Who is Derrick Walton Jr.?
Maybe I shouldn't ask this coming off a loss, but I just love this kid's game, and I have to ask: Who is Derrick Walton Jr.? Have we ever had a point guard or a player like this?
He'll miss a shot or make a turnover, but he never seems to make a mistake. I feel supremely confident with the ball in his hands in transition, and I don't think I've ever felt this confident in a player before. He's unflappable. So my question is: Who is he? Have we had this player before?
I'm older than all of you put together, so my frame of reference goes all the way back to Henry Wilmore, whom I saw play as a kid (he was my dad's all-time favorite player). But I'm thinking back to Rickey Green, Eric Turner, Gary Grant, Rumeal Robinson ... we've had great ones, but I don't know that we've had this player before.
So, who is Derrick Walton Jr.?
November 26th, 2014 at 6:39 PM ^
Sorry, I didn't mean to say he's our greatest PG ever. He isn't. I just think he's unique, and I'm wondering if we've had somebody with this kind of game before.
November 26th, 2014 at 6:48 PM ^
Gary Grant was also my favorite growing up - he was also an excellent defender. People forget but Grant was a scoring MACHINE in his Jr and Sr years - he scored over 20 per game. His 2 pt FG% was over 50% both years - for a guard that is rare. Dude was a sick stud and is often forgotten by many. In today's era we'd have only had him for 2-3 years.
This is the difficulty in comparing players from era - Trey would be a senior this year lol. If Burke was playing in the 80s he'd have gone down as one of the best players in Big 10 history with his 4 year totals.
Look at Grant's senior year - 21.1 PPG, 53% FG%, 44% 3 PT FG%, 81% FT, 6.9 assists per game, 3.4 rebounds, and 2.4 steals. And other than assists his junior year was better in all those categories!
November 27th, 2014 at 8:52 AM ^
You are not the only oldish guy. I moved into Bursley in 1978 and graduated in 1982. There are a lot of us old guys on the board.
November 26th, 2014 at 6:32 PM ^
November 26th, 2014 at 9:27 PM ^
This whole thread looks like it was written at 3:00 AM
November 26th, 2014 at 6:41 PM ^
Pretty interesting to compare him to Monte Morris who apparently Beilein offered scholarships to both (and I believe a 3rd PG I cant recall off top of my head) and whomever said yes got the scholarship.
Now we have to account for systems and need - Walton is needed to be more of a scorer this year as the 2nd/3rd option - Morris is on a much deeper team with 4 guys in front of him averaging 12.5 pts or more(!) but from first glance Morris is much more of a distributor while Walton is more of a scoring type PG. Walton is a better shooter but considering Beilein is a master at creating good shooters I'd think Morris would shoot better for UM than he does for ISU. I would like to see Walton increase his assists per game to something closer to 5 per game. Both rebound very well for undersized PGs.
- Walton Jr 6'0 185 - 33 MPG, 13.8 PPG, 46% FG, 47% 3 PT FG, 82% FT, 5.4 Reb, 3.0 Assists
- Morris 6'2 170 - 36 MPG, 10.0 PPG, 40% FG, 42% 3 PT FG, 73% FT, 4.5 Reb, 6.5 Assists
Both are excellent 2nd year PGs and nice local products.
Here are Yogi Ferrell's 2nd year stats for comparison (his size is more like Walton Jr)
- 34 MPG, 17.3 PPG, 41% FG, 40% 3 PT FG, 82% FT, 3.0 Reb, 3.9 Assists
Yogi's stats are also why I think people just need to cool it on "he is so going pro" with a big year. If Walton was 6'4 I'd be worried but the market for 1st round draft choices is not overflowing for 6'0 guards unless you are national player of the year. Look at UConn's Napier who is a sick player and didnt leave early. What Burke did was pretty rare for a guard that size.
November 26th, 2014 at 6:37 PM ^
Personality-wise, maybe he's a 6-foot-tall Tim Duncan. I can see DW Jr. having a great NBA career, and you don't even realize he's there.
November 26th, 2014 at 6:39 PM ^
Ricky Green was an absolute terror on the court. He was lightning fast. We used to joke that he could run faster with the ball in his hands than without. When he transferred in from Vincennes JC he transformed the team and led them to the championship game. Sound familiar? He may not have been the player of the year like Trey, BUT he was the runner-up for player of the year and 1st team All-American his senior year. Pretty good I'd say!
Bentley on Ricky
November 26th, 2014 at 7:06 PM ^
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November 26th, 2014 at 7:22 PM ^
Trey will be very difficult to dethrone as one of the greatest (if not the greatest) point guards to have played for Michigan. I admit that I don't know much about Michigan basketball outside the Tommy Amaker era. Derrick is a very good player and has gotten so much better since last season, but he is definitely no Trey.
