OT: Penn State's vacated wins returned

Submitted by mgoblue0970 on

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12179571/joe-paterno-111-wins-were-vacated-restored

I don't know about the forum but I'm absolutely disgusted by this.  Pedophile U created a culture of abuse over many years and their "punishment" has hardly been just that.  There's been zero accountability at that institution for the top down failures of leadership in the president's office, the athletic department, and the surrounding community.

You just know students will be celebrating this tonite in State College.  I'm sick and tired of that fan base's worship of JoePa and their claims that it wasn't his fault.

My heart aches for the victims who got bullshit justice in the first place -- bowl bans and vacated wins?  That were lifted early?

Penn State should have got the death penalty!

 

 

BernardC

January 16th, 2015 at 1:20 PM ^

C'mere Johnny!  Grandpa Joe has a suprise for you!  No, it's all good Jerry, we get to keep the wins.  Just keep those boys in the shower.

 

 

Geesh.  SMH NCAA.  

Never.  Ceases.  To.  Amaze.  Me.

Wolverine Devotee

January 16th, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^

The NCAA is a joke.

Hopefully when the NCAA crumbles after the power 5 conference tell them to fuck off, Michigan will reinstate the vacated basketball wins.

 

The_Mad Hatter

January 16th, 2015 at 1:55 PM ^

because I don't want to think about child rape anymore.

I was thinking about something similar on my drive into work today.  Why doesn't the Power 5 just dump the NCAA all together and form their own association?  The P5AA.  They could make their own rules, bump up the scholarship limits, and get rid of all the bullshit handed down from the NCAA since forever.

superstringer

January 16th, 2015 at 2:32 PM ^

SO...how would that change anything?  Would your P5AA have done anything different?  Did the B1G?  Would a smaller group of more powerful schools have, what, kicked out PSU?

The point is, it's like NFL owners being asked to sanction another owner.  "There but for the grace of God go I."  "Hey, if I kick this guy in the balls today... next time, when I'm in his place... uhhh, ok, no ball-kicking. Slap that wrist."  The NCAA has no power without its member institutions agreeing to go along with it, and your P5AA would be just the same thing.

NFG

January 16th, 2015 at 1:21 PM ^

I will always make that claim that if it was JoPa's grandkids getting raped in the showers, it would have been handled much differently. So with that being said, there is absolutely no need to return any glory or pride from the years in which that University and Football program withheld information about a serial pedophile being on their payroll.

Erik_in_Dayton

January 16th, 2015 at 1:24 PM ^

...but that cuts both ways.  $60 million toward preventing child abuse is much more important than wins and losses, but it's also something well beyond tacky for Penn State to push to have the wins reinstated in the first place. 

The basics of the proposed settlement are here:  http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-reaches-proposed-settlement-corman-lawsuit

 

BlueinLansing

January 16th, 2015 at 1:30 PM ^

some higher ups lost their jobs, face criminal prosecution, and someone did go to jail.  The rest was all window dressing.

 

Lets not forget PSU suffored for 2 years on the field so its not like they weren't punished, its just those that were punished had nothing to do with what happend.  So I guess we move on.

 

The NCAA is a failing organization and won't be around in its current form much longer.

MI Expat NY

January 16th, 2015 at 1:43 PM ^

That's the frustrating part.  The on the field punishment really had little to do with the problems Penn State was being punished for, whereas the Paterno related punishments were directly connected.  As it stands, only the on-field punishment will have actually taken affect.  

mgoblue0970

January 16th, 2015 at 4:14 PM ^

There are conduct bylaws... so saying that punishment was outside of the NCAA's purview is patently false. But we all know the NCAA doesn't have the stones to do what is right... - years long patten of abuse = a fine and suspended sanctions - 20 minutes of stretching or giving student athletes textbooks = get the full weight NCAA coming down on you

MGlobules

January 16th, 2015 at 1:31 PM ^

faith in truth and justice. Not. The good thing is that no one is going to see those wins without understanding what went down for a long, long time to come.

Real Tackles Wear 77

January 16th, 2015 at 1:32 PM ^

For those of you who tweet, you may want to stay off for the next few hours as quotes from the PA State Senator, former PSU players and more come out...in the absence of all tact and respect for victims they are celebrating this as some type of huge victory. They have learned absolutely nothing. I am so furious seeing the quotes coming out right now, physically ill.

Hott Karl

January 16th, 2015 at 2:30 PM ^

The whole situation is disgusting and disturbing on so many levels. No amount of NCAA penalty would ever begin to restore what was stolen from all those boys and young men by Jerry Sandusky and the other assholes at PSU that harbored him, but this is outrageous.

What's next?  Does PSU now get additional scholarships?  Does the NCAA start sending an annual check to say they are sorry?

My heart again goes out to all those affected by this travesty and may the arrogant assholes in the NCAA face a fate worse than death for now sending the message that the horrible deeds seemingly 'sanctioned' by the PSU athletic department are acceptable.

sadeto

January 16th, 2015 at 1:41 PM ^

It's a proposed settlement, subject to board approval on both sides, so perhaps the thread title should be modifed. 

I am one who thinks this is as close as a 'least evil' solution as is probably possible, as it gets something done immediately in terms of distributing funds to combat child sexual abuse, and avoiding drawn-out litigation process that would delay such a distribution. And a trial would produce an unknown outcome that could potentially be worse in that it could result in PSU getting even more back. 

And as someone else pointed out, in the big picture the wins and losses just do not matter. PSU's reputation has taken a well-deserved hit that isn't going away, as have the reputations of JoePa and the administrators who enabled the abuse through inaction and deception. We'll always remember that. As will anyone who pays enough attention to college football as to actually give a shit as to how many games JoePa won. The stain isn't going away any time soon, no matter how hard they try in State College, PA. 

 

MIMark

January 16th, 2015 at 1:48 PM ^

First, the NCAA lets Penn State off a bit lighter than they probably should have thanks to "cooperation," whatever that means.

Next, the NCAA removes the bowl ban thanks to "progress", whatever that means.

And now the NCAA grants a guy who enabled a pedophile the right to have more wins in history than any other coach.

What next?  Will the NCAA raise JoePa from the dead and reinstate him as head coach?  In all seriousness, this is disgusting.  I have a lot of friends who are Penn State alums and I've always respected the style of Penn State football, but I also believe in accoutability, and the NCAA is demonstrating the opposite of accountability here.  I have a hard time believing in the NCAA's "mission" when clearly the athlete comes before the student, coaches and programs earn runaway revenues, conferences realign and force longer travel periods for "student athletes" for the sake of more TV money, and a pedophile enabler is re-glorified by the NCAA.

mushroomX3

January 16th, 2015 at 1:49 PM ^

What are the prison sentences that are being handed out? That's what I care about. In the grand scheme of things, these wins/trophies/banners mean so very little in comparison. 

 

PrimeChronic

January 16th, 2015 at 1:53 PM ^

I hope some kids who were seriously considering penn state will now take it off their list in a sign of protest for all the victims. No one should commit to a school that not only allows, but campaigns for these wins to be restored. Drop their recruiting class to ZERO and see if they still push for the wins to come back.

Evil Empire

January 16th, 2015 at 2:55 PM ^

He's just standing there taking in the scenery of a beautiful woman in nice underwear and heels chatting with his bro and ooooooffff.  Again and again.  I mean, it's not like he's the guy wearing the Chive shirt.

Punishment disproportionate to our crimes!

Farnn

January 16th, 2015 at 1:57 PM ^

I was against the NCAA getting involved in this in the first place as I felt it was a criminal issue and not the NCAAs job.  And now they can't even do what they did correctly.