OT: Penn State's vacated wins returned
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12179571/joe-paterno-111-wins-were-vacated-restored
I don't know about the forum but I'm absolutely disgusted by this. Pedophile U created a culture of abuse over many years and their "punishment" has hardly been just that. There's been zero accountability at that institution for the top down failures of leadership in the president's office, the athletic department, and the surrounding community.
You just know students will be celebrating this tonite in State College. I'm sick and tired of that fan base's worship of JoePa and their claims that it wasn't his fault.
My heart aches for the victims who got bullshit justice in the first place -- bowl bans and vacated wins? That were lifted early?
Penn State should have got the death penalty!
January 16th, 2015 at 1:34 PM ^
The fact that this gif has R. Kelly in it makes it 7,004% more awesome.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:20 PM ^
gonna arbitrary power
January 16th, 2015 at 1:20 PM ^
C'mere Johnny! Grandpa Joe has a suprise for you! No, it's all good Jerry, we get to keep the wins. Just keep those boys in the shower.
Geesh. SMH NCAA.
Never. Ceases. To. Amaze. Me.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:20 PM ^
If you didn't hate the NCAA before, you should now
January 16th, 2015 at 1:21 PM ^
those with the biggest piles of cash win
January 16th, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^
The NCAA is a joke.
Hopefully when the NCAA crumbles after the power 5 conference tell them to fuck off, Michigan will reinstate the vacated basketball wins.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:55 PM ^
because I don't want to think about child rape anymore.
I was thinking about something similar on my drive into work today. Why doesn't the Power 5 just dump the NCAA all together and form their own association? The P5AA. They could make their own rules, bump up the scholarship limits, and get rid of all the bullshit handed down from the NCAA since forever.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:32 PM ^
SO...how would that change anything? Would your P5AA have done anything different? Did the B1G? Would a smaller group of more powerful schools have, what, kicked out PSU?
The point is, it's like NFL owners being asked to sanction another owner. "There but for the grace of God go I." "Hey, if I kick this guy in the balls today... next time, when I'm in his place... uhhh, ok, no ball-kicking. Slap that wrist." The NCAA has no power without its member institutions agreeing to go along with it, and your P5AA would be just the same thing.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:47 PM ^
a smaller, more intertwined organization might have provided more effective oversight.
But I probably should have posted this in another thread. My idea for a P5AA has more to do with the big players separating themselves from the NCAA for other reasons.
January 16th, 2015 at 7:57 PM ^
the B1G did censure Penn State and did take away their bowl money share and gave that money to the other universities to be given to charities that fight child abuse.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:21 PM ^
I will always make that claim that if it was JoPa's grandkids getting raped in the showers, it would have been handled much differently. So with that being said, there is absolutely no need to return any glory or pride from the years in which that University and Football program withheld information about a serial pedophile being on their payroll.
January 16th, 2015 at 4:55 PM ^
NFG, thank you. I have used this (unfortunate) example countless times that if those kids were his relatives, that senile old coot would have done more than just notify his superiors! He ran that damn university!
January 16th, 2015 at 1:24 PM ^
...but that cuts both ways. $60 million toward preventing child abuse is much more important than wins and losses, but it's also something well beyond tacky for Penn State to push to have the wins reinstated in the first place.
The basics of the proposed settlement are here: http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-reaches-proposed-settlement-corman-lawsuit
January 16th, 2015 at 1:25 PM ^
who wants a little bit of child rape to get in the way of Joe Pa and his wins.
I have nothing else to say except....Fuck. Penn. State.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:25 PM ^
What a shame. As always, the only thoughts should be with the victims but I cannot fathom how the NCAA could be so ignorant to what went on there.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:26 PM ^
I wonder if the JoePa statue will be reinstalled.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:26 PM ^
That was my first thought too. It seems like reinstating the wins is revalidating his legacy, thus justifying another statue of him.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:14 PM ^
Can the new statue have him squeezing his eyes shut and sticking his fingers in his ears?
January 16th, 2015 at 1:26 PM ^
January 16th, 2015 at 1:28 PM ^
I hate this world.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:30 PM ^
some higher ups lost their jobs, face criminal prosecution, and someone did go to jail. The rest was all window dressing.
Lets not forget PSU suffored for 2 years on the field so its not like they weren't punished, its just those that were punished had nothing to do with what happend. So I guess we move on.
The NCAA is a failing organization and won't be around in its current form much longer.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:32 PM ^
For two whole years?
January 16th, 2015 at 1:42 PM ^
January 16th, 2015 at 1:43 PM ^
That's the frustrating part. The on the field punishment really had little to do with the problems Penn State was being punished for, whereas the Paterno related punishments were directly connected. As it stands, only the on-field punishment will have actually taken affect.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^
get un-raped or something? Absurd, F'd up world we live in.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^
What a fucking joke. Can't even stick by the token slap on the wrist punishment.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:21 PM ^
It's because their punishment was arbitrary and outside of their purview to start with. If you read anything about that court case the only proper solution from the judge is that everyone involved is ordered thrown in a volcano.
