015 at 8:58 AM ^
that takes it off the coach. not a thing to do.players will say yes because they want to win. once again just plain bull shit.
December 1st, 2015 at 9:25 AM ^
Didn't d'antoni do the same thing?
December 1st, 2015 at 10:19 AM ^
Yeah, I thought he has a "Players' Council".
December 1st, 2015 at 8:59 AM ^
December 1st, 2015 at 9:07 AM ^
Yep, happened with Jeremy Hill at LSU
December 1st, 2015 at 9:46 AM ^
December 1st, 2015 at 10:02 AM ^
What? "Trust your seniors?" I could see that argument flying if they were uninterested observers who didn't know the offenders or the consequences of voting to suspend the offenders (i.e. maybe losing a huge football game). But they do know the offenders and the consequences. So this is basically saying, "OK guys, will you vote to do what is right for the team, your own self-interest, your school, your future? Or will you suspend these guys?" It's just kind of dumb...
December 1st, 2015 at 10:20 AM ^
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December 1st, 2015 at 10:33 AM ^
While we don't know what the kid did to possibly be suspended for a game...it's something bad enough or a repeated offense that directly goes against the team rules. It doesn't reflect well on the leadership of a coach to let seniors determine the consequences of a suspendable offense. Just from a leadership role, the coach can certainly gauge the opinion of other seniors or the captains to help aid his decision, but completely leaving it up to them simply seems poor.
December 1st, 2015 at 10:49 AM ^
I agree. I had a coach who did the same thing and it created divisions in the team. We had a player who broke drinking rules and the team voted on their suspension. It was uncomfortable and everyone knew who voted for and against it.
December 1st, 2015 at 11:58 AM ^
one knows the nature of the violation, one should step back and be a little more objective. It may or may not be appropriate to have seniors decide, without knowledged of the offense people should exercise some caution about objecting.
December 1st, 2015 at 12:36 PM ^
So, you're OK with the the same kids who are beholden to those rules decide how they should be meted?
December 2nd, 2015 at 12:16 PM ^
son choose a consequence. In the context of healthy parenting, its an occasional option that encourages responsibilty, (family) team cohesiveness and accountability. If you read between the lines, a coach might do this for a violation that is not real serious, but needs to be addressed. Its certainly not totally out of the question depending on the history of leadership, team cohesiveness, and accountability. That's all I'm saying here.
December 1st, 2015 at 11:03 AM ^
Like 18 year old kids are gonna decide to not let their buddy play? "Dudes you're gonna let me play in the SEC championship game right?" "Are you gonna break the rule again?" "Nah" "Alright cool".
December 1st, 2015 at 11:42 AM ^
It is a BIG DEAL to let players determine discipline and when to apply it. The best analogy would be my parenting style to let my kids displine themselves. They'd be eating ice cream for every meal and never doing homework without fear of discipline. Come on...you have to see how dumb it is "to let the players decide"???
As a coach, make a decision and live with it.
December 1st, 2015 at 12:11 PM ^
In practice directing the child to choose the consequnce frequently results in a more severe consequence. If a group of senior football players are incapable of making a difficult decision, and doing the right thing for the greater good, it suggests that they have been poorly prepared for the world. In which case maybe football might not be the great character building sport we wish it to be.
I think, given the opportunity, the players will make the right decision more times than not. And I think that those players that are put in positions to make tough decisions, even if they get it wrong, will be better prepared for the 'real' world.
December 1st, 2015 at 3:15 PM ^
Agree to disagree. Immediate gain for players who only play 4 or 5 seasons of college football by trying to win as many games as possible. Long term structural decisions are left up to adults (coaches and adminstrators) who are building a program that will live past the decisions of these few players.
Fraud happens in the financial arena when there are no checks and balances to prevent short term gain over long term stability.
December 1st, 2015 at 12:38 PM ^
and the seniors voted to suspend the player. It was for breaking curfew, IIRC. This is a far cry from what Miles did at LSU with Hill.
December 1st, 2015 at 10:14 AM ^
playbook
December 1st, 2015 at 10:44 AM ^
December 1st, 2015 at 2:09 PM ^
If Urbz or D'Antoni did this we would be all over him. Actually, if Jimmy did this I would be upset as well. I believe the coach's should make the punishments.
December 1st, 2015 at 9:00 AM ^
December 1st, 2015 at 12:27 PM ^
They had a great D. We'll take their LBs please.
December 1st, 2015 at 9:08 AM ^
lack of playing time could be the issue. Two Sophs with limited touches and a seldom used frosh. Who knows. But hopefully they can take something positive from thier time at BC.
December 1st, 2015 at 9:13 AM ^
Pretty underwhelming #'s. Do not want.
December 1st, 2015 at 9:27 AM ^
just to push you closer to the 30K summit
December 1st, 2015 at 10:04 AM ^
Lots of schools said that about Rawls, too.
December 1st, 2015 at 9:25 AM ^
December 1st, 2015 at 9:31 AM ^
December 1st, 2015 at 10:31 AM ^
That's Don Brown, who is also their LB coach.They allowed the lowest yds (254 yds/game) in 2015 of all FBS teams.
December 1st, 2015 at 10:43 AM ^
We could probably use a LB coach. Hire the man.
December 1st, 2015 at 1:08 PM ^
Have to keep in mind that they absolutely pasted an overmatched Howard team though. All of BC's defense stats are basically over n-1 games while everyone else played n
December 1st, 2015 at 2:06 PM ^
while everyone else was playing zero or one.
December 1st, 2015 at 9:34 AM ^
I was thinking BC Lions...
December 1st, 2015 at 9:38 AM ^
December 1st, 2015 at 11:38 AM ^
But the grad transfer thing will probably be a thing. Sam Webb indicated yesterday or the day before that "you'd have to think" M will be LB and S shopping on the grad transfer waiver wire this winter and spring.
December 1st, 2015 at 9:40 AM ^
I assume they are leaving because their offense is butt*. And I choose to understand the causality of this situation only in that direction.
*Not to be confused with captial B Butt, which is very good.
December 1st, 2015 at 9:40 AM ^
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December 1st, 2015 at 9:56 AM ^
you got a lot of players that have not beat out anyone. that is the way jh plays the best plays no matter what year they are. so yes some will leave. i predict that morris and one other qb will leave. we should have more than that. i think this is going to be the tread.
December 1st, 2015 at 10:26 AM ^
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December 1st, 2015 at 11:35 AM ^
If later on they're still buried on the depth chart, hopefully they'll be in a position to graduate in three years and have two seasons of eligibility somewhere else.
December 1st, 2015 at 10:03 AM ^
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December 1st, 2015 at 10:34 AM ^
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December 1st, 2015 at 12:36 PM ^
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December 1st, 2015 at 10:36 AM ^
If we start a post for every school that has attrition....
December 1st, 2015 at 10:46 AM ^
whose first game is BC in Ireland next year, to this I say: BYE!
December 1st, 2015 at 11:23 AM ^