November 26th, 2014 at 7:30 PM ^
Trey took over games at times, Walton needs to start doing that. Trey could spot up for 3 or just as easily get to the line for 2.
The only thing missing on this team right now is "who is going to be the man."
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November 26th, 2014 at 7:31 PM ^
One thing I really miss about the "old days" is that we don't get to see great fourth-year point guards anymore. I wish players could take endorsements and money from boosters. It may keep a few of them in school an extra year or so if they could get a huge contract from Nike, Adidas, etc.
Think of what would have happened if Trey Burke had been given the choice of making more money as a senior with a large shoe contract or going to the NBA where he won't have as much publicity for awhile. When it comes to face time on national TV, a great college player is a better investment than a fledgling NBA player.
November 26th, 2014 at 7:34 PM ^
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November 26th, 2014 at 7:44 PM ^
some Darren Collison, some Ty Lawson
Scary in transition, money as a spot up shooter, rebounds, defends and can finish at the rim BUT his PnR playmaking isn't where it needs to be.
November 26th, 2014 at 7:46 PM ^
Walton lives up to high high recruiting rating. But he's more of a distributor vs. Burke who was more of a scorer. But otherwise, both are very similar in size and control of the game. I never have doubts when either have the ball in their hands.
November 26th, 2014 at 8:03 PM ^
Fan since 84 here, my Top 5 PGs:
1. Trey Burke - Best player at Michigan since Chris Webber
2. Gary Grant - The best numbers among Michigan PGs
3. Rumeal Robinson - Not a pure PG, but who can forget those free throws
4. Derrick Walton Jr - Will be an All-American if he continues his trajectory
5. Daniel Horton - Poster child of how talent was squandered during the Tommy Amaker error
I have never seen Rickey Green or Eric Turner play in person, so they are not counted.
November 26th, 2014 at 9:03 PM ^
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November 27th, 2014 at 4:34 PM ^
I have Jalen Rose behind Trey Burke, Rose was more of a SG/PG, while Trey was a clear cut PG
November 26th, 2014 at 9:26 PM ^
I think Mr. Rose would disagree with you. I'd have Rose 3rd on that list. Main hole in his game was 3 pt shooting which lacked compared to Grant and Burke. (and Walton)
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November 27th, 2014 at 4:34 PM ^
MANNY HARRIS! He was a SG/PG, but I loved him lol!
November 26th, 2014 at 8:46 PM ^
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November 27th, 2014 at 4:35 PM ^
I second this
November 26th, 2014 at 9:32 PM ^
You're not that old.
~ Herm
November 26th, 2014 at 11:39 PM ^
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November 26th, 2014 at 9:35 PM ^
This thread is so corny I had to throw this out.... DWJr was an all-state guard who had "dog in his game". Not the flashiest HS player, he has some great raw skills, hard work ethic and a big heart. Sort of like the players Mark D'antonio likes. Under John Beilein and staff he can get better every year and be a very solid college player. Let's wait fr the Big10 season before we annoint him anything. Right now he is far behind BUrke, let alone Gary Grant, or Rickey Green : )
But I want to know who is this Spike guy?
November 26th, 2014 at 9:44 PM ^
is just, well, dumb.
Isiah was a lottery pick (before the lottery, #2 overall) after his Sophomore season. A consensus first team all-american and was named MOP of the 1981 Final Four.
I'm sorry, Walton is good, but he is nowhere near the college player Isiah Thomas was.
November 26th, 2014 at 9:59 PM ^
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November 26th, 2014 at 10:28 PM ^
I believe Wilmore's senior year was 1972-73. Prior to that, he was a small forward and a dominant Big Ten (when there actually were 10 schools in the league...) player. Yet, for his senior season, Coach Johnny Orr moved him to guard, so as to improve his NBA draft status, as he was felt to be too small for the forward position in the NBA. His senior year wasn't so great, as I recall, and as a guard he was disappointing. His ball handling abilities were not great.
Walton is a much better guard. I hope he sticks around so I can see his continued improvement.
November 26th, 2014 at 11:18 PM ^
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November 26th, 2014 at 11:19 PM ^
Henry Wilmore might be the most unappreciated MBB player ever. Sat as a freshman, and then averaged 25.1, 23.9 and 23.6 PPG. Can you imagine if a player today had those stats? I saw him play as a little boy, and I just remember him being unstoppable.
November 27th, 2014 at 8:16 AM ^
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November 27th, 2014 at 4:27 PM ^
He makes much more mistakes then Spike, Spike is cool and calm with the ball in his hands!
November 27th, 2014 at 4:32 PM ^
Burke is a mixture of Spike and Walton