January 16th, 2015 at 4:14 PM ^
January 16th, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^
Seriously, wtf? I would get one of the victims to go on ESPN to speak out against this. Total bullshit.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^
faith in truth and justice. Not. The good thing is that no one is going to see those wins without understanding what went down for a long, long time to come.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:32 PM ^
For those of you who tweet, you may want to stay off for the next few hours as quotes from the PA State Senator, former PSU players and more come out...in the absence of all tact and respect for victims they are celebrating this as some type of huge victory. They have learned absolutely nothing. I am so furious seeing the quotes coming out right now, physically ill.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:37 PM ^
...they really can't remove Penn State from the stain of this. They can claim vindication all they want, but they won't be seen as a model program like they once were by the outside world for a very long time.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:30 PM ^
The whole situation is disgusting and disturbing on so many levels. No amount of NCAA penalty would ever begin to restore what was stolen from all those boys and young men by Jerry Sandusky and the other assholes at PSU that harbored him, but this is outrageous.
What's next? Does PSU now get additional scholarships? Does the NCAA start sending an annual check to say they are sorry?
My heart again goes out to all those affected by this travesty and may the arrogant assholes in the NCAA face a fate worse than death for now sending the message that the horrible deeds seemingly 'sanctioned' by the PSU athletic department are acceptable.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:41 PM ^
It's a proposed settlement, subject to board approval on both sides, so perhaps the thread title should be modifed.
I am one who thinks this is as close as a 'least evil' solution as is probably possible, as it gets something done immediately in terms of distributing funds to combat child sexual abuse, and avoiding drawn-out litigation process that would delay such a distribution. And a trial would produce an unknown outcome that could potentially be worse in that it could result in PSU getting even more back.
And as someone else pointed out, in the big picture the wins and losses just do not matter. PSU's reputation has taken a well-deserved hit that isn't going away, as have the reputations of JoePa and the administrators who enabled the abuse through inaction and deception. We'll always remember that. As will anyone who pays enough attention to college football as to actually give a shit as to how many games JoePa won. The stain isn't going away any time soon, no matter how hard they try in State College, PA.
January 16th, 2015 at 6:09 PM ^
This is a well thought response and although I agree with you from the fans view PSU has gained face where they deserve none.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:48 PM ^
First, the NCAA lets Penn State off a bit lighter than they probably should have thanks to "cooperation," whatever that means.
Next, the NCAA removes the bowl ban thanks to "progress", whatever that means.
And now the NCAA grants a guy who enabled a pedophile the right to have more wins in history than any other coach.
What next? Will the NCAA raise JoePa from the dead and reinstate him as head coach? In all seriousness, this is disgusting. I have a lot of friends who are Penn State alums and I've always respected the style of Penn State football, but I also believe in accoutability, and the NCAA is demonstrating the opposite of accountability here. I have a hard time believing in the NCAA's "mission" when clearly the athlete comes before the student, coaches and programs earn runaway revenues, conferences realign and force longer travel periods for "student athletes" for the sake of more TV money, and a pedophile enabler is re-glorified by the NCAA.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:44 PM ^
January 16th, 2015 at 1:45 PM ^
That would have stuck.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:49 PM ^
What are the prison sentences that are being handed out? That's what I care about. In the grand scheme of things, these wins/trophies/banners mean so very little in comparison.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:53 PM ^
I hope some kids who were seriously considering penn state will now take it off their list in a sign of protest for all the victims. No one should commit to a school that not only allows, but campaigns for these wins to be restored. Drop their recruiting class to ZERO and see if they still push for the wins to come back.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:55 PM ^
Scums! Take that....
January 16th, 2015 at 2:55 PM ^
He's just standing there taking in the scenery of a beautiful woman in nice underwear and heels chatting with his bro and ooooooffff. Again and again. I mean, it's not like he's the guy wearing the Chive shirt.
Punishment disproportionate to our crimes!
January 16th, 2015 at 1:57 PM ^
I was against the NCAA getting involved in this in the first place as I felt it was a criminal issue and not the NCAAs job. And now they can't even do what they did correctly.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:01 PM ^
So it was within their jurisdiction to hand out the punishments for a mostly criminal case but now it's not. WTF?
But why am I even surprised. they've always been making up things as they go along.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:52 PM ^
This guy makes sense. Gif's are worth a 1,000 words...atleast.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:59 PM ^
It seems they realized that it was a criminal matter and not that of an NCAA by-law. Nothing should have happened to the football program in the first place.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:00 PM ^